LTT Official Folding Month 2018!!!

[porina]

29 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

In home co-generation is a thing, Heat and power, But they are often expensive as you need something high efficiency, such as a gas or steam turbine system. I think adding these to tesla powerwall type devices could help though. My friend has a DIY powerwall that buys at night and uses during the day, this along with his solar panels has made him basically have no power bill. He's got a tariff that means he can sell in the day for almost the same price he buys at night. 

I guess there are two parts to the problem that make it not a consideration for most people. As you mentioned the cost of such a system is going to be expensive, so to gain value from it, it will take scaling. In a similar way I hadn't gone solar at home as my roof area is on the small side. I wouldn't generate that much, pushing the break even time out. Also, these systems are not exactly portable, so you're going to have to know you will stay in the same house for a long time to gain the value from it. I can't say that with certainty for my current house.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, porina said:

I guess there are two parts to the problem that make it not a consideration for most people. As you mentioned the cost of such a system is going to be expensive, so to gain value from it, it will take scaling. In a similar way I hadn't gone solar at home as my roof area is on the small side. I wouldn't generate that much, pushing the break even time out. Also, these systems are not exactly portable, so you're going to have to know you will stay in the same house for a long time to gain the value from it. I can't say that with certainty for my current house.

The other issues comes in when you dont need the heat the efficiency tanks... So in nordic countries its great, in the UK not as much so. 

[skunkmunkey]

Slightly off the topic but was just having a Google of the UK power supply and found this;

https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-uk-generates-its-electricity

Quite an interesting breakdown of where and how the UK gets it's power although it is a few years out of date

[jiyeon]

2 hours ago, skunkmunkey said:

If it's any help, I'm running a gaming rig, media server and Surface Pro (plugged into the mains constantly) at full whack and the tracking on my smart meter shows that my electric bill has gone up by about £4 a week. I'd think if you're running a single high-spec PC even at full power 24/7 it would probably only add about £2.50 a week to your bill. Maybe speak to them and explain that it's for a good cause and not going to cost them more than about £10 a month. Obviously if they're paying the bill and don't approve then best to go with their decision and not do it sneakily behind their backs but they might be fine with it

My parents are fine with me doing whatever I please in the house, I even offered to pay £10 a month towards the house bill but they said I should keep it for my own future.

Still, the thought of the bill being increased because of me is quite daunting, even if it is no more than £10 a month extra.

[skunkmunkey]

3 minutes ago, seoz said:

My parents are fine with me doing whatever I please in the house, I even offered to pay £10 a month towards the house bill but they said I should keep it for my own future.

Still, the thought of the bill being increased because of me is quite daunting, even if it is no more than £10 a month extra.

I'd say if you've told them and they're fine with it then you're good to go. If they get an unexpectedly high bill at the end of the month then you can always dial it back and offer to pay them back for a little while.

 

In the grand scheme of things if it costs them a tenner but they can see you're doing it for a good reason and learning new things at the same time then it's money well spent for them

[justpoet]

I haven't calculated out the bill, but going from non-folding to folding on half my Xeon cores on one machine adds just over 200w to the active draw coming through my UPS for that machine.  Doing the same number of threads on my high core laptop is only about a 15w difference from normal.  So, I don't think there's an easy "this will take this much power" kind of reference unless you have literally the exact same hardware.

[Cereal5]

I'm probably pulling close to like 800W from one outlet..... Oops lol. Two 1080 Tis, a 1080, and a 750 Ti (another 1080 soon to replace the 750 Ti). Add in the CPUs and allthe extra stuff, and it's definitely up there.

[skunkmunkey]

1 minute ago, justpoet said:

I haven't calculated out the bill, but going from non-folding to folding on half my Xeon cores on one machine adds just over 200w to the active draw coming through my UPS for that machine.  Doing the same number of threads on my high core laptop is only about a 15w difference from normal.  So, I don't think there's an easy "this will take this much power" kind of reference unless you have literally the exact same hardware.

Everyone's equipment will be slightly different but in the example above I can see he's running the same CPU as me and a 1060 as opposed to my 1070 so we're going to be similar and enough to give him a rough idea. My overclock on the cpu is a little higher so I will probably use a little more but I think it's good enough for a rough guide. 

[Spotty]

I've been measuring power at the wall. 103KW/h for the last 13.5 days. The only thing I've had going for me is it's been 2 weeks of nice sunny days, so hopefully the solar is providing most of that.

[GOTSpectrum]

51 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

I'm probably pulling close to like 800W from one outlet..... Oops lol. Two 1080 Tis, a 1080, and a 750 Ti (another 1080 soon to replace the 750 Ti). Add in the CPUs and allthe extra stuff, and it's definitely up there.

I'm pulling 1450watts from one socket.... Three systems, two monitors, speakers and audio kit with a network switch and other bits and bobs.

[Cereal5]

1 minute ago, Ben Quigley said:

I'm pulling 1450watts from one socket.... Three systems, two monitors, speakers and audio kit with a network switch and other bits and bobs.

Oh yeah, forgot about that stuff. I got all that extra crap too lol. So probably more.

 

You got all them systems and only 1.8 mil PPD

[GOTSpectrum]

I really want a 2080/2080ti butt... Yeah....

 

 

[iHardware Shelden]

I don’t think I want to know what im pulling from the wall....

[Dissitesuxba11s]

41 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

I really want a 2080/2080ti butt... Yeah....

Honestly, my only incentive to even consider any of the 20-series cards is to use it for Folding as I don't play games anymore.

 

Got to see that ray traced protein folding simulation  /s

[TVwazhere]

47 minutes ago, Ben Quigley said:

I really want a 2080/2080ti butt... Yeah....

I'd say that the 2080ti is somewhat better priced than RX580's were in June 2017-... What, May 2018? Sure $1300 is a lot, possibly double what it should be worth but I mean RX580's were 4x their MSRP

[Cereal5]

Just now, Dissitesuxba11s said:

Honestly, my only incentive to even consider any of the 20-series cards is to use it for Folding as I don't play games anymore.

 

Got to see that ray traced protein folding simulation  /s

Same, and I don't want my house burning down while I'm at work because my 2080 Ti caught fire. So I'll stick to pascal, thank you.

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

Honestly, my only incentive to even consider any of the 20-series cards is to use it for Folding as I don't play games anymore.

 

Got to see that ray traced protein folding simulation  /s

I only want it for FaH too.

Just now, TVwazhere said:

I'd say that the 2080ti is somewhat better priced than RX580's were in June 2017-... What, May 2018? Sure $1300 is a lot, possibly double what it should be worth but I mean RX580's were 4x their MSRP

 

I guess.... 

[Dissitesuxba11s]

3 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

Same, and I don't want my house burning down while I'm at work because my 2080 Ti caught fire. So I'll stick to pascal, thank you.

I really hope they flesh that part out. At over 2mil PPD on a single 2080Ti, it's a really good card for folding if you can get some sort of a deal for it.

[Cereal5]

Just now, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I really hope they flesh that part out. At over 2mil PPD on a single 2080Ti, it's a really good card for folding if you can get some sort of a deal for it.

I wonder if at that point it needs a full 16x lane or not. Cause isn't it a 1080 that starts to reach an 8x slot max throughput? Or am I making that up.

[Guest]

 

Just when I was getting somewhere we get another 8Mil+ guy.... (which is an excellent thing)

 

[shp]

Meh, something is borked on my main rig. FAH Control won't pause folding, have to kill the processes and all games have started crashing, might go for a windows re-install =E

[Gorgon]

3 hours ago, seoz said:

My parents are fine with me doing whatever I please in the house, I even offered to pay £10 a month towards the house bill but they said I should keep it for my own future.

Still, the thought of the bill being increased because of me is quite daunting, even if it is no more than £10 a month extra.

Once the Folding Month is over give your CPU and GPU a break and try this. I discovered while playing with a 1060 6GB that at the absolute lowest power limit the 1060 is the most efficient in terms of PPD/W.

 

In essence, a 40% decrease in Power Limit from 130W to 60W typically results in only a 15% decrease in PPD. So if you want to keep folding but want to do so in a more power friendly fashion you can crank your Power Limit down. You will still have the overhead from the main board and power supply losses to deal with but these should also be reduced slightly.

 

This all stems from the efficiency curve on Pascal being non linear. To get better performance you have to add increasingly larger amounts of power.

 

Here in Ontario we have residential time of use rates with the electricity being least expensive from 8pm to 8am, slightly more expensive early in the morning and evening and most expensive during the day.

 

These can be offset by using Windows task scheduler to reconfigure the GPU to use lower power limits during the day and higher at night.

[Gorgon]

47 minutes ago, King Poet said:

 

Just when I was getting somewhere we get another 8Mil+ guy.... (which is an excellent thing)

 

He’s been climbing up in PPD production but does not appear to be participating in the Folding Month Contest

[Gorgon]

5 hours ago, porina said:Electricity costs can be worked out. With very vague assumptions, I'd guess the system in @seoz sig with a 1060 3GB is using 150W continuously

Both my 1060 6GB draw an average of 127W so I’d expect the 3 GB version with fewer CUDA cores to be 115-120W. Though the power limit on my cards can be set to 140W in practice they max out between 125 and 130 using synthetic benchmarks and though at this point you could push them further, further increases in the Graphics Clock offset at this point lead to instability.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

He’s been climbing up in PPD production but does not appear to be participating in the Folding Month Contest