AMD 7nm gpus confirmed for 2018

[Daniel644]

using Inspect Element it looks like that page is from early August, but since then AMD has had to switch from one manufacture to another because of issues with 7nm at the one they where using, so I wonder if they are still on track for this, surely last minute switching of manufacture will add some delay to it.

[Camoxide]

Incoming Navi! 

 

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Arika S said:

They have a lot of catching up to do in GPU performance. But I fear they're dumping more money into their CPU division to stay afloat and their GPUs are just kind of "there" but not their focus

They definitely don't have enough money to go into both. Hopefully they get it together in the next few years and catch up though, with money from their CPU sales.

[MMKing]

On 9/3/2018 at 5:34 PM, Daniel644 said:

using Inspect Element it looks like that page is from early August, but since then AMD has had to switch from one manufacture to another because of issues with 7nm at the one they where using, so I wonder if they are still on track for this, surely last minute switching of manufacture will add some delay to it.

https://community.amd.com/community/amd-corporate/blog/2018/08/27/expanding-our-high-performance-leadership-with-focused-7nm-development

 

The press release was in fact posted the very same day, acknowledging GF's decision and stating that AMD expected no delays as a result of this. GF's decision has likely been informal in the industry for some time leading up to the formal announcement that 7nm development would end.

 

On 9/3/2018 at 5:41 PM, dizmo said:

They definitely don't have enough money to go into both. Hopefully they get it together in the next few years and catch up though, with money from their CPU sales.

AMD spent 1116 million USD in 2017 on research & development, Nvidia spent 1797 million while Intel spent 13 098 million (2017). AMD's 2017 revenue totaled 5.33 billion dollars, while Nvidia's totaled 6.91 Billion USD.

 

There is no insurmountable difference between AMD and Nvidia, AMD is not a tiny company. Saying AMD should compete with Intel because their CPUs are extremely competitive at the moment, and stop competing with Nvidia because they can't afford it is stupid and short sighted. Just a few years ago, AMD had very competitive products when Nvidia were shipping the 400, 500 and 600 series Geforce cards.

 

People calling for AMD to stop developing CPUs back then, are just as stupid as people telling AMD to stop developing GPUs right now.

[cj09beira]

17 minutes ago, MMKing said:

AMD spent 1116 million USD in 2017 on research & development, Nvidia spent 1797 million while Intel spent 13 098 million (2017). AMD's 2017 revenue totaled 5.33 billion dollars, while Nvidia's totaled 6.91 Billion USD.

 

There is no insurmountable difference between AMD and Nvidia, AMD is not a tiny company. Saying AMD should compete with Intel because their CPUs are extremely competitive at the moment, and stop competing with Nvidia because they can't afford it is stupid and short sighted. Just a few years ago, AMD had very competitive products when Nvidia were shipping the 400, 500 and 600 series Geforce cards.

 

People calling for AMD to stop developing CPUs back then, are just as stupid as people telling AMD to stop developing GPUs right now.

i kinda agree but dont forget that that R&D has to be devided between cpu and gpu design, which means they are in disadvantage on that side, hopefully ryzen will help improve that (seems to be already)

[Trixanity]

1 hour ago, MMKing said:

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There is nothing to doubt. AMD is on track to launch Vega 20 in Q4. Likewise Rome is sampling to partners.

 

As for memory bandwidth it'll be at least 2 Gbps memory but unless there are unknown issues, I'm expecting them to go for 2.4 Gbps considering the market

[ApolloX75]

There's a wccftech article that points to an imminent release of 7nm GPUs from AMD as well that I haven't seen anyone cover yet, however I'd say take it with a truck load of salt as per usual. IF this is accurate then the new Vega successor will be a monster.

 

However any excitement this generated; for me at least, is heavily tempered by how much of a letdown Vega was upon release.

[S w a t s o n]

If they manage to squeak navi into 2018 i'll be mildly impressed with the new RTG, this is probably vega 20 though

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, ApolloX75 said:

There's a wccftech article that points to an

There's a wccftech article that points to everything, they like to cover their bases.

[D13H4RD]

11 minutes ago, mr moose said:

There's a wccftech article that points to everything, they like to cover their bases.

I mean, it's WCCFTech. 

 

Though they have competition from the likes of Tom's Hardware in the Avram Pilch era. 

 

With all that said, I'm curious on how these 7nm GPUs perform. 

[leadeater]

5 hours ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Though they have competition from the likes of Tom's Hardware in the Avram Pilch era. 

Wow no need to be so harsh towards WCCFTech, they'd never publish that trash.... 

[Tech Enthusiast]

6 hours ago, mr moose said:

There's a wccftech article that points to everything, they like to cover their bases.

To be fair this approach kinda works.

Seen it with plenty of YouTubers as well.

 

Just predict EVERYTHING, so at least one prediction has to be correct. Afterwards, you can claim "hey, we nailed it. You always get the correct predictions from us!".

Actually sad that it works like that, but people just love to fall for any kind of crap.

[SimplyChunk]

4 minutes ago, Rattenmann said:

Just predict EVERYTHING, so at least one prediction has to be correct. Afterwards, you can claim "hey, we nailed it. You always get the correct predictions from us!".

Actually sad that it works like that, but people just love to fall for any kind of crap.

lol

[Trixanity]

37 minutes ago, Rattenmann said:

To be fair this approach kinda works.

Seen it with plenty of YouTubers as well.

 

Just predict EVERYTHING, so at least one prediction has to be correct. Afterwards, you can claim "hey, we nailed it. You always get the correct predictions from us!".

Actually sad that it works like that, but people just love to fall for any kind of crap.

Wccftech is basically the Schrodinger's cat of publications: [insert upcoming/rumored chip] is both real and fake. It's both awesome and terrible. It'll be released next week/month/year/never. It'll cost 100/500/1000/1500 dollars.

[Doobeedoo]

Yeah Vega comes first on 7nm but as far as consumer card and Navi we'll have to wait and see. Really need a flagship successor to Vega next year, cause next flagship needs to be much faster than Vega when it comes.

[Humbug]

vega 20 this year is gonna be the first high performance part manufactured on 7nm. When you move to a new process node like this typically yields are not great at first. So it's expensive for AMD... That's why they are focusing on the data center market first where they can sell Vega 20 for thousands of dollars, they know it will be very profitable despite the manufacturing cost. 

 

If they launch Navi which is targetted at gamers they have to be price competitive with Nvidia. So they are holding that off until the first half of 2019 by which time 7nm production would have ramped up and matured.

 

7 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Yeah Vega comes first on 7nm but as far as consumer card and Navi we'll have to wait and see. Really need a flagship successor to Vega next year, cause next flagship needs to be much faster than Vega when it comes.

The Navi that is launching in 2019 will not be a flagship. It will max out as a performance midrange part, will probably outperform Vega due to being 7nm and far higher clocks plus architectural advancements .

But the Navi flagship is only expeced in 2020.

[Doobeedoo]

18 minutes ago, Humbug said:

vega 20 this year is gonna be the first high performance part manufactured on 7nm. When you move to a new process node like this typically yields are not great at first. So it's expensive for AMD... That's why they are focusing on the data center market first where they can sell Vega 20 for thousands of dollars, they know it will be very profitable despite the manufacturing cost. 

 

If they launch Navi which is targetted at gamers they have to be price competitive with Nvidia. So they are holding that off until the first half of 2019 by which time 7nm production would have ramped up and matured.

 

The Navi that is launching in 2019 will not be a flagship. It will max out as a performance midrange part, will probably outperform Vega due to being 7nm and far higher clocks plus architectural advancements .

But the Navi flagship is only expeced in 2020.

Yeah I know, bit odd that flagship is not launching first =/ also you pointed it well about 7nm Vega as first product and that node shrink can give a very good performance bump. So maybe no Vega 7nm for consumers but just Navi if they would perform like same, and flagship Navi later on hmm? Is the first navi the limited GCN and the actual flagship later their "Next Gen" GPU ?

[Void Master]

Looking forward for an rx 680 !

[JoeCoke]

I just have to say, isn't it telling that this topic is only on page 2, while the dual core Ryzen that was just announced is on page 6? Poor Radeon. lmao

 

 

 

Let's just hope AMD gets their shit together with GPUs like they have with CPUs.

[Trixanity]

2 hours ago, 2Buck said:

I just have to say, isn't it telling that this topic is only on page 2, while the dual core Ryzen that was just announced is on page 6? Poor Radeon. lmao

 

 

 

Let's just hope AMD gets their shit together with GPUs like they have with CPUs.

Probably because there isn't anything to say. It's basically "7nm is coming". And I think this has been discussed multiple times in other topics as well.

 

When Vega 20 launches it'll probably be 12 pages of bickering. I'll guarantee it.

[mr moose]

On 9/4/2018 at 10:11 PM, Trixanity said:

Wccftech is basically the Schrodinger's cat of publications: [insert upcoming/rumored chip] is both real and fake. It's both awesome and terrible. It'll be released next week/month/year/never. It'll cost 100/500/1000/1500 dollars.

I both agreed and disagreed with this statement until I read it. 

[JoeCoke]

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Probably because there isn't anything to say. It's basically "7nm is coming". And I think this has been discussed multiple times in other topics as well.

 

When Vega 20 launches it'll probably be 12 pages of bickering. I'll guarantee it.

Remember when Zen was just "coming"? It was wayyyy more than this iirc.

[Trixanity]

Just now, 2Buck said:

Remember when Zen was just "coming"? It was wayyyy more than this iirc.

There were a lot more to talk about. AMD's big comeback and them touting massive IPC improvements alone.

 

Vega 20 simply isn't all that interesting to most. The benchmarks may generate some discussion but a machine learning only chip isn't sexy to the majority of people on this forum.

[JoeCoke]

Just now, Trixanity said:

Vega 20 simply isn't all that interesting to most.

And there's the point.

 

we got it to 3 pages yayyyyyy

[Trixanity]

4 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

And there's the point.

 

we got it to 3 pages yayyyyyy

I just checked out some Vega related topics. Found the following number of pages: 3, 4, 8, 5

 

Then I looked at Navi related topics. It was: 3, 12, 3, 3.

 

I should note I filtered a lot to avoid having to look through dozens of pages of search results so I've probably missed a lot.

 

Ultimately the more concrete it is the more active it is. The more click baity the title the more active it is. The more controversial the topic is the more active it is.

 

Having 7nm Vega be in the news (again - I checked it had been posted in some form earlier) via a tiny confirmation in a press release on foundry timelines isn't something that will prompt people to get their dongers out. That's just the way it is. You can't extrapolate interest from that.