Microsoft to begin relling out slick new "Fluent Design" UI in the fall.

[shermantanker]

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Microsoft is officially unveiling its Fluent Design System today at its Build developers conference, known previously as Project Neon. The software giant has been teasing changes to its Windows 10 design for months now, and it's now ready to detail some of the changes that are coming later this year.

As part of the Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, Microsoft is including some of this new Fluent Design System. Most of the changes include subtle additions like blur effects, which is a type of design we saw back with Windows Vista. Fluent Design System is designed to be the true successor to Microsoft's Metro design, and will appear across apps and services on Windows, iOS, and Android.

I really like this new refined direction, and only hope that it is a full conversion in the end. With elements of windows 7/8 still baked into Win10, and DPI scaling issues still persisting in areas within windows this would be a welcome change.

 

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[The Sloth]

that ad looks good, Microsoft finally started having decent ads while apple started having shitty attack ads. 

 

nice to see the new design, hopefully, they stick to it. 

[historicalpoultry]

Don't know how i feel about this... Hopefully it won't be too fidgety or overdone.

[Bwithnewcast]

It is locking you down to have a Windows environment so you can't use linux or Apple.. Apple is doing the same f*cking thing...

[Kherm]

6 minutes ago, Bwithnewcast said:

It is locking you down to have a Windows environment so you can't use linux or Apple.. Apple is doing the same f*cking thing...

What?

 

Ubuntu, Suse, and Fedora shells are coming to the Windows 10 store. 

[Delicieuxz]

It would be nice if the video actually focused on showing off the UI and not zipping between split-second glimpses, but this is obviously a teaser.

 

It looks a bit gimmicky, to me, and I'm wondering how practical it would be to have independently-moving layers in a productivity app. That stuff might just get relegated to storefront presentations.

 

Semi-transparent glassy windows might be nice for some basic Windows tools, but I think for most stuff, a solid window background is ideal, and less distracting for productivity. The glass would be fine on title bars, though, and I'm already using Aero Glass in Windows 10.

[DildorTheDecent]

oooooh nice

[ivan134]

*insert future meme

[ashypanda]

but can microsoft work on windows text rendering, as it always looks shite compared to freetype.

[Syntaxvgm]

maybe it will fix scaling

 

but

 

If I don't like it, I can be sure that MS will ram it up my butthole with no lube, and give no option to keep old UI and keep up to date. And I'm talking in the case of major usability changes not visual. 

[mynameisjuan]

I think it looks great. If they can make it looks like the shots at :57 mark then this will be a great addition.

[Not_Sean]

1 hour ago, nerdslayer1 said:

that ad looks good, Microsoft finally started having decent ads while apple started having shitty attack ads. 

 

nice to see the new design, hopefully, they stick to it. 

Their xbox 360 Standoff advert was gold, and yeah I agree apple adds are just dripping with smugness 

1 hour ago, Bwithnewcast said:

It is locking you down to have a Windows environment so you can't use linux or Apple.. Apple is doing the same f*cking thing...

Apple have always done the same thing, the fact they even are anal about NTFS files proves it* (haven't worked on mac in 3 years, could have changed) 

 

 

Are we just going to gloss over all the Halolens stuff ? That more than any new GPU/CPU is the first thing in a very very very long time i've seen as a actual game changer, so excited for it 

[scottyseng]

Yeah, I wish the video actually showed the UI in use rather than a bunch of random stuff / quickly showing the UI.

 

I think it looks nice though. I think the subtle depth shadows would be welcome to me.

[LAwLz]

Call me old fashion, but I prefer functional UIs over pretty ones, and this does not seem to focus on functionality.

So I have very mixed feelings about this.

 

Light:

Ripples when you click on a tile. I guess it's a subtle effect that gives a slight indication that you clicked on the button. So good idea.

That effect on the contact search seems horrible though. Why would you hide the grid that separates buttons until you hover over it? You're just hiding useful information for no reason (I guess the reason being "it looks cool")

 

 

Depth:

I hope that's not how the calendar looks because it's horrible. I don't want things "flying" towards me, nor do I want such low information density. You can't even see the time stamps for your activities when you're looking at a single day. How is that acceptable?

 

Not a fan of the scrolling in the store either. I really don't like when things scroll at different rates. I want to be able to predict where things are after scrolling. That's really difficult when you got like 3-4 UI elements moving at different rates from the same movement.

 

The other things move past me too fast in the video so I can't comment on that.

 

 

Motion:

Oh God no... The worst thing I know about using an interface are long draw out transitions. Why does my store balance has to start at 0 and then count up to my current fund? Why can't it just show my current account balance right away? I hope that's just an example that won't actually be implemented, because things like that pisses me off. Yes, it's only a second or two, but it's pointless. It just makes using my computer slow.

I do like the progress bars for things like the item tracking, and whatever "family stats" is though. That's really good in fact. It gives you the info you need in two forms (text and visual) while looking nice.

 

Why does the taskbar look so weird in that clip that shows taskview or whatever Microsoft calls multiple desktops? Why does it not have a clock and why does it have multiple contacts there? Please tell me that's something you can change, because it looks horrible.

I don't use the taskview so I don't care about that, but I think the "earlier" section would annoy me. I think most people open task view to change between programs, not to start programs. If you want to start a program then surely it is easier to just open the start menu and run it. Not gamble and hope that the program you want will show up among the 3 programs listed.

 

 

Materials:

Seems alright. I like transparency with frost effect because it makes it easy to tell which programs are on top of each other. I just hope they don't overdo it. It is easy that it just becomes distracting and does more harm than good.

 

 

Scale:

I don't even know what this is...

 

 

Whoever came up with this design for Explorer should get fired.

 

I know it's just a concept, but it is horrible and I don't understand why Microsoft would want to show something like this to the public. It's like if your mentally handicapped cousin draw a picture of a penis. You might tell him that's it's pretty and all, but you should not show it to millions of people.

Even if you ignore the fact like it lacking a lot of hugely important buttons (this PC and network being two major ones I can't see) it is still really bad use of space.

 

I actually took the time to put it in numbers how atrocious that design is (please remember that there is some margin of error).

Total area of window = 1191593

Title bar and options = 142672 (12%)

Side panel = 303667 (25%)

Padding, space for sorting button and other misc wasted space = 154560 (13%)

 

Actual space for the files = 590694 (<50%)

 

More than 50% of the window area in that explorer is taken up by navigation controls.

Wanna know how much area they take up in the current explorer?

About 25% for all the boarders, padding and navigation.

75% of the window is dedicated to displaying the actual files.

 

 

 

That weather app that has a cloud covering the text is retarded. I don't want stupid effects covering the text I want to read.

 

Don't like the mail app they showed. I want to be able to see where buttons end and where they begin. I don't get why they seem so obsessed with removing boarders between UI elements that are next to each other. It just makes things harder to see.

 

 

And yes, I know it's just a bunch of concepts. Some of these concepts are fundamentally flawed though and I am worried Microsoft will just go down the "it's pretty so who cares about usability" route. Trying to polish some of these concepts would be like polishing a turd.

[Hunter259]

Vista is still the best looking Windows they ever made but some of these changes are next level retarded. Like it's cool the blur is backish but it's not really Vista or 7.

[TOMPPIX]

ALL I WANT IS A SYSTEM WIDE DARK THEME!!!

[Dabombinable]

So...they want to make Windows 10 look even more bland than it does now. While decreasing the usable area of a screen so people need to buy a 4K screen to get anything done.

[shermantanker]

36 minutes ago, TOMPPIX said:

ALL I WANT IS A SYSTEM WIDE DARK THEME!!!

They need to put the dang button in the action center. Same with the new fl.ux thing.

[shermantanker]

2 things I want

 

Tabs in windows explorer...

 

some kind of a visual clipboard I can quickly pull up, and retrieve multiple copy/paste items from

[SpaceGhostC2C]

2 hours ago, nerdslayer1 said:

that ad looks good, Microsoft finally started having decent ads while apple started having shitty attack ads. 

 

I don't know if it's good in terms of getting customers, but it's pretty bad in terms of giving any info on what it actually looks like. As @Delicieuxz said, nothing relevant stayed on-screen long enough to get a sense of what it'll be like (people wearing VR headsets did, though).

[The Sloth]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I don't know if it's good in terms of getting customers, but it's pretty bad in terms of giving any info on what it actually looks like.

it's for general consumers, they just want to see a memorable ad, remember the surface studio ad, people were searching for that ad. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, nerdslayer1 said:

it's for general consumers, they just want to see a memorable ad, remember the surface studio ad, people were searching for that ad. 

I have no clue what you are talking about, but I'll take your word for it.

[vorticalbox]

12 minutes ago, shermantanker said:

2 things I want

 

Tabs in windows explorer...

 

some kind of a visual clipboard I can quickly pull up, and retrieve multiple copy/paste items from

both on these are on ubuntu. Nautilus has tabs and there is this https://launchpad.net/glipper.

[shermantanker]

10 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

both on these are on ubuntu. Nautilus has tabs and there is this https://launchpad.net/glipper.

There isn't any remote possibility that my workflow could be done an anything other then windows.

[vorticalbox]

Just now, shermantanker said:

There isn't any remote possibility that my workflow could be done an anything other then windows.

that's a shame