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[IPD]

1 hour ago, AlwaysFSX said:

You know the most cost saving measure on large scale production would be to.. not change things that don't need to be changed?

Then why ever refresh a car at all?  Why not sell the exact same 911 as was sold in 1969?

[iDeFecZx]

3 minutes ago, IPD said:

Then why ever refresh a car at all?  Why not sell the exact same 911 as was sold in 1969?

Because things did need changing

[Bitter]

38 minutes ago, IPD said:

Then why ever refresh a car at all?  Why not sell the exact same 911 as was sold in 1969?

People would eat that up if it was a 69 Porsche looking body with modern power train abs chassis.

[IPD]

36 minutes ago, Bitter said:

People would eat that up if it was a 69 Porsche looking body with modern power train abs chassis.

Well I always did feel that Porsche fans have no accounting for aesthetic taste....

[IPD]

1 hour ago, iDeFecZx said:

Because things did need changing

Sure.  So why change things that DON'T need changing?  Like fiddling with infotainment?  Or moving button locations?  All of the chintzy shit that screams "we're changing things for the sake of changing them"--rather than out of necessity?

[iDeFecZx]

16 minutes ago, IPD said:

Sure.  So why change things that DON'T need changing?  Like fiddling with infotainment?  Or moving button locations?  All of the chintzy shit that screams "we're changing things for the sake of changing them"--rather than out of necessity?

Because thats what the market wanted? Brands dont just do stuff for the fun of it

[Aniallation]

On 6/7/2022 at 5:14 PM, bcredeur97 said:

What’s better? That or a Chevy bolt 

For that specifically? Leaf. It is a really underrated chassis, and even stock, handles very well for what it is. The Bolt is noticeably worse for handling and chassis rigidity.

 

Carving forest backroads with a stock 2018 Leaf during my trip to Oregon:

 

 

As a car/an EV though? Definitely the Bolt, considering it's significantly better range and active cooling for the battery. The defective batteries have been recalled and are getting replaced, so ones that have been won't just blow up. 

[AlwaysFSX]

1 hour ago, IPD said:

Then why ever refresh a car at all?  Why not sell the exact same 911 as was sold in 1969?

Aerodynamics and safety design takes precedent over vehicle design. Actual styling comes second with influence from what people will find attractive at the time of release.

[IPD]

1 hour ago, Aniallation said:

For that specifically? Leaf. It is a really underrated chassis, and even stock, handles very well for what it is. The Bolt is noticeably worse for handling and chassis rigidity.

 

Carving forest backroads with a stock 2018 Leaf during my trip to Oregon:

 

 

As a car/an EV though? Definitely the Bolt, considering it's significantly better range and active cooling for the battery. The defective batteries have been recalled and are getting replaced, so ones that have been won't just blow up. 

My understanding is that the Leaf's biggest drawback is the lack of temperature control for the batteries--which is why they tend to degrade faster than competing EV's.  Of course, that's 1st gens, and I think they've addressed this now.  IDK for certain.

[bcredeur97]

Bit warm outside on this side of the US

 

[AlwaysFSX]

48 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Bit warm outside on this side of the US

 

Did you decide to drive west of Texas? That's a mistake lol

[bcredeur97]

3 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Did you decide to drive west of Texas? That's a mistake lol

You’re telling me. I’m finally at my hotel after a 977 mile 14.5 hour journey near Phoenix. It was 111F.

 

the no humidity thing is weird. Best way I can describe it is preheating your oven, opening it, and just standing in front of it lol 

 

wheras in Louisiana you just sweat buckets as soon as you step outside (and as a result you smell and feel disgusting the rest of the day) 

 

I’m doing it to pass by a friend’s place tomorrow in southern Cali. And I get to cross this off the list of places I’ve been so… worth it 

[vetali]

1 hour ago, bcredeur97 said:

You’re telling me. I’m finally at my hotel after a 977 mile 14.5 hour journey near Phoenix. It was 111F.

 

the no humidity thing is weird. Best way I can describe it is preheating your oven, opening it, and just standing in front of it lol 

 

wheras in Louisiana you just sweat buckets as soon as you step outside (and as a result you smell and feel disgusting the rest of the day) 

 

I’m doing it to pass by a friend’s place tomorrow in southern Cali. And I get to cross this off the list of places I’ve been so… worth it 

Here we are barely hitting 60 with multiple inches of rain in the past few days lol.

[jagdtigger]

12 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

Bit warm outside on this side of the US

Ugh thats rough, we only up at 33°C here in Hungary.

/ON
Looks like i have a half-dead Lambda sensors. Did a trip to my grandma last week (400+km and most of it was motorway cruise control set to 140 kmh and engine sitting at 4200RPM), system too lean errors changed to intermittent and went away after clearing error codes. Yesterday the car flipped on the check engine and the usual "Abgas Werkstatt" error appeared on the dash.....

[IPD]

8 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

You’re telling me. I’m finally at my hotel after a 977 mile 14.5 hour journey near Phoenix. It was 111F.

 

the no humidity thing is weird. Best way I can describe it is preheating your oven, opening it, and just standing in front of it lol 

 

wheras in Louisiana you just sweat buckets as soon as you step outside (and as a result you smell and feel disgusting the rest of the day) 

 

I’m doing it to pass by a friend’s place tomorrow in southern Cali. And I get to cross this off the list of places I’ve been so… worth it 

Cali is a hellhole with a nice climate.

 

Best thing to do, imho, is drive 2 hours north from Phoenix to Sedona.  It's amazing how different the temperature is with the elevation change.  Comfortable.  Enjoyable.

[AlwaysFSX]

11 hours ago, bcredeur97 said:

You’re telling me. I’m finally at my hotel after a 977 mile 14.5 hour journey near Phoenix. It was 111F.

 

the no humidity thing is weird. Best way I can describe it is preheating your oven, opening it, and just standing in front of it lol 

 

wheras in Louisiana you just sweat buckets as soon as you step outside (and as a result you smell and feel disgusting the rest of the day) 

 

I’m doing it to pass by a friend’s place tomorrow in southern Cali. And I get to cross this off the list of places I’ve been so… worth it 

Oh god lol

Yeah humidity is pretty awful, I never want to live in the south again for a reason.

[Bitter]

I'm being really lazy about this today and just doing a little then taking like hours long breaks and started late on it. Good news is that I started and I am working on it, just had a hard time starting it. A couple stuck bolts but they came out, the vertical hood latch brace lower bolt is pretty stuck and I'd really like to get it out as it makes installing the fan without damaging the radiator a lot more possible. The bolt has turned a little bit but the brace turned with it, I might need to heat it. I can't really get lube on it since it's in a boxed part of the vehicle frame which is all the more reason I do not want to break it. Worst case I work around it by laying a sheet of cardboard over the radiator to protect it when I slip the fan in and then slip the cardboard out. It's pretty successful technique I use at work often.

[Aniallation]

On 6/10/2022 at 4:30 PM, IPD said:

My understanding is that the Leaf's biggest drawback is the lack of temperature control for the batteries--which is why they tend to degrade faster than competing EV's.  Of course, that's 1st gens, and I think they've addressed this now.  IDK for certain.

The degradation part itself is fixed for the 2nd gens, but by way of changing the battery chemistry to tolerate heat and not actually adding thermal management unfortunately. So in the newer ones, you can heat them up as much as you want and it won't accelerate degradation, but long road trips are still a disaster because the hotter it gets the slower it will charge. 

[Bitter]

30 minutes ago, Aniallation said:

The degradation part itself is fixed for the 2nd gens, but by way of changing the battery chemistry to tolerate heat and not actually adding thermal management unfortunately. So in the newer ones, you can heat them up as much as you want and it won't accelerate degradation, but long road trips are still a disaster because the hotter it gets the slower it will charge. 

Just slap a few of these bad boys on there!

[Bitter]

2 hours ago, Bitter said:

I'm being really lazy about this today and just doing a little then taking like hours long breaks and started late on it. Good news is that I started and I am working on it, just had a hard time starting it. A couple stuck bolts but they came out, the vertical hood latch brace lower bolt is pretty stuck and I'd really like to get it out as it makes installing the fan without damaging the radiator a lot more possible. The bolt has turned a little bit but the brace turned with it, I might need to heat it. I can't really get lube on it since it's in a boxed part of the vehicle frame which is all the more reason I do not want to break it. Worst case I work around it by laying a sheet of cardboard over the radiator to protect it when I slip the fan in and then slip the cardboard out. It's pretty successful technique I use at work often.

Good news everyone, I got the stuck bolt free. The boxed frame has some...shapes stamped into it for rigidity which means there's some gaps in the sheet metal so I was able to get some lube in there and get the bolt out without a bunch of fuss. However it is late now and and I am tired and I do not work on my own cars when tired because stupid things happen when you're tired. I think I may also finally install this intake manifold and throttle body I've had kicking around for a few years.

It's got a big boy throttle body, that air is going to be like a hotdog down a hallway boys!

[bcredeur97]

Here’s the only pic of my car I’ve taken so far lol 

[bcredeur97]

Apparently 111F is not really that normal(I thought it was normal lol) for Phoenix and they haven’t hit those temps in a long time.

 

they hit 114F yesterday and they haven’t done that since 1918.

 

my car was fine even with the A/C on driving highway speeds for a couple hours in that area. (You pretty much have the AC maxed the whole time in those temps tho to keep your car cool)  When I got out to fill it up though the radiator fans were at max speed lol 

 

I wonder what the typical operating temp limit is for a production car? 120F? I thought they drove production cars through Death Valley in development to make sure they would make it in pretty much any condition 

 

i do think my Miata with the stock radiator would not have made it tho lol. People put aftermarket rads in those cars just to survive a track day 

[Bitter]

I'd say 130F ambient temps would be the upper limit of most modern production automobiles, need to remember that sitting in a hot parking lot or stop and go over black roadways you'll see air temps well over 115F, possibly over 120F. With cooling air intake placed low on most cars they are vacuuming up hot air off the road. So ambient temp and air temp hitting the radiator and engine can be off by a good bit. 

[vetali]

Those days we hit 115F last year my fan was full blast after a 5 mile trip. AC was just warm air coming out of the vents, and thats with 1234YF which I believe works better under those conditions.

[IPD]

Drive I-10 through Death Valley from Phoenix during a hot summer day.  That's a butthole pucker factor praying your car doesn't break down.