Giving up on Ryzen

[Dlog]

After picking up a Ryzen 1700 and ASUS Crosshair VI Hero back in March I'm giving up on it. The constant cold boot problems, touchy overclocking have finally done me in. Time to sell this on craigslist and move on back to Intel.

 

I'm thinking that some of these problems still exist on the other side though. My old 4790k never gave me any greif and I feel like the grass was greener.

 

I have one question for those of you running current generation Intel. What quirks are you finding and what boards are you using? I just want to be able to press the power button and boot into windows without having to restart a system 30 times and wipe the BIOS. A 5 Ghz OC would be stellar as well.

 

Just a touch of everything I've been through with this thing:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread (Giant thread of stuff)

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?93461-Sanity-Check-Boot-Failures&p=652081#post652081 (personal OC and regular boot Issues)

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?95003-Lockups-in-the-BIOS-menu&p=664556#post664556 (Nail in the coffin BIOS issues)

[NoobCase]

Didnt Asus put out a bios Update that fixes the cold boot issues? ( i might be thinking of other issues)

[SCHISCHKA]

this is why i am waiting. Never buy the first generation of any product. I learnt that when I bought my car.

[jcw150]

Have you not tried to return the board and get a replacement?

[Dlog]

On 7/28/2017 at 6:53 PM, NoobCase said:

Didnt Asus put out a bios Update that fixes the cold boot issues? ( i might be thinking of other issues)

I've gone through about 6 or 7 different BIOS revisions Beta and release. At this point I don't feel like beta testing a 4-5 month old board. 

 

On the core question. Anyone with any bad experiences running current Intel setups? Fire and forget to 5Ghz and 3200 or quirky?

 

On 7/28/2017 at 7:10 PM, jcw150 said:

Have you not tried to return the board and get a replacement?

ASUS doesn't do advanced RMA, quirky or not this thing is my daily driver. I'm looking to replace before I repeal  

[scottyseng]

21 minutes ago, Dlog said:

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Well, the newest CPU I've built for a friend is a 6600K and that was painless to OC / get working. I have to give Intel credit, they do support more RAM than Ryzen (Though Ryzen is getting better with more BIOS updates...problem is with my friends, they aren't tech people. The idea of updating the BIOS by themselves scares them so a system like Ryzen is hard to sell to them).

 

I'd also agree with the above to wait some time after launch before buying new gear (so the bugs are ironed out).

[TahoeDust]

With the amount of Ryzen love on this forum lately, this could get good...

 

[The Sloth]

ok... you had a bad experience now 1st gen product sucks, a valid conclusion to a degree, first gen product does suck. stick to mainstream for most consumers, IMO ryzen 1700 is an 8c/16t monster( a 5960x with fewer lanes and very well priced CPU), can't really compare the two terms of actual power, yes ryzen had issues when it launched, same as the x99 platform( RAM support was bad), end of the day if you can stick with all the shortcoming, in time things should be stable. 

 

IMO- most people should stick to the mainstream platform or ryzen 1400, higher end ryzen like 1700 or 1600 is more of an enthusiast grade chips.  

[Dlog]

10 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

With the amount of Ryzen love on this forum lately, this could get good...

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame the processor as much as the MOBO. The chip might have been stellar with a different board, I just don't care to waist another $150 at a gamble if $400 gets me a guarantee. 

[The Sloth]

13 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

With the amount of Ryzen love on this forum lately, this could get good...

 

...because it's good, a cut down X99 platform for fraction of the price is a no-brainer for enthusiasts. 

[AnonymousGuy]

1 hour ago, Dlog said:

On the core question. Anyone with any bad experiences running current Intel setups? Fire and forget to 5Ghz and 3200 or quirky?

Fire and forget.  If 7700K, pretty muc 100% chance it'll do 4.9Ghz.

[Dlog]

4 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Fire and forget.  If 7700K, pretty muc 100% chance it'll do 4.9Ghz.

Any MoBo recomendation from your experiance (non ASUS prefered)

[The Sloth]

12 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Fire and forget.  If 7700K, pretty muc 100% chance it'll do 4.9Ghz.

nope, most 7700k should with deledding, not a guarantee.  

 

[AnonymousGuy]

10 minutes ago, Dlog said:

Any MoBo recomendation from your experiance (non ASUS prefered)

Asus I find is the best with documentation, I went Gigabyte and generally happy.  As always, check reviews and filter out the ones bitching about DOA which happens with everyone.

 

7 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

nope, most 7700k should with deledding. 

No delid required unless you want 5Ghz with no AVX offset.  Even then Asus said 20% could do 5.0 AVX and 80% doing 5.0 with 4.8 AVX offset.  4.9 I round down to assume that's close enough makes no difference 100% coverage, probably 4.7 offset.

[The Sloth]

2 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

No delid required unless you want 5Ghz with no AVX offset.  Even then Asus said 20% could do 5.0 AVX and 80% doing 5.0 with 4.8 AVX offset.  4.9 I round down to assume that's close enough makes no difference 100% coverage, probably 4.7 offset.

not really, tim is really bad, you need some serious cooling.  

4.8GHz - top 100%

4.9GHz - top 91%

5.0GHz - top 62%

5.1GHz - top 24%

5.2GHz - top 4% 

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/i7-7700k

[mrthuvi]

24 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

nope, most 7700k should with deledding, not a guarantee.  

 

This tim issue is blown way out of proportion. This article is posted on January. 

I know for a fact that many motherboard makers were lazy and used the same voltage of Skylake overclocking settings on 7700k. Gigabye didn't roll out bios updates to adjust voltages which cut down ~15 degree until late February-March for z170/z270.

Most 7700k owners can use a top air cooler or some random 240 aio just fine.

[The Sloth]

Just now, mrthuvi said:

I know for a fact that many motherboard makers were lazy and used the same voltage of Skylake overclocking settings on 7700k. Gigabye didn't roll out bios updates to adjust voltages which cut down ~15 degree until late February-March for z170/z270.

 

2

source? 

 

[mrthuvi]

You can check bios revisions with change log on gigabytes boards. 

Edit: gamers nexus tested it and there's a 30C differences between bios revisions:

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2794-gigabyte-gaming-7-auto-vcore-update

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

You might want to state the issues you have with your board so that the buyer can avoid faulty hardware. 

[Dlog]

9 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

You might want to state the issues you have with your board so that the buyer can avoid faulty hardware. 

Fully intended to come clean on it. Side note, the latest BIOS update to 15whatever seems to have brought me back up with an oc again. Only 3 reboots. 

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

1 minute ago, Dlog said:

Fully intended to come clean on it. Side note, the latest BIOS update to 15whatever seems to have brought me back up with an oc again. Only 3 reboots. 

 

Ha, wouldn't want to be that guy that goes

 

"oh shit, I just got played" 

[Emberstone]

Shame you've had issues. My Ryzen build (with an Asus board) POST'ed on the first boot and has been great to me, though RAM was only stable at 2400 MHz until this latest BIOS update which made it rock solid at 3066 MHz. Otherwise, no issues whatsoever.

 

Before you pull the trigger and spend more money, have you contacted Asus and troubleshooted with them or tried to RMA? You may have gotten a damaged board out of the box, which can happen to any board on any platform.

[Dlog]

1 minute ago, Emberstone said:

Shame you've had issues. My Ryzen build (with an Asus board) POST'ed on the first boot, and has been great to me, though RAM was only stable at 2400 MHz until this latest BIOS update, which made it rock solid at 3066 MHz. Otherwise, no issues whatsoever.

 

Before you pull the trigger and spend more money, have you contacted Asus and troubleshooted with them or tried to RMA? You may have gotten a damaged board out of the box, which can happen to any board on any platform.

My experience with ASUS support began and ended with a representative that took a phonetic readout of my serial number as actual words. Alphaonetwobravoeight etc... after half an hour trying to give him my serial number I finally talked RMA and found out they don't do advanced RMA. After 2 previous bad ASUS boards from the Core 2 and 2nd gen I5 era I'm done with them. 

[Phate.exe]

2 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

Before you pull the trigger and spend more money, have you contacted Asus and troubleshooted with them or tried to RMA? You may have gotten a damaged board out of the box, which can happen to any board on any platform.

This.  It really sounds like OP has a defective mobo.

 

I have none of these problems with my 1600X and AB350M Pro4 with LPX 3200 running at 2933.  Haven't bothered overclocking the CPU because it's fast enough out of the box (3.7GHz) that I don't really miss that 200mhz.

[Emberstone]

6 minutes ago, Dlog said:

My experience with ASUS support began and ended with a representative that took a phonetic readout of my serial number as actual words. Alphaonetwobravoeight etc... after half an hour trying to give him my serial number I finally talked RMA and found out they don't do advanced RMA. After 2 previous bad ASUS boards from the Core 2 and 2nd gen I5 era I'm done with them. 

Damn, that's pretty nasty. And yeah, I have to agree about their support. It isn't good (I got two damaged laptops from them in a row, and they would only accept returns and not an exchange, stopped buying laptops from them after. And they are barely understandable).

 

I just went with the Asus Prime B350 Plus since it had 8 USB ports, and I need all the USB ports I can get. Lol.

 

Anyway, hopefully whatever you buy after (7700K, I assume?) works out for you. Sucks you had so many issues as Ryzen CPUs are legitimately good products.