Why are mods removing Net Neutrality threads?

[D Levy]

I was replying with information on a net neutrality thread someone made a few moments ago.

And it was removed before my reply posted.

Seen a couple other net neutrality threads which magically disappeared.

This is a hot topic that affects Canada too... 

What happens in USA will trickle out to many other countries concerning this in the long run.

Preventing the conversation doesn't make sense.

 

Ivan would NOT support this censorship!

[Drak3]

Political disputes. NN is a highly polarized topic between those that hold the belief that it does something, and those that recognize that NN did jack shit overall.

[PlayStation 2]

It's all political. It's a free for all between those vehemently for or against the bill.

[D Levy]

I don't know a single fellow nerd that's for getting rid of NN... so not sure where the polarization is from or about?

[Volbet]

3 minutes ago, D Levy said:

I don't know a single fellow nerd that's for it... so not sure where the polarization is from or about?

Well, net neutrality by government mandate is a highly political topic, since it essentially boils down to whether or not changes should come from the top-down or bottom-up.

Basically, it boils down to a free market vs. controlled market argument.

 

And that's why mods remove those topics. People get their panties in a bunch and generally act like cunts when it comes to politics.

[Speedyv]

25 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Political disputes. NN is a highly polarized topic between those that hold the belief that it does something, and those that recognize that NN did jack shit overall.

There wouldn't be a dispute if it didn't do anything, would there?

[D Levy]

Just now, Volbet said:

Well, net neutrality by government mandate is a highly political topic, since it essentially boils down to whether or not changes should come from the top-down or bottom-up.

Basically, it boils down to a free market vs. controlled market argument.

See that right there... free market is not possible when barriers to entry are so incredibly high.

Research how much it would be to start your own non-wifi/non-wireless broadband based ISP.

[Volbet]

1 minute ago, D Levy said:

See that right there... free market is not possible when barriers to entry are so incredibly high.

Research how much it would be to start your own non-wifi/non-wireless broadband based ISP.

See, this is what I was talking about.

[D Levy]

4 minutes ago, Volbet said:

See, this is what I was talking about.

My response wasn't me acting "like a cunt or panties in a bunch" lol

It's a fact, I mean I don't have anything against people who want ISPs to do whatever they want.. I think it's unrealistic to expect ISPs who are self regulated to be honorable and do what's best for the customer. But apart from that, the free market argument doesn't work in oligopoly markets. This is something we learn in economy classes in college for our undergrad degrees.

 

edit:

that's all I'll say about it in this thread. lol

[Volbet]

1 minute ago, D Levy said:

My response wasn't me acting "like a cunt or panties in a bunch" lol

It's a fact, I mean I don't have anything against people who want ISPs to do whatever they want.. I think it's unrealistic to expect ISPs who are self regulated to be honorable and do what's best for the customer. But apart from that, the free market argument doesn't work in oligopoly markets. This is something we learn in economy classes in college for our undergrad degrees.

I didn't necessarily mean that you acted like a cunt, but you did take a political and economic stand on the whole net neutrality issue (even when such a response wasn't provoked nor was it necessary). 

And that means that there will be people that will disagree with you and they will at some point begin acting out, which is why it's better that these kinds of threads gets locked before shit hits the fan.

[Drak3]

27 minutes ago, Speedyv said:

There wouldn't be a dispute if it didn't do anything, would there?

Many people believe NN stops carriers from throttling, and a few other minor things. It doesn't, it stops them from charging content creators to not throttle them, which no ISP did.

And even if it were to stop all throttling, how do you prove bottlenecks are artificial throttling and not a bottleneck somewhere between you, the ISPs, and the host site? Realisitcally, you don't.

[dizmo]

Likely a combination of there already being a thread about it, and the fact that the forum isn't mature to handle such topics.

[D Levy]

Just now, dizmo said:

Likely a combination of there already being a thread about it, and the fact that the forum isn't mature to handle such topics.

Could you link the active thread please? if there's only one thread allowed, I'd like to post there some info.

[pas008]

political or not

 

this can actually affect ltt by far especially from US users

 

possibly less subscribers and less future subscribers if people are being throttled

 

should be 1 topic about it in section itself to let people know how and what they can do to stand up

 

 

[dizmo]

1 minute ago, D Levy said:

Could you link the active thread please? if there's only one thread allowed, I'd like to post there some info.

 

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13 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

it stops them from charging content creators to not throttle them, which no ISP did.

Actually ISPs did do just that when the content creator was a competitor to their own services.  This is just one of the examples

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/

 

[WkdPaul]

nah, has to do with the OP, there's no problem with talking about net neutrality, as long as there's no political discussion (as per the Community Standards) or as long as it's done in a mature and responsible manner (which wasn't the case).

 

If the OP and replies are only swears and memes, it's not a thread that's going to stay open long.

[handymanshandle]

42 minutes ago, Volbet said:

Well, net neutrality by government mandate is a highly political topic, since it essentially boils down to whether or not changes should come from the top-down or bottom-up.

Basically, it boils down to a free market vs. controlled market argument.

 

And that's why mods remove those topics. People get their panties in a bunch and generally act like cunts when it comes to politics.

it's my way or the highway y'all

LTT community during 2016 US Presidential Election Cycle

 

Tis a shame people lack the ability to resolve things in a constructive manner that leads to a peaceful resolution. I'm not talking just about online but also irl.

 

[handymanshandle]

5 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

nah, has to do with the OP, there's no problem with talking about net neutrality, as long as there's no political discussion (as per the Community Standards) or as long as it's done in a mature and responsible manner (which wasn't the case).

 

If the OP and replies are only swears and memes, it's not a thread that's going to stay open long.

Like I was saying, when it gets political people don't seem to know how to come from a point of understanding where the other(s) are coming from and throw threats and remarks towards the other for not adhering to their religion political views. It's a shame honestly.

[D Levy]

8 minutes ago, wcreek said:

Like I was saying, when it gets political people don't seem to know how to come from a point of understanding where the other(s) are coming from and throw threats and remarks towards the other for not adhering to their religion political views. It's a shame honestly.

I think that has a lot to do with the current average level of emotional intelligence,

apart from the Dunning–Kruger effect which imo is just rampant in online interactions right now in what seems like every age demographic...

the average IQ may or may not be improving with technical aspect or problem solving... 

but emotional IQ is not something that's currently tested for in standardized IQ tests.

And generally the skills to be to handle emotional stress are not taught in most circular programs.

In recent years we did the WORST possible thing to try to handle that in handing out "participation trophies"....

which completely devalued hard work and true competition among peers to improve.

That also gets rid of a situation where one can learn how to handle emotional stress.

EG.. say you train your butt off  for something... and you fail.. you then feel symptoms of depression and frustration... now that you FEEL that.. you can then LEARN to cope.

This is where your parents or teachers come in to explain/teach you how to healthily cope.

 

Ever talk with anyone from the "responsibles" age?

This was before baby boomers.

The general emotional intelligence that generation had with coping with stress was amazing.

Humanity seems to me to be declining in that ability in general since then.

Not everyone, just in general.

 

Alright so full circle... bring this back to how people handle online interaction and IRL discussions.

The ability to keep your emotions entirely in check and look at a situation from an objective and humble point of view,

that's a level of emotional intelligence that is no longer common.

And this is part of why we have the social interaction problems we have today.

[Eduard the weeb]

37 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

which no ISP did.

Verizon actually did on video streaming

@Drak3

its more about stopping something like this imo

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[killcomic]

7 hours ago, D Levy said:

 

This is a hot topic that affects Canada too... 

What happens in USA will trickle out to many other countries concerning this in the long run.

 

Really? Which countries?  Because what happens in the USA means bugger all over here.

I always hear Canadians saying that. I think it's mostly Canada, not "many other countries".

Edited November 23, 2017 by killcomic

[Not_Sean]

16 minutes ago, killcomic said:

Really? Which countries?  Because what happens in the USA means bugger all over here.

I always hear Canadians saying that. I think it's mostly Canada, not "many other countries".

New Zealand reporting it,

 

Yip beans Bugger all over here.

 

And as an South African Resident till a year ago I can safely report that Yip.. Means bugger all over there too. 

[LAwLz]

13 hours ago, D Levy said:

I don't know a single fellow nerd that's for getting rid of NN... so not sure where the polarization is from or about?

At least one of the mods is openly and strongly against net neutrality and want it abolished. 

I suspect that it has something to do with threads being deleted and locked.