HP laptop found to be running Win10 on Snapdragon

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A screenshot of a HP care package, has been leaked showing their one of their laptops to be running on a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 ARM based processor. The processor runs at 2.45GHz with 8 cores / 8 thread, built on the 10nm process, and other features like WiPower, Neural Processing Engine, and 802.11AD. The specific HP laptop model is the 2US29AV, where it will come in 2 configurations.

• Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 with 4GB of ram, 12 inch display, and 128GB of UFS storage
• Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 with 8GB of ram, 12 inch display, and 256GB of UFS storage

 

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MS have been working on windows 10 for ARM for quite a while. ultrabooks with ARM processors sound like a great idea.

[DrMacintosh]

Would be impressed if they were running on "real" ARM chips like the A series

 

 

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Now this interests me.

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[Zodiark1593]

11 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Would be impressed if they were running on "real" ARM chips like the A series

 

 

Apple doesn't share of course. If anything, blame them.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, Zodiark1593 said:

Apple doesn't share of course. If anything, blame them.

I would blame Qualcomm still for not advancing their tech further. 

 

Hell Apple was the first to introduce 64Bit ARM CPUs before anyone else. That says a lot. 

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13 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Would be impressed if they were running on "real" ARM chips like the A series

 

 

Not happening bruh. But now that you’ve mentioned it, Apple probably have some alpha stage prototypes of MacBooks running macOS with their own proprietary A10X Fusion SoCs deep down their R&D labs in the event that Intel’s roadmap became just as crappy as the now defunct PowerPC. 

 

22 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

• Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 with 4GB of ram, 12 inch display, and 128GB of UFS storage
• Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 with 8GB of ram, 12 inch display, and 256GB of UFS storage

Now it simply begs the question how good Microsoft’s optimization for their x86 emulation would be. Can Photoshop CC and other Win32 applications run just as smooth on an ARM SoC via emulation as if it’s running on a ULV core i7? 

 

At the moment, I’m not liking many of UWP apps on the Windows Store like the Netflix app which is inferior in comparison to the iOS version of Netflix. 

[Zodiark1593]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I would blame Qualcomm still for not advancing their tech further. 

 

Hell Apple was the first to introduce 64Bit ARM CPUs before anyone else. That says a lot. 

Not just Qualcomm. Samsung's custom efforts with Mongoose were not much faster than Qualcomm's, with the high end Snapdragon line typically leading in gpu performance. Basically a stalemate of no clear victor over the years with the exception of the SD810 vs Exynos.

 

Considering I'm probably not going iOS anytime soon, I have to wonder if I should even care what Apple does anymore vs just grabbing what works for me. While I'm not meaning to downplay Apple's architectural prowess by any means, but even if they achieve 4+ GHz on their current architecture, I myself don't stand to gain beyond potential recommendations to family and friends.

 

For PC use, I question whether these Cortex A73 (the so-called Kryo 280) variants are a step back from Qualcomm's original Kryo architecture. While Integer performance is improved, floating point was worsened by a significant margin, which may be more relevant in Windows than on Android. 

[DrMacintosh]

10 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

I have to wonder if I should even care what Apple does anymore vs just grabbing what works for me.

You defiantly should care. As Apple makes industry leading SoCs with better performance and lower power consumption so they can keep moving forward. These companies need more incentive to making things more efficient and to stop throwing more hardware at a software problem. 

 

Apple is the company providing that push. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, huilun02 said:

Can't wait for the day we have handheld x86 devices

I can. Its not going to be pretty. 

 

AT ALL

[D13H4RD]

Same question as I always ask.

 

How will an ARM processor handle x86 workloads?

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, huilun02 said:

Care to explain? 

software 

[D13H4RD]

6 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Can't wait for the day we have handheld x86 devices

There was one. The ASUS Zenfone 2

 

It was shite honestly. x86 and phones don’t mix well.

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Windows RT....2.0

[Zodiark1593]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

You defiantly should care. As Apple makes industry leading SoCs with better performance and lower power consumption they can keep moving forward. These companies need more incentive to making things more efficient and to stop throwing more hardware at a software problem. 

 

Apple is the company providing that push. 

What you say is mildly contradictory. Earlier you were quick to point out that Apple has the most powerful SoC on the market currently while poking at companies like Qualcomm for not improving the hardware. Then you accuse Android OEMs of throwing hardware at the problem, while neglecting to mention that Apple has been pushing the hardware side the hardest of all companies.

 

That isn't even mentioning that Android is already remarkably efficient to run competently on low end Cortex A53 SoCs. It has to, as Cortex A53 is somewhat of a Lowest (very) Common Denominator among CPUs used in smartphone SoCs.

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1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

What you say is mildly contradictory. Earlier you were quick to point out that Apple has the most powerful SoC on the market currently while poking at companies like Qualcomm for not improving the hardware. Then you accuse Android OEMs of throwing hardware at the problem, while neglecting to mention that Apple has been pushing the hardware side the hardest of all companies.

 

That isn't even mentioning that Android is already remarkably efficient to run competently on low end Cortex A53 SoCs. It has to, as Cortex A53 is somewhat of a Lowest (very) Common Denominator among CPUs used in smartphone SoCs.

Considering Android 7.1.2 still runs well on devices with 1.3GHz Tegra 3+1GB of RAM (think iPad 2 class multi core performance, except with a BIG.little design).

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5 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

What you say is mildly contradictory. Earlier you were quick to point out that Apple has the most powerful SoC on the market currently while poking at companies like Qualcomm for not improving the hardware. Then you accuse Android OEMs of throwing hardware at the problem, while neglecting to mention that Apple has been pushing the hardware side the hardest of all companies.

 

That isn't even mentioning that Android is already remarkably efficient to run competently on low end Cortex A53 SoCs. It has to, as Cortex A53 is somewhat of a Lowest (very) Common Denominator among CPUs used in smartphone SoCs.

I think it's also worth noting that the reason the A11 is so powerful is due to Apple's AR push. That insane amount of power is needed because it needs to calculate depth info amongst a heap of other things.

 

On another note, I also think Apple should focus more on software again. I know, it sounds contradictory, but iOS 11.2 is still not at the level of iOS 9 on my iPad Pro, a shame given that it had A10 Fusion levels of power 

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10 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

On another note, I also think Apple should focus more on software again.

They are definitely spread thin in the R&D department right now. 

 

Between the iPhone X, Mac, Apple Watch, iOS 11, macOS, and all their services, iOS 11 suffered some neglect. Apple knows this though and as always is working on it. 

 

We are in the iteration phase again which means R&D can switch back to software stability over new features. 

[D13H4RD]

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

They are definitely spread thin in the R&D department right now. 

 

Between the iPhone X, Mac, Apple Watch, iOS 11, macOS, and all their services, iOS 11 suffered some neglect. Apple knows this though and as always is working on it. 

 

We are in the iteration phase again which means R&D can switch back to software stability over new features. 

Hopefully. My iPad Pro definitely needs more love.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Hopefully. My iPad Pro definitely needs more love.

I have heard iOS 11 on the iPad has some issues with the Dock. 

 

On the iPhone it struggles with resource usage. Batteries are getting drained too quickly 

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24 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

On another note, I also think Apple should focus more on software again. I know, it sounds contradictory, but iOS 11.2 is still not at the level of iOS 9 on my iPad Pro, a shame given that it had A10 Fusion levels of power 

I wonder what is happening inside Apple’s software quality control? 

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, hey_yo_ said:

I wonder what is happening inside Apple’s software quality control? 

I mean tbh a lot of the issues aren't the end of the world. The biggest issues with iOS 11 have basically been patched. 

 

I think they were just rushed this year. Too much going on at the same time. They should slow down a bit.

[D13H4RD]

12 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I have heard iOS 11 on the iPad has some issues with the Dock. 

Yes! This happens far too often than I would consider acceptable.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Yes! This happens far too often than I would consider acceptable.

Unfortunately the just recent increase in iPad sales means Apple is only now going to give it more attention. But like I said, they are spread thin right now and are trying to fix everything