AMD ThreadRipper Gen 2 Reviews

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Just double checked and he got 756W of total system consumption, 800w on the cpu itself would have been hilarious

In the audio, he said Cinebench was higher. But, yeah, that was toasty.

 

Still, that's really not that much power Per Core. There's just a LOT of cores. 

 

Intel's A-series is going to be interesting. The Hexa-channel memory is obviously necessary, but that's going to be a toasty part itself. At Stock, the 2990WX is pretty tame, which is pretty awesome to see. 

[Taf the Ghost]

The 2970WX isn't out until October, but I think that's probably going to be the "Render's best friend" in this cycle. 

The 2950X with PBO active (and good cooling) is probably the best Buy from the stack. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

[S w a t s o n]

5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

In the audio, he said Cinebench was higher. But, yeah, that was toasty.

 

Still, that's really not that much power Per Core. There's just a LOT of cores. 

 

Intel's A-series is going to be interesting. The Hexa-channel memory is obviously necessary, but that's going to be a toasty part itself. At Stock, the 2990WX is pretty tame, which is pretty awesome to see. 

Honestly I feel like that is a lot a of power.

 

Pcper hit 4.1GHz at total system consumption of only 620W in R15 because they actually understand that voltage scaling across 32 cores matters. With the fact that zepplin dies already have very little silicon lottery to them and TR gets the top 5% of zepplin dies effectively killing the idea of the lottery at all. It seems to me that we're now actually seeing OC knowledge/skill come into play. I'm guessing HW Unboxed's 2990WX should be able to get the same exact OC basically. I give der8auer a pass because he basically used auto OC.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Swatson said:

Honestly I feel like that is a lot a of power.

 

Pcper hit 4.1GHz at total system consumption of only 620W in R15 because they actually understand that voltage scaling across 32 cores matters. With the fact that zepplin dies already have very little silicon lottery to them and TR gets the top 5% of zepplin dies effectively killing the idea of the lottery at all. It seems to me that we're now actually seeing OC knowledge/skill come into play. I'm guessing HW Unboxed's 2990WX should be able to get the same exact OC basically. I give der8uer a pass because he basically used auto OC.

Steve had time constraint issues. He does his massive benchmarking runs, and I'm sure he'll dial in better with some time. He gave us such a wide array of benchmarks, that I'm not too worried about it. I do look forward to whatever craziness Gamer's Nexus comes up with, at least after they get moved in. Someone has to try to melt some VRMs.

[MMKing]

6 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Honestly I feel like that is a lot a of power.

 

Pcper hit 4.1GHz at total system consumption of only 620W in R15 because they actually understand that voltage scaling across 32 cores matters. With the fact that zepplin dies already have very little silicon lottery to them and TR gets the top 5% of zepplin dies effectively killing the idea of the lottery at all. It seems to me that we're now actually seeing OC knowledge/skill come into play. I'm guessing HW Unboxed's 2990WX should be able to get the same exact OC basically. I give der8auer a pass because he basically used auto OC.

I sort of agree with this statement. However, these being journalists testing a product for the consumer market. I feel they are obliged to use the ''auto'' settings in the main review article, then they can later add on another overclock article separate from the main review.

 

Hopefully someone is gonna be testing how significant memory performance is. What i gathered from the unboxing videos was AMD sending 3200MHZ memory chips as part of the review kit. Which is about the price sweet spot for DDR4 memory. However, this being a 1800USD CPU, i don't think it unreasonable to assume any would be buyers would buy faster memory if it significantly impacted performance.

[S w a t s o n]

Maybe someone who can speak the language of shouting will correct me but it also looks like the 2990WX LN2 record has been surpassed again at 5.3GHz vs previous 5.1GHz

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/news/hardware/prozessoren/47117-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-bei-5-3-ghz-bricht-rekorde.html

 

[TVwazhere]

1 hour ago, WereCat said:

Also they forgot to peel away the plastic from the cooler so it affected some benchmarks. 

Every first time builder's mistake

[Taf the Ghost]

 @Swatson

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linux-2990wx&num=4

 

The 2990WX is murdering the i9-7980XE on the Linux side of things.  Rather than Threadripper, it's really Jack The Threadripper. Wow.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, TVwazhere said:

Every first time builder's mistake

Managed to actually burn a chip that way one time. Every CPU builder gets distracted at least once.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

2 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

oh wow, anything dependant on sourcing from lots of RAM hammered the 2990WX o_o

 

there was a short discussion in the other thread regarding possible RAM topology in the rumors of the 32-core threadripper 2. I wonder if "single-channel for all CCXes" instead of the "dual channel for two and the others have to ask" would have fared better here (and how much impact would it have on non-workstation workloads)

Yeah I remember pointing out that the two dies without any I/O access (especially memory) would have an impact on memory-intensive tasks. I didn't imagine it would be this bad going with two memory channels for two dies and leave the other two to rely on the Infinity Fabric for memory access from said dies.

 

The memory bandwidth issue for the other 16 cores of the 2990WX is so bad, memory-intensive tasks, encoding, and gaming performance was slain by AMD's own 2950X and the other parts that both AMD themselves and Intel offer. Even the Intel Core i9-7980XE Extreme Edition CPU, which is still grossly overpriced, outpaces the WX series of CPUs in gaming. Not that these HEDT parts make any sense in gaming, I'm just pointing out what I saw in the Hardware Unboxed video.

[S w a t s o n]

Ignore my previous post about 5.3GHz, we 5.4 GHz now

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-overclocked-to-5-4-ghz

 

Spoiler

 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Jurunce said:

Yeah I remember pointing out that the two dies without any I/O access (especially memory) would have an impact on memory-intensive tasks. I didn't imagine it would be this bad going with two memory channels for two dies and leave the other two to rely on the Infinity Fabric for memory access from said dies.

 

The memory bandwidth issue for the other 16 cores of the 2990WX is so bad, memory-intensive tasks, encoding, and gaming performance was slain by AMD's own 2950X and the other parts that both AMD themselves and Intel offer. Even the Intel Core i9-7980XE Extreme Edition CPU, which is still grossly overpriced, outpaces the WX series of CPUs in gaming. Not that these HEDT parts make any sense in gaming, I'm just pointing out what I saw in the Hardware Unboxed video.

Intel's HEDT is slightly better than AMD anyway in gaming, but it's going to take a good number of months of tweaks to the Windows Scheduler and other things. On the Linux side, the 2990WX is a straight up killer, as the OS is far more designed to handle stranger CPU Topologies. (If you think the WX series is strange, look what happened with 2x CPU servers.) 

 

I think they'll get the bigger issues that Hardware Unboxed ran into fixed over time, but this really seems far more like a Linux CPU than a normal Windows one. Which brings up a good question: would the WX series test differently under Windows Server?

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Swatson said:

Ignore my previous post about 5.3GHz, we 5.4 GHz now

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-overclocked-to-5-4-ghz

 

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Clearly, the LN2 guys are like, "we're going to get new records or burn holes in this motherboards!".

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

hexkey how many times do i repeatedly tag someone in one comment before i get banned

LOL. 

[Taf the Ghost]

@Swatson

 

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-2990wx-cooling&num=1

 

Phoronix appears to have had a good chunk more time than anyone else with TR2.

[cj09beira]

25 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Clearly, the LN2 guys are like, "we're going to get new records or burn holes in this motherboards!".

ya a those clocks the amps are crazy high 650A+, hope amd introduces a Dc to Dc step down converter with their next socket revision, at least on the server/ws side it might help

btw where are the Ws boards i hope that at least zen 2 gets some, something is just not right when you have gamer brands and colors on what really is a server cpu 

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

ya a those clocks the amps are crazy high 650A+, hope amd introduces a Dc to Dc step down converter with their next socket revision, at least on the server/ws side it might help

btw where are the Ws boards i hope that at least zen 2 gets some, something is just not right when you have gamer brands and colors on what really is a server cpu 

Well, you can buy 8c, 16c and 24c Epycs already. AMD expects you will if you need all of the PCIe lanes anyway.

[S w a t s o n]

9 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

ya a those clocks the amps are crazy high 650A+, hope amd introduces a Dc to Dc step down converter with their next socket revision, at least on the server/ws side it might help

btw where are the Ws boards i hope that at least zen 2 gets some, something is just not right when you have gamer brands and colors on what really is a server cpu 

Asus would be a prime candidate to make a nice WS board but they dont seem to want to make any TR2 boards and just ship a heatsink and fan.. They are shooting themselves in the foot me thinks

[Taf the Ghost]

I'm going to make an easy prediction: Most of the really odd 2990WX results will go away by the time the 2970WX launches in October.

 

I forgot that both Ryzen & Threadripper needed Windows Scheduler updates. I also forgot that a good chunk of games just wouldn't load with the 1950X installed because of simply too many threads. New Topology = New Scheduler & Windows patches.

 

The 2990WX is definitely a render box, but some of the oddities will go away with patches.

[The Benjamins]

2990wx at 5.4 on LN2 got 8391 C15

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-overclocked-to-5-4-ghz

[S w a t s o n]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

2990wx at 5.4 on LN2 got 8391 C15

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-overclocked-to-5-4-ghz

 

54 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Ignore my previous post about 5.3GHz, we 5.4 GHz now

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-overclocked-to-5-4-ghz

 

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How dare you

[cj09beira]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

2990wx at 5.4 on LN2 got 8391 C15

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-overclocked-to-5-4-ghz

keep an watch on that page as derbaur is aiming at dual 7601 on ln2 which might be enough for some crazy scores

[Dylanc1500]

Hmm, Interesting. I will say that I am starting to get rubbed a little wrong by some of the prices that were stated in some of the comparisons. I have seen quite fluid prices depending on the region. I suppose honestly it's not too big of a deal though, as I know that most of the people buying these products will research the prices available to them and factor in their own workloads.

 

Welp, I guess this went from comment to status quite quickly. Ooops.

[sazrocks]

8419cb achieved... holy crap

http://hwbot.org/submission/3916493_sampson_cinebench___r15_ryzen_threadripper_2990wx_8419_cb

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

8419cb achieved... holy crap

http://hwbot.org/submission/3916493_sampson_cinebench___r15_ryzen_threadripper_2990wx_8419_cb

Ayyy, that 8391 score from lucky noob was long lived