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Posted · Original PosterOP

After seeing the announcement that Logitech is re releasing one of their legendary gaming mice, I figured it should be sooner rather than later that I get myself something newer. I have a Habit Magic Eagle, which is a $12 mouse I got for sale on Amazon because I wanted green LEDs. However, a friend of mine has a really nice Logitech mouse, I believe a G502, and when I use it, I really feel like there isn't much difference. I don't prefer heavier or lighter, and I play shooters like Overwatch so I feel like I'd be able to tell the difference if there is one.

 

Does it take time to really appreciate a good mouse? I've definitely grown up with crappy mice so I've not had an extended period of time using one of good quality.


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I guess responsiveness and providing the DPI that you want to have it in. As long as it doesn't loose tracking when you throw it against the desk, I think a mouse is doing it's job.

 

Other features, such as additional buttons, Logitech's infinity-scroll-thing, and DPI shifters are nice to have IMO, but aren't necessary.


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Just now, MrFixitBlankFace said:

Its about how it glides throughout the mousepad.

Do some mice resist picking up hairs and stuff on the feet and bottom? My only complaint about my mouse is that I get hairs I roll over and it feels super annoying.

 

2 minutes ago, MrFixitBlankFace said:

And it also is not supposed to feel like a rock.

I dunno, some people really like heavy mice (and I'm not opposed, even though my current mouse is light). Unless you mean functionally then yeah, i don't want a rock.


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A good mouse is kind of subjective in my opinion.

 

I've had a few mice that I found to be really good, but my brother really hated them.

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"good mouse" is highly subjective. While to you a G502 and your $12 mouse might not seem different, to someone else there could be a world of differences.

I despise Corsair, yet I still run my Scimitar Pro because its the best mouse I've ever seen/used. I like the look of Steel Series, most of my friends have Rival mice, but I would never buy one; they are too slow and heavy for my tastes (and I have grown too used to excessive amounts of side buttons, lmfao). The surface you use and the grip you prefer can also make a difference in how a mouse feels.


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2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

 

I dunno, some people really like heavy mice (and I'm not opposed, even though my current mouse is light). Unless you mean functionally then yeah, i don't want a rock.

I once put a mode on Windows that makes the cursor move slower which makes the mouse feel heavier.

I guess I'm not one of those people.

I hate heavy mice.


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For me I went from pretty mediocre mice (stuff like the IntelliMouse 2.0 and stuff you'd get with Dell/HP prebuilts) to the M40 (and later M65), and while at first I didn't really notice a whole hell of a lot, going back to them sure makes me cry a bit. Between lackluster DPI, lack of secondary buttons, and just bleh ergonomics, I really don't wanna go back to them for anything other than my XP rig.


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4 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

good mouse" is highly subjective. While to you a G502 and your $12 mouse might not seem different, to someone else there could be a world of differences.

 

6 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

A good mouse is kind of subjective in my opinion.

Well, I feel like since it's a somewhat subtle difference that I'm not sensitive to it yet. When. I upgraded from 60 to 75Hz, it didn't make any visual difference but the 25% increase in frames does a lot for reaction time. Since the difference is subconscious, I wonder if getting a mouse with at least a quality sensor and better buttons (because let's face it those would be objective improvements over my current mouse) would just overall improve the experience. My friend also has a 144Hz 1440p monitor which lends a lot more to game feel Improvements so it's not the mouse alone that I'm testing.


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1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

Well, I feel like since it's a somewhat subtle difference that I'm not sensitive to it yet. When. I upgraded from 60 to 75Hz, it didn't make any visual difference but the 25% increase in frames does a lot for reaction time. Since the difference is subconscious, I wonder if getting a mouse with at least a quality sensor and better buttons (because let's face it those would be objective improvements over my current mouse) would just overall improve the experience. My friend also has a 144Hz 1440p monitor which lends a lot more to game feel Improvements so it's not the mouse alone that I'm testing.

Everything is about compromise. Its nigh impossible to find something that perfectly fits all of your needs and expectations. Everyone is constantly having to balance the things they want, don't want, and what they need. Its hard to say what one specific, and minor, part change would do to your experience; its all up to the individual, especially in refresh rate and peripherals.


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3 minutes ago, Eastman51 said:

Everything is about compromise. Its nigh impossible to find something that perfectly fits all of your needs and expectations. Everyone is constantly having to balance the things they want, don't want, and what they need. Its hard to say what one specific, and minor, part change would do to your experience; its all up to the individual, especially in refresh rate and peripherals.

Well I'm not really making any compromises now, I've just cheaped out due to apathy. If a more expensive mouse is a good investment then I'm certainly happy to make it.


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the biggest difference is going from a mid price mouse to a nice mouse IMO because often times those mid price mice are shitstains compared to cheap mice. second best mouse i have ever had was €12 and the best is my G502. €12 mouse had very little wander, nice software and good build while all the €40 or so mice i have tried are a cheap piece of shitty plastic and a sensor that wanders like crazy. The main upgrade is in that the mouse sensor dosnt wander, the liftoff distance isnt enormous, no sensor acceleration and how easy it is to grip and lift the mouse, at the local gaming center that just opened they have Ailienware mice that have decent sensors but they have soft touch rubber on the sides so its almost impossible to grip them, the harder you pinch them, the faster they slide out of your hand. 10/10 design lol


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Yeah its very subjective.

For me a good mouse feels good in my small hand, have enough weight, a good tactile click and sturdy materials.

I never bought mouse online, unless i get try it in stores first.

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1 minute ago, fasauceome said:

Well I'm not really making any compromises now, I've just cheaped out due to apathy. If a more expensive mouse is a good investment then I'm certainly happy to make it.

In theory it is a good investment because the more expensive mouse will have superior hardware. But when it comes to peripherals, hardware specs don't matter as much (at least I see it that way); you could be good at a game on a crappy Dell mouse and I could be worse than you with a mouse that cost 4x as much. Its all in the individual


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5 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

often times those mid price mice are shitstains compared to cheap mice

So where do you believe the MX518 falls? Its announcement in Tech News is what made me consider a good mouse in the first place. I've had the Razer deathadder in the back of my mind because it's cheap and fits my color scheme, but curious how something like that would compare.


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2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

So where do you believe the MX518 falls? Its announcement in Tech News is what made me consider a good mouse in the first place. I've had the Razer deathadder in the back of my mind because it's cheap and fits my color scheme, but curious how something like that would compare.

Have a friend thats gone through two or three deathadders in the last two years, they dont last long. The logitech thing that was announced is probably decent, its gotten a lot of love before so its probably pretty nice


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15 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

Well I'm not really making any compromises now, I've just cheaped out due to apathy. If a more expensive mouse is a good investment then I'm certainly happy to make it.

Having a good sensor is generally recommended.

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1.It must be comfortable for your hand, You can get the best gaming mouse on the market but if it doesn't suit your hand then it will be uncomfortable to use and just going to sucks

2.It must have features (that you need) 

3.It must have a good sensor that is good enough (for your needs)

 

The sensor on gaming mice nowadays are already super overkill especially from reputable gaming companies such as logitech,razer,etc so dont bother with it and just prioritize more on shape and features.

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On 2/15/2019 at 1:08 AM, fasauceome said:

Does it take time to really appreciate a good mouse?

No, a good mouse is a good mouse and you will immediately know once you pick it up and use it for a bit.

 


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On 2/15/2019 at 1:52 AM, fasauceome said:

So where do you believe the MX518 falls? I've had the Razer deathadder in the back of my mind because it's cheap and fits my color scheme, but curious how something like that would compare.

That is a gaming mouse from 2004 its pretty outdated and its not should be compared against the deathadder although MX518 is a legend.

On 2/15/2019 at 1:56 AM, Bananasplit_00 said:

Have a friend thats gone through two or three deathadders in the last two years, they dont last long.

Earliest deathadder has QC issues because they use kailh switches but the chroma and the elite is fine now they use omron just like logitech


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It's subjective. But for me the absolute most important factor is how it glides across a mouse pad.  #2 is weight, #3 is sensor and ergonomics tied.

 

That said, these days there is little differentiation glide between mice, so I mostly focus on weight being as low as possible weight also as a small impact on glide. I wouldn't even consider something over 90g. I currently have a Zowie FK2 and I'm looking to the final mouse in the future.

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2 hours ago, Hiya! said:

No, a good mouse is a good mouse and you will immediately know once you pick it up and use it for a bit.

So then, my time with the G502 would have me believe that I can't really feel the difference.


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26 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

So then, my time with the G502 would have me believe that I can't really feel the difference.

Maybe? i don't know, G502 body itself isn't that great tbh even Zy said so.

Its just has a lot of features and nice button (feel and placement) also combined with infinite scroll wheel,custom weight and a great sensor.

Its a good all around gaming mouse.

 

But again, I don't really know what kind of differences you expect from high end gaming mouse so...

 

 


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[LOGITECH G402 REVIEW]

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When I 1st time got my much better mouse than the previous cheap unknown brand, from 1000 dpi moved to 8500 dpi, the first thing I can spot is the smoothness of the cursor movement of higher dpi one, the higher dpi will track every pixel on the monitor, while lower dpi will perform like there's skipped pixel on the monitor. This is important when you want a really precise aim.


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As others have said, pretty subjective.

 

To me, my GSkill Ripjaws MX-780 is a really friggin good mouse, since It is a left handed configurable gaming mouse, really light, has extra buttons in really useful places, and tracks perfectly.


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