FPS drops (Is my PSU not enough for my system?)

[Eric A.]

Hi!

I've built my first system but since then I have experienced FPS drops/stuttering, this are my specs: 

Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.5GHz

16GB RAM (CMU16GX4M2C3200C16) @ 3000Mhz

GTX 1080ti Aorus (GV-N108TAORUS-11GD)

Motherboard: Aorus Gaming K5 AX370

SSD 480GB

HDD 480GB

PSU 750W 80 Plus Bronze: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 B1

Monitor: Asus Predator XB271HU 2560x1440 @ 165Hz

(by now I only have 2 games Battlefield 1 and PUBG)

 

The first days stuttering (sometimes crashes) were caused by a high usage of pagefile instead of RAM, after fix the pagefile problem that was causing crashes on games and constant stuttering, I noticed some micro-stuttering every 1~2 minutes, using afterburner I have noticed there are energy drops on GPU (the energy on the power % chart sometimes goes to 50% from a 90 %) but sometimes those energy drops not match with the FPS drops, sometimes it does. another thing I also have noticed is the frametime which sometimes is very high (300 ~ 500 ms) the systme temperature underl full load are great both CPU and GPU has never reached 70° -celsius degrees- (I believe 65° is the highest temp I have seen while gaming).

 

Things I have tried:

Clean installation of Windows 10

Search for virus

Install all C++ libraries

Run the system without any OC applied

 

I have to mention that my RAM is running at 3000 MHz because at 3200 MHz my system isn't stable, right now I can't stop my GPU fans once they start spining the only way to stop them is rebooting Windows (both afterburner and aorus graphic engine don't detect the fans speed), and for last I have noticed at the BIOS that the voltage on the CPU vcore are higher when I use the default frequencies than with OC applied (I've reached 3.5 GHz without increasing voltages on the CPU)

 

I'm attaching some files where you can see my FPS drops, voltage, temps, etc..

I'll be very grateful for any help.

*English isn't my native language, I'm apologize for any grammatical error*

 

BIOS volatge:

 

 

 

 

 

This are the files I've uploaded I don't know why the other links doesn't work

GPU-Z Sensor Log.txt

BF1 chart.hml

PUBG chart.hml

[Imbellis]

I think the power supply should be fine - consumption maximum of ~500 watts.

There are quite a few people more well-versed on power supplies than myself like @STRMfrmXMN.

[STRMfrmXMN]

6 minutes ago, Imbellis said:

I think the power supply should be fine - consumption maximum of ~500 watts.

There are quite a few people more well-versed on power supplies than myself like @STRMfrmXMN.

His PSU is enough. If he had PSU issues his system would typically BSOD or shut off.

[Himommies]

Reinstall GPU drivers

[Eric A.]

1 hour ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

His PSU is enough. If he had PSU issues his system would typically BSOD or shut off.

I forgot to write: when I updated the chipset to the one which includes the AMD Ryzen balanced power plan the FPS drops were significantly reduced, so I belive it's something related to power but I'm glad to know that my PSU wattage isn't the problem.

[Eric A.]

42 minutes ago, Himommies said:

Reinstall GPU drivers

I've tried that using DDU but the FPS drops are still there

[Frankenburger]

I'm running 2x 1080Ti's off a 750w PSU. That said, no, your PSU is not the problem.

 

Since you're working with a clean install of Windows, it could be a buggy card. Did the stuttering happen before you installed the 1080Ti? If not, do you have any way of doing an exchange?

[Shadow_Storm56]

11 minutes ago, Frankenburger said:

I'm running 2x 1080Ti's off a 750w PSU. That said, no, your PSU is not the problem.

 

Since you're working with a clean install of Windows, it could be a buggy card. Did the stuttering happen before you installed the 1080Ti? If not, do you have any way of doing an exchange?

2 1080 tis on a 750w? I bet you are pushing it! I have 2 regular 1080s and a 6850k and with everything maxed I can hit 800w. My psu is 1200 though. Back to the point although I agree mostly that his psu should be perfectly fine. Wait..... supernova... That psu has eco mode. I read about people having issues running eco mode and it letting the psu get too hot. Check that, I think that psu has it..turn it off

[Frankenburger]

1 minute ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

2 1080 tis on a 750w? I bet you are pushing it! I have 2 regular 1080s and a 6850k and with everything maxed I can hit 800w. My psu is 1200 though. Back to the point although I agree mostly that his psu should be perfectly fine. Wait..... supernova... That psu has eco mode. I read about people having issues running eco mode and it letting the psu get too hot. Check that, I think that psu has it..turn it off

Lol, yeah, it's definitely pushing it. My Kill-A-Watt measures ~780W from the wall with both GPU's maxed (not undervolted - Furmark) and my 5820K maxed (Cinebench). If you consider the efficiency of my PSU, that's probably around 730W. Needless to say, I undervolted both 1080Ti's, averaging about a 30% reduction in power draw ^^

[Shadow_Storm56]

1 minute ago, Frankenburger said:

Lol, yeah, it's definitely pushing it. My Kill-A-Watt measures ~780W from the wall with both GPU's maxed (not undervolted - Furmark) and my 5820K maxed (Cinebench). If you consider the efficiency of my PSU, that's probably around 730W. Needless to say, I undervolted both 1080Ti's, averaging about a 30% reduction in power draw ^^

Whatever works, some psu units can go past capacity. I had a 700w psu years ago that using my monster 3930k and 3 gtx 970's... or 2 ... I forgot. Would sustain 850 or more without even getting that Insainly hot. 

[Frankenburger]

11 minutes ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

Whatever works, some psu units can go past capacity. I had a 700w psu years ago that using my monster 3930k and 3 gtx 970's... or 2 ... I forgot. Would sustain 850 or more without even getting that Insainly hot. 

Well, gotta keep in mind that 780W doesn't mean 780W to the components. If you have a PSU with 80% efficiency, and your components are demanding a flat 800W, the PSU will pull around 1000W from the wall. Of course that doesn't mean the goal is to try and max out the PSU though, lol

[Xander Cousins]

Out of curiosity have you tried Reseating you GPU? sometimes a simple issue can be a fix. 

[xg32]

the 1700 at 3.5ghz SEVERELY (i can't stress this enough) bottlenecks a 1080 ti, it will not be able to get anywhere close to 165fps on some games. What's happening is cpu bottleneck causing gpu usage to drop. The CPU does not need to hit 100% for there to be a gaming bottleneck.

 

I wouldn't match anything higher than a 1070ti with a ryzen cpu. Your setup uses under 500w

 

With the zen+ coming out you can do the following:

 

1. oc the 1700 to a higher clock (3.7-3.8) to raise the bottleneck. This clock range is still very energy/heat efficient for ryzen and won't shorten any component lifespan as long as temps are in check.

 

2. upgrade the cpu if zen+ in april.

 

[Frankenburger]

22 minutes ago, xg32 said:

the 1700 at 3.5ghz SEVERELY (i can't stress this enough) bottlenecks a 1080 ti, it will not be able to get anywhere close to 165fps on some games. What's happening is cpu bottleneck causing gpu usage to drop. The CPU does not need to hit 100% for there to be a gaming bottleneck.

Bottleneck? At 1440p or lower, sure (though not too bad compared to Intel CPUs). But that shouldn't cause the GPU to have micro stutter.

[keskparane]

I had exactly the same fan problem with the GTX 1080ti Aorus fans. No software fix would work. I eventually reflashed the gpu bios and it has been stable since.

[Froody129]

Try OCing the CPU

[r3loAded]

Maybe set in windows the High Performance plan? Worth a try if not already in High Performance.

[Eric A.]

12 hours ago, keskparane said:

I had exactly the same fan problem with the GTX 1080ti Aorus fans. No software fix would work. I eventually reflashed the gpu bios and it has been stable since.

Which BIOS version have you used F3 or F3P and do I need to use Windows safe mode or just downloading it and run as administrator will be enough? 

[Eric A.]

13 hours ago, Alex Colson said:

Out of curiosity have you tried Reseating you GPU? sometimes a simple issue can be a fix. 

I have tried to reset my GPU using DDU Is there any other way/software to do it?

[Eric A.]

14 hours ago, Shadow_Storm56 said:

Wait..... supernova... That psu has eco mode. I read about people having issues running eco mode and it letting the psu get too hot. Check that, I think that psu has it..turn it off

Mmm... nope, my PSU doesn't have any ECO mode switch 

[Eric A.]

15 hours ago, Frankenburger said:

I'm running 2x 1080Ti's off a 750w PSU. That said, no, your PSU is not the problem.

 

Since you're working with a clean install of Windows, it could be a buggy card. Did the stuttering happen before you installed the 1080Ti? If not, do you have any way of doing an exchange?

Maybe I'll try to reinstall windows but this time using a bootable USB the last time I did it was through control panel (settings on Windows 10)

[Eric A.]

6 minutes ago, Eric A. said:

Maybe I'll try to reinstall windows but this time using a bootable USB the last time I did it was through control panel (settings on Windows 10)

BTW I have updated all links to the charts I don't know why the last ones doesn't work maybe you could help me.

[Eric A.]

14 hours ago, xg32 said:

the 1700 at 3.5ghz SEVERELY (i can't stress this enough) bottlenecks a 1080 ti, it will not be able to get anywhere close to 165fps on some games. What's happening is cpu bottleneck causing gpu usage to drop. The CPU does not need to hit 100% for there to be a gaming bottleneck.

 

I wouldn't match anything higher than a 1070ti with a ryzen cpu. Your setup uses under 500w

 

With the zen+ coming out you can do the following:

 

1. oc the 1700 to a higher clock (3.7-3.8) to raise the bottleneck. This clock range is still very energy/heat efficient for ryzen and won't shorten any component lifespan as long as temps are in check.

 

2. upgrade the cpu if zen+ in april.

 

I know I won't be able to reach 165 FPS with my current CPU but my average FPS are 120 on BF1, (which are good enough for me, I'm not planning to change my CPU until 2019/2020) anyway, I will be very grateful if you could take a look to the charts I have uploaded

[xg32]

33 minutes ago, Eric A. said:

I know I won't be able to reach 165 FPS with my current CPU but my average FPS are 120 on BF1, (which are good enough for me, I'm not planning to change my CPU until 2019/2020) anyway, I will be very grateful if you could take a look to the charts I have uploaded

the charts werent working when i first looked, pubg is badly optimized so ive taken a look at the bf1 chart, there isn't anything too out of the ordinary except a possible issue with the power limit, try upping it to 125%, although i'm almost certain it's just a cpu issue. You could also try vsync and if your monitor doesn't support that, try limiting the framerate in nvidia control panel, just anything to minimize the drops.

[keskparane]

4 hours ago, Eric A. said:

Which BIOS version have you used F3 or F3P and do I need to use Windows safe mode or just downloading it and run as administrator will be enough? 

I used F3P.

 

You can run it in normal mode. I made sure that no extra software that changed settings, Aorus, Afterburner, etc... was loading on boot. But Nvidia control panel was loaded though.

 

What you have to be aware of is that there are 2 different bios depending on which port you use. And that you are supposed to unplug you monitor cable to flash the bios for that port. I did it by using the igpu while flashing. If you decide to flash both bios (not F3 & F3P but both the versions in F3P) then reboot between flashes.