AMD Announces Ryzen Embedded V1000 & Epyc Embedded 3000

[The Benjamins]

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The AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1000 processor family brings together the breakthrough performance of the pioneering AMD “Zen” CPU and “Vega” GPU architectures in a seamlessly integrated SOC solution that sets a new standard in processing power for next-generation embedded designs. Delivering superior graphics and multimedia processing, and compute performance up to 3.6 TFLOPS with thermal design power (TDP) as low as 12W and as high as 54W, AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1000 SOCs equip system designers to achieve new levels of processing efficiency and design versatility. With a comprehensive set of advanced, integrated security features, AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1000 SOCs enable sophisticated system protections complemented by an expansive breadth of I/O interconnect options.

 

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AMD EPYC™ Embedded 3000 processors expand the AMD EPYC™ Embedded family of products to harness the breakthrough performance benefits of the “Zen” CPU architecture, bringing exceptional reliability, availability and serviceability features to networking, storage and industrial applications. Leveraging major advancements in I/O integration, flexibility, and security capabilities, AMD EPYC™ Embedded 3000 processors set a new benchmark for innovation and performance-per-watt, giving system designers a compelling and cost-effective new choice in x86 embedded processing.

 

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These parts look awesome, they seem like a better buy then the Xeon D line intel just refreshed, I want to get one to upgrade my NAS. The all core count boost clocks are really high, and i love the fact all of them have on die 10Gb networking (2, 4, 8). It is also crazy to think that the top end parts also have 64 PCIe lanes.

 

https://www.amd.com/Documents/V1000-Family-Product-Brief.pdf

https://www.amd.com/Documents/3000-Family-Product-Brief.pdf

https://www.amd.com/en/products/embedded?utm_campaign=embedded&utm_medium=redirect&utm_source=301

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-goes-after-15B-embedded-space-two-new-embedded-processors

[Nicnac]

i like that amd are really making the most of ryzen

[Mira Yurizaki]

As a person who worked in embedded systems for several years (and I sort of still do), I'm looking at this going "so... it's embedded because you have to solder it on a board?"

 

I suppose what you work with first pollutes your expectations of what something is in general.

[bcredeur97]

is it just me or is the GPU in those things actually pretty powerful? Moreso than the recent Vega GPU's in the Ryzen G series chips?

[Trixanity]

10 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

is it just me or is the GPU in those things actually pretty powerful? Moreso than the recent Vega GPU's in the Ryzen G series chips?

It's just you. It's the same chip.

[bcredeur97]

3 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

It's just you. It's the same chip.

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[XenosTech]

40 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

As a person who worked in embedded systems for several years (and I sort of still do), I'm looking at this going "so... it's embedded because you have to solder it on a board?"

Basically that's what it is lol. Laptops can be looked at as embedded systems too

[Techstorm970]

This is pretty cool, but I have questions.  Where do these V1000 porocessors fit into the market?  Are they essentially AMD's answer to Intel's T-series processors?  Or are they meant for laptops?  Some of them could easily be suitable for laptops...25w TDP is pretty low (and on par with my i5-7200u).

49 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

These parts look awesome, they seem like a better buy then the Xeon D line intel just refreshed

Did I just answer my own questions by going back and finding this?

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, XenosTech said:

Basically that's what it is lol. Laptops can be looked at as embedded systems too

Well, when I think of an embedded system, it has these characteristics (and it has to be built/designed with these in mind)

• Special purpose. It's only meant to do a few things.
• The application often has a real-time requirement.
• It's meant to be left alone without any interaction from anyone for a long time.
  • Which also implies there's very little in the way of regular I/O
• It's much lower power than a typical general purpose system.

So basically taking a cut down Epyc and making it a solderable item, even with some on-die peripherals, to me, doesn't exactly make it an "embedded" thing.

 

But I'm nitpicking. I may as well join the "UHD is not 4K" camp.

[XenosTech]

18 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Well, when I think of an embedded system, it has these characteristics (and it has to be built/designed with these in mind)

• Special purpose. It's only meant to do a few things.
• The application often has a real-time requirement.
• It's meant to be left alone without any interaction from anyone for a long time.
  • Which also implies there's very little in the way of regular I/O
• It's much lower power than a typical general purpose system.

So basically taking a cut down Epyc and making it a solderable item, even with some on-die peripherals, to me, doesn't exactly make it an "embedded" thing.

 

But I'm nitpicking. I may as well join the "UHD is not 4K" camp.

Well those are the typical embedded systems but laptops in a sense are embedded systems but yeah both of us are nitpicking at this

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, Trixanity said:

It's just you. It's the same chip.

It's not the same chip, both of these are new dies.

 

And I thought the 2400g was 2 tflops. The v1000 are clocked higher at 1300.

 

The TFlops is higher in a way. the 2400g is advertised with 1.76 TFlops FP32, this is 3.6 TFlops FP 16

 

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FP16. The equation for FLOPS on the GPU is the following making the assumptions for clock and using 16-bit floating point operands is shown here: FLOPS = 11 CU * 4 SIMD/CU * 4Shaders/SIMD * 4 MAC/Pixel * 4 FLOPS/Cycle/ALU * 1300MHz = 3.66 TFLOPS

 

[Energycore]

Bit of a scrub question, but what kinds of systems would these embedded SOCs go into? Laptops, SFF prebuilts or All-In-Ones? Something else?

[XenosTech]

Just now, Energycore said:

Bit of a scrub question, but what kinds of systems would these embedded SOCs go into? Laptops, SFF prebuilts or All-In-Ones? Something else?

medical equipment and that kinda stuff use embedded chips

[Mr.Meerkat]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Bit of a scrub question, but what kinds of systems would these embedded SOCs go into? Laptops, SFF prebuilts or All-In-Ones? Something else?

It could go into medical machines or really anything that requires processing.

[MyName13]

8 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

medical equipment and that kinda stuff use embedded chips

 

6 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

It could go into medical machines or really anything that requires processing.

Why not just use non embedded CPUs?

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, MyName13 said:

Why not just use non embedded CPUs?

An embedded systems CPU is purpose built for the sort of applications with the characteristics I listed above.

 

But I think Epyc Embedded is actually more for microservers, not specialized devices like what the others were saying. Not to say you can't use Epyc Embedded in that field.

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

 

Why not just use non embedded CPUs?

Mostly cost, form factor and tdp. The full sized versions of these will give off a lot more heat and would probably overwhelm the cooling solution for the intended devices and these devices generally aren't user serviceable or are intended to always be superseded by another efficient revision later on. In essence these are fairly cheap to sell to oem who make products based around these.

[WMGroomAK]

23 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Bit of a scrub question, but what kinds of systems would these embedded SOCs go into? Laptops, SFF prebuilts or All-In-Ones? Something else?

If the slides from PC Per are correct, then they are looking at a fairly diverse selection of devices for the embedded processors.  Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some thin and light laptops with a V1807B as there don't appear to be many of the Ryzen mobile systems on the market... Or there could be some stuff similar to Intel's NUCs for streaming and gaming in the living room.

 

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-goes-after-15B-embedded-space-two-new-embedded-processors

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

Mostly cost, form factor and tdp. The full sized versions of these will give off a lot more heat and would probably overwhelm the cooling solution for the intended devices and these devices generally aren't user serviceable or are intended to always be superseded by another efficient revision later on. In essence these are fairly cheap to sell to oem who make products based around these.

The power consumption in the upper range is 54W. The lower end is 12W. The lower end might get away with passive cooling provided you have a large enough heatsink, but the upper end? You need active cooling.

 

This is about half the reason why I can't see it as an embedded thing.

[Energycore]

Just now, WMGroomAK said:

If the slides from PC Per are correct, then they are looking at a fairly diverse selection of devices for the embedded processors.  Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some thin and light laptops with a V1807B as there don't appear to be many of the Ryzen mobile systems on the market... Or there could be some stuff similar to Intel's NUCs for streaming and gaming in the living room.

 

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-goes-after-15B-embedded-space-two-new-embedded-processors

 

Ah, cool.

 

Hell, these might even show up in consoles.

[XenosTech]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

The power consumption in the upper range is 54W. The lower end is 12W. The lower end might get away with passive cooling provided you have a large enough heatsink, but the upper end? You need active cooling.

 

This is about half the reason why I can't see it as an embedded thing.

Now you say active cooling, consoles popped into mind but hey laptops have active cooling

[ScratchCat]

13 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

The power consumption in the upper range is 54W. The lower end is 12W. The lower end might get away with passive cooling provided you have a large enough heatsink, but the upper end? You need active cooling.

 

This is about half the reason why I can't see it as an embedded thing.

Having active cooling should not rule a system out from being embedded:

• Medical equipment with FPGAs and custom silicon is relatively embedded but still requires active cooling.
• Aircraft use computers which have active cooling in order to run the electrical system and cockpit displays etc.
• A mining ASIC is custom made for the purpose of mining, it is embedded and uses active cooling.

The term would be better described as something which is 'embedded' in a larger system e.g. aircraft, IoT device. You cannot describe embedded systems by a single set of features; Micro-controllers are cheap and embedded while a military rocket control system is embedded but is rather expensive.

[Mira Yurizaki]

9 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

Having active cooling should not rule a system out from being embedded:

• Medical equipment with FPGAs and custom silicon is relatively embedded but still requires active cooling.
• Aircraft use computers which have active cooling in order to run the electrical system and cockpit displays etc.
• A mining ASIC is custom made for the purpose of mining, it is embedded and uses active cooling.

The term would be better described as something which is 'embedded' in a larger system e.g. aircraft, IoT device. You cannot describe embedded systems by a single set of features; Micro-controllers are cheap and embedded while a military rocket control system is embedded but is rather expensive.

If you also looked at my previous posts, I admitted to being nitpicky. So I'm not really being serious.

 

To nitpick further though, processors for military and space grade exploration are expensive because they need to be hardened for working in a rough environment, not for any real performance reasons. The fastest processor I've seen in a space exploration grade equipment I'm aware of was in the Curiosity Mars rover, whose specs matched an iMac G3. And to illustrate this further, New Horizons uses a CPU architecture that at the time of this post is 30 years old.

 

So unless AMD has a hardened version of Epyc for a reasonable cost, I'm sort of laughing that they put aerospace/industrial applications in their slides. There is potential, but it's likely the CPU is going to be irrelevant in the public eye before it even has a market in that field. If there's also one other thing I see about the engineering decisions when choosing a CPU for an embedded system, it's the relative simplicity of the hardware. Performance be damned, reliability trumps all.

[Trixanity]

1 hour ago, The Benjamins said:

It's not the same chip, both of these are new dies.

 

And I thought the 2400g was 2 tflops. The v1000 are clocked higher at 1300.

 

The TFlops is higher in a way. the 2400g is advertised with 1.76 TFlops FP32, this is 3.6 TFlops FP 16

 

 

What makes you think it's a new die? It's the exact same specs. The GPU is clocked 50 MHz higher - that's it. That's just binning. The flop count is pretty much explained by extra frequency and otherwise rounded up.

 

It's Raven Ridge binned in a different package. The Epyc variant appears to also be Naples in a new package. They changed the platform a bit to cater to the market with Raven Ridge sporting 10 Gbit ethernet but that's in all probability just a rearranging of the PCI-E lanes. It's also still the FP5 platform Raven Ridge uses. 

 

Again, binned Raven Ridge desktop and laptop SKUs. The shoe fits if you look at the spec sheet. I also don't see why they'd need a new die to do that job. Zen is made to be modular and versatile. 

[The Benjamins]

9 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

What makes you think it's a new die? It's the exact same specs. The GPU is clocked 50 MHz higher - that's it. That's just binning. The flop count is pretty much explained by extra frequency and otherwise rounded up.

 

It's Raven Ridge binned in a different package. The Epyc variant appears to also be Naples in a new package. They changed the platform a bit to cater to the market with Raven Ridge sporting 10 Gbit ethernet but that's in all probability just a rearranging of the PCI-E lanes. It's also still the FP5 platform Raven Ridge uses. 

 

Again, binned Raven Ridge desktop and laptop SKUs. The shoe fits if you look at the spec sheet. I also don't see why they'd need a new die to do that job. Zen is made to be modular and versatile. 

Raven and Zeppelin do not have on die 10Gb but these do. I think their are some other small changes.