[added analysis] October Steam survey: Windows 10 loses 17.3% market share, Windows 7 gains 23.7% market share

[AresKrieger]

3 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

While I wouldn't doubt people went away from using Windows 10, it really does seem like people in mainland China use Windows 7.

If it can explain why the amount of English users in percentage went down, it'd likely also explain that.

Yeah looking at the numbers I'd say it had a ~3-4% legit drop possibly and the rest was China influx which would explain the drastic change.

[PlayStation 2]

Just now, AresKrieger said:

Yeah looking at the numbers I'd say it had a ~3-4% legit drop possibly and the rest was China influx which would explain the drastic change.

Even then, I'd say that's a little too high, but yeah.

[AresKrieger]

3 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Even then, I'd say that's a little too high, but yeah.

Well yes it is a rough guess on my part could be as low as a single % but there is a gap between the increase due to chinese influx and the decrease by win 10, and that is assuming no one in china has windows 10 hence the 3-4% figure I threw out, there are other variables but it does appear at least some domestic loss occurred.

[Trixanity]

Apparently Windows 10 dropped but DX12 increased. It pretty much invalidates Steam Survey as a useful tool. That obviously makes no sense.

[MrTiC]

Its pubg lel China numba wan cheats ... 

I wonder how long its gonna take china to ban steam ... like they do with everything 

[PocketNerd]

I had some initial issues with the Windows 10 upgrade (had to reinstall some drivers) but since then I've had little issues.

[Bananasplit_00]

funny how RTG cards are still labled ATI, like yah, there are probably people running ATI cards still and they are basically the same but thats going to be a smal portion of the cards. about time that they change it to RTG or Radeon, its been over 10 years since ATI were no more

[AlexGoesHigh]

its PUBG growth, read a few days ago a pcgamer article, where besides win 7 dramatic jump, chinese also jumped, and a lot, it jumped 26% more that the 22% of win7 just looks yourself here http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

and here's the pcgamer article http://www.pcgamer.com/steam-data-suggests-gamers-are-ditching-windows-10-but-theres-another-explanation/ but the gist of it is the survey page and this steam spy tweet that shows the stupid fast chinese grow for PUBG.

As for chinese sticking to win7, i dunno the reason at all, but china is also the largest, and by far, hold out in the planet for winxp users. people there just don't upgrade i guess...

 

On 11/5/2017 at 4:22 PM, MrTiC said:

Its pubg lel China numba wan cheats ... 

I wonder how long its gonna take china to ban steam ... like they do with everything 

steam in china is managed by perfect world, which are a fully local company, its probably coincidence but china usually doesn't ban stuff that local companies run or have a part in them, hell china has banned a bunch of western game but f2p chinese clones of those game are ridiculous popular. 

 

at most they could force valve and perfect world to only sell games that must be pre approved or something like that.

[Paranoid Kami]

Probably from all the Chinese users from CS:GO and PUBG

[Atmos]

1 hour ago, Syntaxvgm said:

Even though dx12 is 10 only?

 

Hahahahah get rekt MS.

 

 

Also, why 7 and not 8? 8 is faster. I typically use that with classic shell and I'm pretty happy with it. 

Because 8 was so bad that they almost immediately released a revision, 8.1

You really need to differentiate between the two because they are still separate builds of windows. One works, the other is a complete mess. but the windows 8 brand is just tainted thanks to the abysmal reception of 8.

 

None of that compares to the cluster fuck that is windows 10 though. Forced updates, ads pushed onto your start window and task bar, a pseudo-always online requirement, its just moronic. Microsoft don't seem to get it. We don't want our logins to be our emails, we don't want to be forced to do ANYTHING despite how beneficial or quick it might be, and we absolutely do NOT want ads and system locked content.

 

Eh, i'd agree with those people though, if I were to roll back I'd just go back to 7. None of my old pro keys work anymore though and I've already bought 3 w10 pro keys because activation on my machines was a colossal nightmare. Guess i'll try to get my monies worth.

[FIXXX]

So funny to read when people proselytize over Windows 10 being trash, it's akin to reading Intel vs AMD  arguments. 

Always a vocal minority, while most everyone else just uses what they have and dungiveafaq.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

Looking at those graphs, I suspect Valve has changed their survey methodology, rendering comparisons somewhat useless (even more than the Steam hardware survey usually is).

Surveys like this generally are pointless anyway, it's totally dependent on who gets the survey and who actually responds to it. Steam need to also include the number of people offered the survey, how many completed the survey and what the margin of error is.

 

Very few people actually change Windows OS without changing hardware, people who do that such as myself represent a much smaller group likely smaller than the margin of error of this survey. 

[cj09beira]

2 minutes ago, FIXXX said:

So funny to read when people proselytize over Windows 10 being trash, it's akin to reading Intel vs AMD  arguments. 

Always a vocal minority, while most everyone else just uses what they have and dungiveafaq.

and thats why microsoft gets away with it, people love being sheeps

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

and thats why microsoft gets away with it, people love being sheeps

[Syntaxvgm]

14 minutes ago, Atmos said:

Because 8 was so bad that they almost immediately released a revision, 8.1

You really need to differentiate between the two because they are still separate builds of windows. One works, the other is a complete mess. but the windows 8 brand is just tainted thanks to the abysmal reception of 8.

 

None of that compares to the cluster fuck that is windows 10 though. Forced updates, ads pushed onto your start window and task bar, a pseudo-always online requirement, its just moronic. Microsoft don't seem to get it. We don't want our logins to be our emails, we don't want to be forced to do ANYTHING despite how beneficial or quick it might be, and we absolutely do NOT want ads and system locked content.

 

Eh, i'd agree with those people though, if I were to roll back I'd just go back to 7. None of my old pro keys work anymore though and I've already bought 3 w10 pro keys because activation on my machines was a colossal nightmare. Guess i'll try to get my monies worth.

fine 8.1 

 

[Nowak]

This is definitely related to PC gaming being on the rise in Asia, mostly for PUBG. Not defending Windows 10, just looking at the market trends.

[Shakaza]

1 hour ago, Majestic said:

<-- one of those hypothetical people that went back to windows 7.

 

Win10 is buggy trash.

You're telling me. A while ago, I had an issue where if I tried to run a program that required the Redistributable Visual C++ 2015 or newer, it would always ask to install it, and then would throw an error when it tried. I scoured the web for every solution I could find, and after reaching my wit's end, I decided to reinstall Windows, and that was the only thing that worked, and was an incredible pain.

 

And, just recently, I upgraded to the Fall Creator's update, and ever since then, certain programs have been crashing, such as the ones I use for classwork and personal projects, including Autodesk Maya, Substance Painter, ZBrush, and Bitmap to Material 3. The worse bit is, they will cease to work from the moment of a crash until I restart my computer. Games are affected too, but running games before a crash occurs doesn't seem to cause it. (I'll go into greater detail if asked)

 

At this point, I am extremely tempted to go back to Windows 7, because I don't need DirectX 12, and none of Windows 10's other features are compelling enough to incentivize me to stay. I am getting sick and tired of this. I keep finding issues that no one else seems to, and it's probably not Microsoft's fault because they can't catch everything, but I have always had a far better experience with Windows 7, and even Windows 8 and 8.1, for that matter. 

 

Once Vulkan becomes mainstream, I am going to switch to either MacOS or Linux, assuming the latter becomes more user-friendly and I don't have to go through a convoluted process to install Maya and other crucial programs.

[LAwLz]

So it seems like a lot of Windows 7 users have now joined the pool of Steam survey users. Yawn...

 

7 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Surveys like this generally are pointless anyway, it's totally dependent on who gets the survey and who actually responds to it. Steam need to also include the number of people offered the survey, how many completed the survey and what the margin of error is.

 

Very few people actually change Windows OS without changing hardware, people who do that such as myself represent a much smaller group likely smaller than the margin of error of this survey. 

I don't get this (common) complaint about the Steam survey.

Yes they don't survey everyone but assuming a big enough sample size (which should be a realistic assumption to make) it should be accurate regardless. The risk of the survey ending up being biased against something particular are incredibly small once the number of surveyed reaches a decent number.

 

I agree that they should include the number of responses, but I don't get this assumption that it's biased. It seems like people mostly say that whenever they don't agree with the results (not saying you do this, but I have seen it in AMD vs Nvidia vs Intel threads).

 

"It totally depends on who gets surveyed"

No it doesn't. For each extra participant the risk of bias from the sample pool becomes smaller. Steam had over 125 million active users in 2015 and we can reasonably assume that there are more now.

Even if only 1% of users gets the survey (which I doubt consider all but two person in my group of friends has gotten it) that's probably like 1.5 - 2 million users. I haven't done the math, but if those were randomly sampled then the risk of it being biased against one particular thing should be incredibly small.

 

Yes, it is possible that the Steam survey is biased on purpose, but I don't get why so many people accuse the Steam survey of being biased and/or flawed without any evidence or rational reasons.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

funny how RTG cards are still labled ATI, like yah, there are probably people running ATI cards still and they are basically the same but thats going to be a smal portion of the cards. about time that they change it to RTG or Radeon, its been over 10 years since ATI were no more

I was going to post that it wasn't long ago AMD were still calling their cards ATI, but then I realized the 5000 series is now over 8 years old.

Time sure flies...

[leadeater]

16 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

I don't get this (common) complaint about the Steam survey.

Yes they don't survey everyone but assuming a big enough sample size (which should be a realistic assumption to make) it should be accurate regardless. The risk of the survey ending up being biased against something particular are incredibly small once the number of surveyed reaches a decent number.

I'm more complaining that we don't actually know the sample size, what if only 10 (extreme example) filled out the survey. The sample size needs to be stated.

 

Edit:

Because without it and the margin of error no one can say if the results are biased or not. It's an assumption that the participants of the survey is large enough to remove bias, I'm sure it is but statistics are pointless if they are just numbers without adhering to basic statistical practices.

 

Sorry didn't mean to imply the survey is biased just that it's based on respondents which we have no data points on to then assess the information being presented in the survey.

 

15 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Yes, it is possible that the Steam survey is biased on purpose, but I don't get why so many people accuse the Steam survey of being biased and/or flawed without any evidence or rational reasons.

If I were only to get one thing then I'd want margin of error, any changes need to be compared to that so we can tell if the change is statistically relevant or not.

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, LAwLz said:

I was going to post that it wasn't long ago AMD were still calling their cards ATI, but then I realized the 5000 series is now over 8 years old.

Time sure flies...

yah its been ages since the ATI name touched graphics cards, 5000 series support DX11 so they are probably in some amount of use still but i doubt they make up much of this survey lol

[Hellion]

On 11/5/2017 at 3:26 PM, Tedny said:

Yea, ok, only dx12 then 

For what reason?

 

There's no appreciable difference over DX11...

 

On 11/5/2017 at 3:33 PM, RandomGuy13 said:

Windows 7 now lacks features that I have become reliant on, and the same goes for windows 8.

Like what?

 

Examples?

[laminutederire]

1 hour ago, FIXXX said:

So funny to read when people proselytize over Windows 10 being trash, it's akin to reading Intel vs AMD  arguments. 

Always a vocal minority, while most everyone else just uses what they have and dungiveafaq.

Worse thing is how you get treated like an idiot if you actually enjoy w10! Even though it introduces pretty neat features. I personally really love the introduction of the Linux subsystems. You can easily compile a program with the console, while you use a 3d modelling program only available on Windows at the same time. You have the convenience of Linux whwre it is generally strong, while keeping the software support from windows without having to run more expensive vms or worse, to have to dual boot.

@Hellion, for instance this feature.

[Ryujin2003]

That's all the VM PUBG bots....

[RagnarokDel]

That's all the china farmer accounts because of PUBG.

[Bcat00]

3 hours ago, MrTiC said:

Its pubg lel China numba wan cheats ... 

I wonder how long its gonna take china to ban steam ... like they do with everything 

they will for sure to make way for their own china made version.

that's how it rolls over there.

if their own people want something, it must be made in china or be in partnership with one.