Windows 10 November update (th2). A service was renamed.

[Yongtjunkit]

To all users who had updated to the November update, please take note that Microsoft had make privacy issue worse.




Quote from the source :

It turns out Microsoft had just been very sneaky. What Tweakhound discovered and was subsequently confirmed by BetaNews, is Microsoft simply renamed DiagTrack. It is now called the ‘Connected User Experiences and Telemetry Service’ – which is both a) deliberately vague, and B) misleading (don’t ‘Connected User Experiences’ sound great).



Even sneakier is, in being renamed, Microsoft also reset users preferences. Those who dug deep into the Windows 10 registry to disable DiagTrack will find it has been re-enabled now it is called the Connected User Experiences and Telemetry Service. Yes, tracking is back and without any warning and your preferences were irrelevant.

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In my opinion this is bad news for all window 10 build 1511 users and I think that Microsoft should actually stop that.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/24/windows-10-automatic-spying-begins-again/

This is my first post in tech news and was posted using tapatalk. Thanks to a user who helped me renaming the post. 

Edited December 2, 2015 by Yongtjunkit

[Dietrichw]

The settings being reset was a bug and has been fixed. Look at the post by Goodbytes before this. The new name is more descriptive than the old one

[Dabombinable]

Microsoft can still go suck a big one. 1 month of using Windows 10 and there were too many detractors, with the only positive thing about it being its ability to better handle multiple displays.

[themctipers]

and im still on windows 8.. not 8.1 dont be silly. 8.....

 

#WinSucks8Race

[Yongtjunkit]

The settings being reset was a bug and has been fixed. Look at the post by Goodbytes before this. The new name is more descriptive than the old one

It's different, this tread is about Microsoft automatic privacy issue gets worse while goodbytes is about the build 1511(November update) is back up on media creation tool

[Thony]

Repost ?

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/491703-windows-10-threshold-2-november-update-is-back-up-removed-due-not-keeping-privacy-settings/

 

[GoodBytes]

How is this miss leading?

If anything "DiagTrack" is miss leading. As it doesn't explain anything. The new name is FAR more descriptive. Sorry to hear that you don't like that a TITLE is not a novel long to explain everything.

Oh noes, a service name was renamed!!!! It can't be trusted. It MUST be more spying! YES!!! NSA spying! I knew it all along! Trying to confuse people with complicated words like "telemetry" and "Tracking" and "user experience"... HA! Microsoft tricks will not get me! Windows XP + Chrome + Andoird/iOS allll the way.... wait.

[Yongtjunkit]

Repost ?

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/491703-windows-10-threshold-2-november-update-is-back-up-removed-due-not-keeping-privacy-settings/

How is it a repost?

I meant this article http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/24/windows-10-automatic-spying-begins-again/

[LAwLz]

The settings being reset was a bug and has been fixed. Look at the post by Goodbytes before this. The new name is more descriptive than the old one

Ah yes, it was a "bug". Totally didn't mean for that to happen *wink wink*. It is weird how Microsoft have had so many "bugs" related to updates recently, isn't it? If they aren't doing it on purpose then they must be very incompetent. I mean, considering how much crap they are getting over privacy you would think that they would be extra careful doing any changes that could be perceived as negative. And yet we see it happening over, and over and over, and whenever it happens the Microsoft Defense Force jumps to their rescue, calling it "bugs" and whatnot.

 

I would not be surprised if Microsoft changes even more data-harvesting related things in the next update.

[suicidalfranco]

it was a bug... a bug... bug... bug.

 

http://darkpatterns.org/

[GoodBytes]

Ah yes, it was a "bug". Totally didn't mean for that to happen *wink wink*. It is weird how Microsoft have had so many "bugs" related to updates recently, isn't it? If they aren't doing it on purpose then they must be very incompetent. I mean, considering how much crap they are getting over privacy you would think that they would be extra careful doing any changes that could be perceived as negative. And yet we see it happening over, and over and over, and whenever it happens the Microsoft Defense Force jumps to their rescue, calling it "bugs" and whatnot.

 

I would not be surprised if Microsoft changes even more data-harvesting related things in the next update.

If it was not a genuine bug, I don't think they would pull it. I think the perfect proof that it was a bug, is that if you read the ars article they do says scenarios where the privacy settings don't change. Also, on my side, my Surface Pro 2 carried the settings, BUT, my desktop... only some, while others on this forum, saw all if them not being carried over.

What I wish they do instead it add the ability to hide driver update, and the possibility to block all auto-update of drivers. But that is a different topic. The tool Microsoft provide doesn't show all the drivers to hide.

[Nowak]

If it was not a genuine bug, I don't think they would pull it. I think the perfect proof that it was a bug, is that if you read the ars article they do says scenarios where the privacy settings don't change. Also, on my side, my Surface Pro 2 carried the settings, BUT, my desktop... only some, while others on this forum, saw all if them not being carried over.

I have to agree here. If it wasn't a legitimate bug, they wouldn't have pulled the update to fix it.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

Apple calls their bugs "features". Microsoft calls their features "bugs".

Go figure ...

 

:lol:

[iwasaperson]

Oh noes, a service name was renamed!!!! It can't be trusted. It MUST be more spying! YES!!! NSA spying! I knew it all along! Trying to confuse people with complicated words like "telemetry" and "Tracking" and "user experience"... HA! Microsoft tricks will not get me! Windows XP + Chrome + Andoird/iOS allll the way.... wait.

"Proprietary software is spying on me, so let's use more proprietary software where nobody can examine it... from Google/Microsoft/Apple no less."

Flawless logic.

Anyone who thinks Microsoft isn't sending Windows 10 telemetry data to the NSA is crazy. Not like they haven't collaborated with the NSA in the past: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

At least Apple is pretending to care about privacy. But again, the source code cannot be publicly audited.

[FakezZ]

"Proprietary software is spying on me, so let's use more proprietary software where nobody can examine it... from Google/Microsoft/Apple no less."

Flawless logic.

Anyone who thinks Microsoft isn't sending Windows 10 telemetry data to the NSA is crazy. Not like they haven't collaborated with the NSA in the past: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

At least Apple is pretending to care about privacy. But again, the source code cannot be publicly audited.

Only the GUI stuff of OS X is proprietary. The rest is open source iirc.

[GoodBytes]

Only the GUI stuff of OS X is proprietary. The rest is open source iirc.

Telemetry data collecting and all that is at the 'GUI stuff' level.

I'll be surprised if Apple doesn't collect them. Windows XP and up collected them, many large web sites you visit do as well. They know where you click, where you hove the mouse, how long you stay on a specific page, on and all that.

What people don't understand is that telemetry data collecting is a way to make a survey to better improve a product or service. And this is nothing new. When you go shop at a big store, they use the security cameras to beside monitoring for security purposes, also for telemetry data collecting. It analyses people to know which section of the store you have been standing around (to know which product you are interested), and see what other product you get to, and build relationship. That is why in many stores, they move stock around every now and then. Same at restaurants. They are hidden cameras, that monitor select tables as sample to know what the table order, how much you stay, measure the service quality, measure how much you eat the food, etc. Even fast food restaurants, sometimes they send people discussed as customers, who monitors how people stay in line, how much time they decide what to order, etc, and makes report.

[Misanthrope]

The settings being reset was a bug and has been fixed. Look at the post by Goodbytes before this. The new name is more descriptive than the old one

 

Correction: Microsoft says it was just an error and was fixed. Nobody knows if it was an honest mistake. There's more than enough reasons not to take em at face value, ever in fact but even more so recently.

[GoodBytes]

Correction: Microsoft says it was just an error and was fixed. Nobody knows if it was an honest mistake. There's more than enough reasons not to take em at face value, ever in fact but even more so recently.

Please read post #11.

[LAwLz]

Windows XP and up collected them, many large web sites you visit do as well.

[Citation Needed]

If you are referring to CEIP then it was opt-in and could be disabled whenever you wanted. There is a huge difference between opt-in and "can not be turned off even when the user disables settings which they will believe will turn it off. Also, let's reset their settings after an update and then rename and do other changes to make it harder for them to forcefully disable it.".

If you are referring to the CEIP then you are being very misleading in your word choice, and I would not be surprised if you are doing this on purpose.

[Misanthrope]

Please read post #11.

 

I did, you offer no technical reasons only rethorical ones about why they did or didn't do it like that. At the very least they seem to be very highly incompetent with so many "mistakes". I ironically enough give them more credit and think this is still being actively debated within MS as to just how far they should push for this telemetry data which coincidentally means it's not as trivial as you make it out to be in this scenario.

Whatever the case might be we're both speculating as to the reasons why, nobody but MS employees under heavy NDAs know if this are honest mistakes or not. I choose not to trust them.

[suicidalfranco]

Telemetry data collecting and all that is at the 'GUI stuff' level.

I'll be surprised if Apple doesn't collect them. Windows XP and up collected them, many large web sites you visit do as well. They know where you click, where you hove the mouse, how long you stay on a specific page, on and all that.

What people don't understand is that telemetry data collecting is a way to make a survey to better improve a product or service. And this is nothing new. When you go shop at a big store, they use the security cameras to beside monitoring for security purposes, also for telemetry data collecting. It analyses people to know which section of the store you have been standing around (to know which product you are interested), and see what other product you get to, and build relationship. That is why in many stores, they move stock around every now and then. Same at restaurants. They are hidden cameras, that monitor select tables as sample to know what the table order, how much you stay, measure the service quality, measure how much you eat the food, etc. Even fast food restaurants, sometimes they send people discussed as customers, who monitors how people stay in line, how much time they decide what to order, etc, and makes report.

it's opt-in in os x...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202031

[GoodBytes]

I did, you offer no technical reasons only rethorical ones about why they did or didn't do it like that. At the very least they seem to be very highly incompetent with so many "mistakes". I ironically enough give them more credit and think this is still being actively debated within MS as to just how far they should push for this telemetry data which coincidentally means it's not as trivial as you make it out to be in this scenario.

Whatever the case might be we're both speculating as to the reasons why, nobody but MS employees under heavy NDAs know if this are honest mistakes or not. I choose not to trust them.

And you are only making heavy silly conspiratorial claims.

Incompetence? Yes and no. It is a question of adapting. For the longest time, Microsoft developers are told: code, don't really test. The Software Developers in Test will test. The waterfall design pattern is followed. Now, there are no more soft. dev. in test. So the software developers now needs to test properly their code. Sadly, this is one of those: Easier said then done. It is a skill to develop in thinking about all the corner cases, and how develop tests to properly test code.

[GoodBytes]

it's opt-in in os x...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202031

That is to send a report. Windows has that since the longest time.

Telemetry data collecting is not crash report submission

[Misanthrope]

And you are only making heavy silly conspiratorial claims.

 

I already said I am also speculating so do not continue to characterize them as "claims" If they were never that. 

 

Edit (Addressing your edit on no QA team): That scenario is also likely and as valid as the one I brought up. Both since they're actually not mutually exclusive scenarios (Meaning devs could be both making mistakes and being directed to push hard for telemetry stuff) I think it's better to agree to disagree here.

[GoodBytes]

I already said I am also speculating so do not continue to characterize them as "claims" If they were never that. As to whenever they're silly or not you're the one using adjectives and not arguments to discredit dissenting opinions, that's more silly to me but to each his own.

Sorry, I hit the submit button by accident when I was typing, please re-read my post