Windows 7 update broken on some systems

[jagdtigger]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

In what way is it a downgrade?
 

It's an upgrade. An improvement.

Because it brings nothing new to the table, quite the contrary. Its taking away the control from users and disrespects their decisions.

[AlTech]

Just now, samcool55 said:

Well it will in 2020. Issue is that at least right now it does look like the XP disaster will happen again and much worse. Don't forget it's not only businesses that need to switch but also schools, universities, government stuff,... and most of them don't really have a budget or right people to just upgrade to something else.

idk about you, but the school I was in last year announced a plan to switch all PCs to Windows 10 and in Uni all the Uni PCs are running Up To Date Windows 10 Creators Update on modern hardware.

[AlTech]

2 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Because it brings nothing new to the table, quite the contrary. Its taking away the control from users and disrespects their decisions.

Direct X 12. Windows 10 is also a lot more lean and fast compared to Windows 7.

 

It runs modern UWP apps alongside traditional Win32 apps.

 

It has virtual desktops and so many more features.

 

The only people clinging onto Windows 7 who are not businesses genuinely do hate Windows 10 or are too nostalgic.

[samcool55]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

idk about you, but the school I was in last year announced a plan to switch all PCs to Windows 10 and in Uni all the Uni PCs are running Up To Date Windows 10 Creators Update on modern hardware.

Well yes in a university in a first world country this is quite normal, they have the resources to do this. But think about elementary schools that might only have like 1 or 2 rooms filled with computers for everyone and a few for teachers or whatever. Probably supported by 1 IT-guy.

 

Or 3rd world countries. Some of them are finally starting to have an IT-infrastructure and now they suddenly have to upgrade everything already, it's really not that easy for a lot of people.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Because it brings nothing new to the table, quite the contrary. Its taking away the control from users and disrespects their decisions.

In what sense does it bring nothing new to the table? Are you talking from a consumer standpoint or a business?

[LAwLz]

12 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Direct X 12.

Considering how inconsistent and rare that is, it's not much of a benefit.

 

12 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Windows 10 is also a lot more lean and fast compared to Windows 7.

[Citation Needed]

All benchmarks I've seen shows Windows 7 and Windows 10 performing within margin of error.

 

12 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It runs modern UWP apps alongside traditional Win32 apps.

Not relevant to people like me who gives 0 cares about UWP.

Actually, I'd say UWP is a downside because I am strictly against it and everything it stands for. I want it to die.

 

12 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

It has virtual desktops and so many more features.

Virtual desktops was one of those things that sounded cool but turned out to be fairly useless, at least to me.

I've never seen anyone use it. 

 

I'm not saying that the things you listed aren't valid reasons why some people would like to use Windows 10, but a lot of people don't care about the things you listed. Different people care about different things. Windows 10 certainly has some major drawbacks, such as the long list of ads I listed earlier in the thread. To someone who doesn't care about for example virtual desktops there might be little or no reason for them to upgrade to Windows 10.

If it offers nothing appealing, and a lot of annoying things like ads then I think it's perfectly logical and acceptable to not want to install Windows 10.

 

If I told you Ubuntu now comes with LibreOffice installed by default, would you go "oh boy, I better uninstall Windows 10 and start using Ubuntu exclusively instead!"? No? Why not? Maybe because the benefit of having LibreOffice preinstalled isn't a big enough appeal to you to make it worth the drawbacks?

Same thing with Windows 7 -> Windows 10.

 

If Microsoft had done what I suggested, actually make an OS that is unarguably the same or better in every single aspect, then you'd have a point. But that's not what they were interested in doing.

[NelizMastr]

11 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Considering how inconsistent and rare that is, it's not much of a benefit.

That, and Vulkan appears superior to DX12 while supporting Win7 and 8.1 no problem.

[JohnMiller92]

33 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Direct X 12. Windows 10 is also a lot more lean and fast compared to Windows 7.

 

It runs modern UWP apps alongside traditional Win32 apps.

 

It has virtual desktops and so many more features.

 

The only people clinging onto Windows 7 who are not businesses genuinely do hate Windows 10 or are too nostalgic.

Or, just personal preference :). For me, I've been on W7 64-bit for almost a decade now. If W10 had an Aero theme or something i'd switch, but I personally don't like the FLAT ui thing its got going.

 

 Unless hardware manufacturers stop supplying / developing drivers for W7, is when I will finally switch over.  The reason why I am hesitant to upgrade is because everything works flawlessly for me. All games and software I use work perfectly fine on my 2600k/rx 480. My philosophy is basically: If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.  It's the i7 2600k of operating systems if you will ^^. I'm riding it out until the very end!

[Arika]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

-sniiiiiip-

I either have not seen them or have not even noticed most of these. but i did go ham on disabling a lot of unnecessary stuff anyway so yay me. and the others i dont even use (cortana, inking, windows games etc)

[AlTech]

2 hours ago, JohnMiller92 said:

Or, just personal preference :). For me, I've been on W7 64-bit for almost a decade now. If W10 had an Aero theme or something i'd switch, but I personally don't like the FLAT ui thing its got going.

There's Transparency and the recent Acrylic Design stuff.

2 hours ago, JohnMiller92 said:

 Unless hardware manufacturers stop supplying / developing drivers for W7, is when I will finally switch over.  The reason why I am hesitant to upgrade is because everything works flawlessly for me. All games and software I use work perfectly fine on my 2600k/rx 480. My philosophy is basically: If it ain't broke, don't mess with it.  It's the i7 2600k of operating systems if you will ^^. I'm riding it out until the very end!

kk.

 

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Considering how inconsistent and rare that is, it's not much of a benefit.

 

[Citation Needed]

All benchmarks I've seen shows Windows 7 and Windows 10 performing within margin of error.

 

Not relevant to people like me who gives 0 cares about UWP.

Actually, I'd say UWP is a downside because I am strictly against it and everything it stands for. I want it to die.

 

Virtual desktops was one of those things that sounded cool but turned out to be fairly useless, at least to me.

I've never seen anyone use it. 

 

I'm not saying that the things you listed aren't valid reasons why some people would like to use Windows 10, but a lot of people don't care about the things you listed. Different people care about different things. Windows 10 certainly has some major drawbacks, such as the long list of ads I listed earlier in the thread. To someone who doesn't care about for example virtual desktops there might be little or no reason for them to upgrade to Windows 10.

If it offers nothing appealing, and a lot of annoying things like ads then I think it's perfectly logical and acceptable to not want to install Windows 10.

 

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

If I told you Ubuntu now comes with LibreOffice installed by default, would you go "oh boy, I better uninstall Windows 10 and start using Ubuntu exclusively instead!"? No? Why not? Maybe because the benefit of having LibreOffice preinstalled isn't a big enough appeal to you to make it worth the drawbacks?

Same thing with Windows 7 -> Windows 10.

I didn't say anything like that.

 

And that isn't really comparable to anything I said.

 

Game Mode is a feature of Windows 10. P2P updates is also an optional feature of Windows 10.  So is Cortana and Windows Inking.

 

None of those above examples are something you could install on Windows 7 if you wanted to.

 

Btw, this isn't OT but I tried Cortana on Android and oh boy does it need help. It really sucks even compared to the Windows 10 Mobile version.

 

To check what music is playing I need to speak to it instead of being able to press the song button like on Windows 10 Cortana.

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

If Microsoft had done what I suggested, actually make an OS that is unarguably the same or better in every single aspect, then you'd have a point. But that's not what they were interested in doing.

Their CEO doesn't care that much about consumers. If you want MS to change then they need a new head honcho cos their current guy is worse than Balmer imho.

[Drak3]

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Windows 10 is also a lot more lean and fast compared to Windows 7

It's faster. Noticeable on the  high end, but not really significant enough to warrant a switch.

On the low end is where Win10 performane shines.

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

It has virtual desktops and so many more features.

Nearly all of which Microsoft made first party, but exist as third party prior.

 

4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

modern UWP

Given the current selection of apps, and the limitations of UWP, having it is pretty irrelevant for most people.

[LAwLz]

39 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Game Mode is a feature of Windows 10.

Game mode has been shown to decrease performance on a lot of builds. Not something I would want. In fact, I have it turned off.

 

40 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

P2P updates is also an optional feature of Windows 10. 

I don't see why a home user would like this. All it does is hog your upload bandwidth.

 

40 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

So is Cortana and Windows Inking.

I hate Cortana, and I have never used Windows Inking because I don't have a touch screen or tablet.

 

 

41 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

None of those above examples are something you could install on Windows 7 if you wanted to.

Ehm...

Game mode -> Set process priority

Cortana -> Why would you want to?

Windows Inking -> You can use a tablet for Windows 7 too. It includes pen support as well. It might not have quite the same capabilities as in Windows 10 for things like Office, but those are rather niche cases.

 

But even that is irrelevant because you missed my point. You can list features all day if you want, but if someone doesn't use or want those features they are not a pro for Windows 10 for that particular user.

This discussion isn't about how awesome you think Windows 10 is because you love the new features. It's about what benefits it can have for another person. I can come up with a list of features in Windows 10 too, but the list of features/improvements in Windows 10 I actually care about is quite short.

 

49 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Their CEO doesn't care that much about consumers. If you want MS to change then they need a new head honcho cos their current guy is worse than Balmer imho.

Microsoft not caring about their customers is very obvious. It's nice to see that you agree on that point. Didn't expect you to say that Satya is worse than Balmer though. I thought you loved Satya.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's faster. Noticeable on the  high end, but not really significant enough to warrant a switch.

On the low end is where Win10 performane shines.

Really? I did not notice any performance difference, and benchmarks doesn't seem affected either.

 

If anything, the small glitches in Windows 10 makes it feel slower to me. My start menu sometimes glitches up and becomes slow. Explorer sometimes becomes really slow and unresponsive.

Since the last update I am having an issue where if my NAS goes into sleep, Windows 10 won't wake it up. It just says the drives are not accessible and doesn't even try to connect. I have to either try and access my NAS through my phone, tablet, TV or some other devices to wake it up, or be lucky and have Windows wake it up (only happens like 10% of the time).

 

It seems like I am far from alone in having these types of issues with Windows 10 either. Some people probably had it with Windows 7 too, but to me it seems like issues (especially start menu related ones) are far more common in Windows 10.

[Notional]

It's almost as if an 8 year old OS is obsolete.

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

snip

My dislike of Satya started not too long ago.

[LAwLz]

10 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

My dislike of Satya started not too long ago.

How come?

(Sorry for derailing but I couldn't ask in a PM, but I think this bigger news than some Windows 7 update breaking stuff).

The lack of focus on Windows Mobile?

[Cyberspirit]

17 hours ago, LAwLz said:

You could argue that using Windows 10 becomes harder and harder with every update too. It seems like every update Microsoft releases for Windows 10 adds more ads, spying, and other things you want/need to turn off.

 

I just don't get why Microsoft is so interested in user's data.

I personally love Windows 10 and, I don't really care about the whole spying.

Honestly, if Microsoft is interested in what kind of games I play or what kind of porn I watch then, they can just give me a call and I'll tell them.

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

Cortana -> Why would you want to?

Windows 7 has an equivalent for the local functionality, as part of the start menu.

 

Cortana is useful in the same scenarios as as Siri, Bixby, or Google Assistant. Some people are just lazy, and some people don't want to navigate away from what they're doing for something simple.

I use Siri and Cortana to spell words I don't know how to spell off the top of my head.

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I don't see why a home user would like this. All it does is hog your upload bandwidth.

There is the option to only use p2p on the local network, which is somewhat useful if you have a multitude of W10 machines and limited data caps or bandwidth.

 

13 minutes ago, Cyberspirit said:

why Microsoft is so interested in user's data

Advertising and bug hunting.

[AlTech]

42 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

How come?

(Sorry for derailing but I couldn't ask in a PM, but I think this bigger news than some Windows 7 update breaking stuff).

The lack of focus on Windows Mobile?

Well yeah, lack of focus on Mobile but he's pushing everything into Office 365 and pushing hard into Azure with Enterprise stuff but he's not focusing on Consumers or Windows 10.

[Doobeedoo]

Pft no issue here on XP yo. 

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Cortana is useful in the same scenarios as as Siri, Bixby, or Google Assistant. Some people are just lazy, and some people don't want to navigate away from what they're doing for something simple.

I use Siri and Cortana to spell words I don't know how to spell off the top of my head.

I wanted to be able to use Cortana actively such as in the kitchen, which its got great voice recognition. One nit picky issue I currently have with it would be whenever I try to play a song. Instead of using Groove or Spotify(Installed from store), it tells me I need iHeart radio installed Why is that a third party solution that isn't installed the goto over their own solution preinstalled on Windows.

 

Tried using commands like:

• play ____ (iHeart store page)
• play artist _____ (iHeart store page)
• using Groove, play ____ (Returns web result)
• from Groove, play ____ (Returns web result)

[Cyberspirit]

1 minute ago, Doobeedoo said:

Pft no issue here on XP yo. 

Let it go, let it go don't hold onto it anymore...

 

Seriously, as someone who refused to switch from XP for many years, I have to say that the new ones are much much better.

[Doobeedoo]

3 minutes ago, Cyberspirit said:

Let it go, let it go don't hold onto it anymore...

 

Seriously, as someone who refused to switch from XP for many years, I have to say that the new ones are much much better.

Haha, was joking. Don't have it since Vista xD. So 10y ago. Am on W10

My 15y old PC haves it, but I don't use it xD. 

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

7 hours ago, Sauron said:

Or maybe you shouldn't expect an 8 year old system to get as much support as it did when it was new. Besides, windows 7 was never exactly perfect... it was good at the time, but it came with its own share of problems. Of course this bug should be fixed, but I doubt it's a result of microsoft deliberately breaking it.

Knowing Microsoft's history of desperately pushing Windows 10 down people's mouths, I have no reason to believe why this wasn't deliberate. This isn't a case of the system not getting as much support as it's new because it can't even get previous updates. It can't even update the included IE8 to IE11.

[Sauron]

37 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Knowing Microsoft's history of desperately pushing Windows 10 down people's mouths, I have no reason to believe why this wasn't deliberate. This isn't a case of the system not getting as much support as it's new because it can't even get previous updates. It can't even update the included IE8 to IE11.

Honestly I don't see how microsoft could have affected your vanilla installation of windows 7 retroactively... unless they blocked the download mirrors, in which case I guarantee you we'd know.

[onlybuilt4cubanxlinx]

Does Windows 7 support DX11 or  DX12?