Why does the 2080 suck more than 1080 TI ?

[Luko2_0]

17 minutes ago, jones177 said:

In tests that I have seen, testers that use 1080 ti reference cards the 2080 wins more. The testers using partner cards the 2080 wins less.

 

I have EVGA SC2 1080 tis. That is what GamersNexus used for testing against the 2080.  My card would own any founders card that is not overclocked.

 

The parner 2080s will do a lot better.   

Thats a point many people forget in my opinion. You cant compare a boardparter 1080TI with a founders edition 2080 or TI. 

[Tellos]

@Luko2_0 youcan I have seen GN do it but not to say they are one to one but to say "this is what most likely the majority of those using air cooled 1080Ti's have."

[zindan]

25 minutes ago, Tellos said:

This jsut shitting on a new set of graphics cards doesn't tell us you want help. it says you wanna cry and whine and jump up and down. Another useful tid bit what games/kind of games do you play?

 

30 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Well if this thread was your way of asking for help to choose a graphics card, I have got to say you've gone about it in the wrong way.

 

If you would like help choosing a graphics card, provide the specs of the rest of your system, along with what monitor you will be using, what resolution/refresh rate you are hoping to achieve and whether or not it has Freesync/Gsync. Also specify your budget for the graphics card.

BASICLY max all games at 165fps minimum at high/ultra. 1080 ti can't handle this to well. 

I wanna mod the shit out of skyrim

I wanna play the new age of empires IV at 165hz at high/ultra graphics ( Might be hard to look in to the future but ye)

Fortnite high/epic at minimum 165fps 

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[Spotty]

25 minutes ago, zindan said:

BASICLY max all games at 165fps minimum at high/ultra. 1080 ti can't handle this to well. 

You didn't include a budget, so until otherwise stated I'm going to assume you don't have one. Go with either a single RTX 2080ti or 2x GTX 1080ti SLI.

 

25 minutes ago, zindan said:

Display(s)

Acer Predator Xb271HU G-sync IPS 165hz

Does it really even matter that much if you are only getting 120-130FPS in games if you have a Gsync capable monitor? I have the same monitor and it does a pretty good job of smoothing out any FPS drops. 

 

Compare the cost of a single used 1080ti vs a RTX 2080ti or 2x1080ti SLI set up and consider if the difference between 130FPS and 165FPS is worth the extra cost.

 

35 minutes ago, zindan said:

RAM

Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 8GB (2x4GB) / 2666MHz / DDR4

I'd also recommend upgrading your RAM to 16GB.

[Varusal]

8 hours ago, TechyBen said:

2080 is the [Almost] Poor Mans Ray Tracer?

Yes right now because the RTX 2070 isn't available yet.

 

7 hours ago, zindan said:

BASICLY max all games at 165fps minimum at high/ultra. 1080 ti can't handle this to well. 

Not even the RTX 2080 Ti can handle "all games" at max settings under 1440p with minimum 165fps.

As an example you could watch this video: 

 

[zindan]

2 hours ago, Spotty said:

You didn't include a budget, so until otherwise stated I'm going to assume you don't have one. Go with either a single RTX 2080ti or 2x GTX 1080ti SLI.

 

Does it really even matter that much if you are only getting 120-130FPS in games if you have a Gsync capable monitor? I have the same monitor and it does a pretty good job of smoothing out any FPS drops. 

 

Compare the cost of a single used 1080ti vs a RTX 2080ti or 2x1080ti SLI set up and consider if the difference between 130FPS and 165FPS is worth the extra cost.

 

I'd also recommend upgrading your RAM to 16GB.

Nahh fuk ram... Don't need it. Useless. 8gb is fine for me thank you.

Hmm, 1080 TI sli is super buggy and messy I have heard. And also they don't perform to well in most games. So wouldn't a single 2080 ti be better? 

If I get a 2080 TI I expect it to be performing great for atleast 5-10 more years. it will right ? 

[Varusal]

2 hours ago, zindan said:

Nahh fuk ram... Don't need it. Useless. 8gb is fine for me thank you.

Hmm, 1080 TI sli is super buggy and messy I have heard. And also they don't perform to well in most games. So wouldn't a single 2080 ti be better? 

If I get a 2080 TI I expect it to be performing great for atleast 5-10 more years. it will right ? 

If you want to play on 1440p max settings you should consider to upgrade your RAM. If not windows will make the pagesys file way bigger and that can cause some lags in games.

[zindan]

1 hour ago, SirMorokei said:

If you want to play on 1440p max settings you should consider to upgrade your RAM. If not windows will make the pagesys file way bigger and that can cause some lags in games.

My memory usage is like 50-60% when gaming. I'l get it later sometime. The goal now is to wait for the 2080 TI to lower in price. 

[xg32]

10 hours ago, zindan said:

It's like an average of 1-4% faster.... I swear with those statistics we can easily say that the 1080 ti is a better bet 20000000 times in the week. 

Alright, fuck this. I sold my 1080 ti strix OC 6-9 months ago just so I could get the new version but fuck that. I am getting the following card. 
1080 TI EVGA

i think the 1080 ti max oc is faster than the 2080 max oc. At worst it's even. Stock yes the 2080 is a bit faster.

[RejZoR]

Performance wise, RTX 2080 is positioned correctly. Usually current year high end is as fast as last year top of the line one. What isn't positioned correctly is the price.

[IronMidHeaven]

RTX is superior in every way. Just got to wait for it's feature set to be fully used.

[Majinhoju]

1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Performance wise, RTX 2080 is positioned correctly. Usually current year high end is as fast as last year top of the line one. What isn't positioned correctly is the price.

^ This

 

Performance is roughly where I expected to these new cards to be.  Price, however...  Let's just say AMD needs to finally bring out some competition for the high end market to drive these prices down.   

[Tristerin]

NVIDIA didn't need to release anything better.  The Market isn't demanding it, not from buyers or competition.

 

Until then, NVIDIA doesn't need to change their business model of barely eeking out previous generation GPU's, why give them the dog and pony show when all they (consumers) come to want and expect is the dog.

 

AMD releases a dog and pony show, well hell you know NVIDIA will release the dog and pony show and they will put the cart in front AND behind the pony then, to always stay on top.

[dtaflorida]

With all the rumors flying around prior to 20 release about excess inventory, and the hilarious "No new cards coming for a long time!" like a month or two before releasing the new cards, and then statements to vendors that they weren't going to cannibalize sales of of their 10 series inventory... it all reeks of pricing appropriately to drive up demand for the older cards to clear out the old inventory.   

 

They're right, they do have complete control over the consumers just as they said to their board.

 

Used to be new cards would replace the previous gen's teir/price points, so this way out of line pricing in an anomaly. Wait it out, send them a message. 

[pas008]

dont forget dlss and better nvenc on new cards

[RejZoR]

DLSS exists in exactly ZERO games as things stand now. So, you're buying a graphic card on nothing but promises. Frankly, they could give DLSS to users as a generic upscaler (basically a reversed DSR) and allow us to move around few sliders to achieve good upscale results in ALL games, not just few they decide to "deep learn". All that Ai and deep learning mumbo jumbo is frankly just a marketing BS.

[ShoshinUK]

On 9/23/2018 at 11:53 AM, zindan said:

RAM

Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 8GB (2x4GB) / 2666MHz / DDR4

a solid upgrade is to go to at least 16GB RAM (2x8GB) and ideally faster stuff, otherwise you wont hold high FPS in some titles.

[pas008]

6 hours ago, RejZoR said:

DLSS exists in exactly ZERO games as things stand now. So, you're buying a graphic card on nothing but promises. Frankly, they could give DLSS to users as a generic upscaler (basically a reversed DSR) and allow us to move around few sliders to achieve good upscale results in ALL games, not just few they decide to "deep learn". All that Ai and deep learning mumbo jumbo is frankly just a marketing BS.

plz give a source on this plz do

 

or is this just random shit talk?

 

and fyi many techs/codecs/etc came out first without things actually supporting it

takes awhile just like anything

[RejZoR]

One has to be really ignorant to believe some magic Ai just waves non existent pixels on screen out of nothing (don't get me started on how they throw around "Ai" these days for things that were done using simple IF commands decades ago for same tasks and we just called it "algorithm"). It is just an advanced upscaler. If you check FinalFantasy benchmark examples, you can see the image is nowhere near as sharp as native. Which is to be expected for something where you're extrapolating pixels from lower resolution.

 

If they just said "We've made a really advanced upscaler for 3D graphics" and I'd leave it at that without any comments. But their relentless bragging about Ai and deep learning is becoming really irritating. What's next, "Ai" audio volume adjuster, "Ai" brightness adjuster, "Ai" Start menu which opens all by itself when you click it. Like, come on...

[dizmo]

You sold your card 6 months before the new one was released?

Hahaha. Wow.

 

Also, the 2080 is about what one would expect. It's also more expensive due to a large die and more expensive memory...which was alluded to months before the cards release.

 

Who said the 2070 would be as good as a 1080Ti?

[xAcid9]

14 hours ago, RejZoR said:

If you check FinalFantasy benchmark examples, you can see the image is nowhere near as sharp as native.

I cringed when DigitalFoundry said there no different in image quality while showing DLSS is noticeably blurry in the background though yeah in some scenes it look pretty similar.

[JoostinOnline]

Reviews are basically worthless for comparison right now.  Like Linus said repeatedly in his video, it was premature but they had to make it because everyone else was doing it.

[Ebony Falcon]

watch all of this, it explains how dlss works, it also shows that a 2080 with dlss out performs the 2080ti with it turned off, thats how big the jump is with this tech, ray tracing we still dont no about but dlss looks awesome, better quality images, better quality in motion and more fps its litterly mid blowing, so if u wanna spend 750 on a 1080ti insstead of an extra 50 on a 2080 for the 6 fps in gtav that u get right now then go right ahead becasue pushing forwards a few yeards the 1080ti will be left dead in the waater in comparison.
nvdia will push this tech so hard to make people upgrade it will be like trying to run game works on an amd card.

yes its slightly more expensive but watch all the video when dlss is enabled ( and it also tells you how it works so its a guaranteed massive boost in its enabled games) the price to performance kills the 1080ti, and the games that dont support it in the future u still have 1080ti performance and a beter nvlick upgrade path 

in England 1080ti is 750 and a rtx 2080 is 800, 50 pounds for the use of futer tech and still same performance as a 1080ti with out it ? yes please

its a no brainier, unless ur buying second had or the cheapest crap-est model u can find. people are just being but hurt over there 1080tis becasue everyone wants what they have to be the best.

whatch the video all of it. become educated