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AM4 mobo's BIOS performance bias?!

zMeul
By zMeul
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1 minute ago, Liltrekkie said:

 

For a press CPU thing such as this it makes sense. It takes away any variables with scores. One run Windows might say "meh all you need is 80% clock speed" and another run it gives you 100% of your clock speed. 

 

Change your windows power settings and allow the minimum processor state to be 0%, then go to task manager and look at the performance tab.  You'll see the clock speed jump around depending on your task. Just writing this post my AMD x6 1055t is jumping between 1.2 GHZ to 3.2GHZ (it's max bclock OC speed) And itll continue to jump around even during a benchmark or gaming. 

 

Bud, you keep trying to give me a class on something I already know.  If I'm benchmarking, SpeedStep, Speed Shift, C-States and all other bullshit is disabled.  No need to mess with Windows Power savings features then as they have no impact on clock speed once power savings features are firmware disabled.  Reviewer know how to do this on both the firmware and software (Window's Power Savings feature) side.  It's never been an issue in the past, but apparently it is now.

 

It still remains interesting that it's specific to each benchmark.  

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To me this is like steroids to boost performance

 

If bias has been used for amds released benches its wrong

They should offer this bias to Intel too, keep the playing field and variables on equal ground

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2 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Yeah but why is this news?

I think, eh I, hang on

 

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Okay, maybe the implication is that he thinks the BIOS setting is going to skew benchmarks....?

 

CALM DOWN, I KNOW IT'S A STRETCH

 

BUT IT'S zMEUL, calm down, his mind works in mysterious ways. I'm SURE there's supposed to be some kind of jab at AMD in here, but I think this one is going to be too thin to even identify. I'm sorry, I did my best to try and decipher what's so bad about this.

In case the moderators do not ban me as requested, this is a notice that I have left and am not coming back.

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1 minute ago, That Norwegian Guy said:

I think, eh I, hang on

 

 

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH

 

Okay, maybe the implication is that he thinks the BIOS setting is going to skew benchmarks....?

 

CALM DOWN, I KNOW IT'S A STRETCH

 

BUT IT'S zMEUL, calm down, his mind works in mysterious ways. I'm SURE there's supposed to be some kind of jab at AMD in here, but I think this one is going to be too thin to even identify. I'm sorry, I did my best to try and decipher what's so bad about this.

Ok so I am not the only one. It isn't like they changed the physical CPUs or programs. 

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1 hour ago, Bouzoo said:

Afaik the Rampage VI is the highest end MBO currently available with AM4? And that guily Linus puppy face beg...

Intel boards have the "Rampage" (Extreme platform) and "Maximus" (mainstream platform) naming scheme.

 

It is "Crossblade" (APU, FM2+) and "Crosshair" (AM# sockets) for AMD.

 

As of now, the "mid level" Crosshair VI Hero is available for socket AM4; Formula and Extreme versions should come out later on...

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Just now, -rascal- said:

Formula and Extreme versions should come out later on...

 

I sure hope that's true as I think it's crap that the Formula and Code equivalents weren't available for launch.

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Just now, -rascal- said:

Intel boards have the "Rampage" (Extreme platform) and "Maximus" (mainstream platform) naming scheme.

 

It is "Crossblade" (APU, FM2+) and "Crosshair" (AM# sockets) for AMD.

 

As of now, the "mid level" Crosshair VI Hero is available for socket AM4; Formula and Extreme versions should come out later on...

Yea, I meant Crosshair, my bad. -_-

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2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

Bud, you keep trying to give me a class on something I already know.  If I'm benchmarking, SpeedStep, Speed Shift, C-States and all other bullshit is disabled.  No need to mess with Windows Power savings features then as they have no impact on clock speed once power savings features are firmware disabled.  Reviewer know how to do this on both the firmware and software (Window's Power Savings feature) side.  It's never been an issue in the past, but apparently it is now.

 

It still remains interesting that it's specific to each benchmark.  

 

Not everyone who may read this will understand though. Just because you know, doesn't mean the next guy who reads this will know it too. Not everyone knows this stuff like we do. It's easier to explain once and assume someone else will read though all this garbage. 

 

And yes, sure, you and I may go through the extra steps and disable all that crap, but Ryzen is a new CPU, we honestly don't know how windows handles these kinds of test and press CPU's. 

 

Some extra assurance never hurt anyone. 

Do you even fanboy bro?

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2 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

With what evidence? A single person showing a bios of a platform that no one has? 

I typically respect your opinions but youre hella jumping the gun here. 

You typically respect his opinions? :D

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I mean this can't be any worse than Intel having benchmark developers run their software through special compilers that made them favor Intel processors right...

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3 minutes ago, ivan134 said:

You typically respect his opinions? :D

Well. Compared to some other users hes at least got some sense about him. 

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15 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Ok so I am not the only one. It isn't like they changed the physical CPUs or programs. 

The only way anyone will know anything is to have an independent source run the programs with it enabled to that specific program and then with it disabled for each of the programs to see what it truly does. zMeul is just jumping the gun at a screenshot without any other information to back any of his speculation up, in typical zMeul fashion...

 

I'm sure that GamersNexus would point something like this out in their official review if it's something that skews results. One thing they are very rigorous about is their benchmarking procedure.

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2 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

The only way anyone will know anything is to have an independent source run the programs with it enabled to that specific program and then with it disabled for each of the programs to see what it truly does. zMeul is just jumping the gun at a screenshot without any other information to back any of his speculation up, in typical zMeul fashion...

 

I'm sure that GamersNexus would point something like this out in their official review if it's something that skews results. One thing they are very rigorous about is their benchmarking procedure.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Does the NDA lift at 12:00PM?

6 hours from now? (PST)?

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Does the NDA lift at 12:00PM?

The time I heard being thrown around was 9:00AM Central time.

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Just now, MakeAMDGreatAgain said:

6 hours from now? (PST)?

Ok

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2 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

I'm sure that GamersNexus would point something like this out in their official review if it's something that skews results. One thing they are very rigorous about is their benchmarking procedure.

 

I like GN for the most part, but you definitely can't argue with their impartiality. Spot on there. 

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Just now, imreloadin said:

The time I heard being thrown around was 9:00AM Central time.

Oh what. That is good

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Just now, imreloadin said:

The time I heard being thrown around was 9:00AM Central time.

It's 6:19 PM PST here, how many hours until 9:00AM CT?

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

I like GN for the most part, but you definitely can't argue with their impartiality. Spot on there. 

Exactly, if it was financially feasible I'm sure they'd do all of their benchmarking in a temperature controlled chamber lol.

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

2200 Zulu time? 

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There is no reason for their to be a fuss. These are basically just presets for BIOS that anyone could manually do him or herself.

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3 minutes ago, MakeAMDGreatAgain said:

It's 6:19 PM PST here, how many hours until 9:00AM CT?

Pacific time is 2 hours behind Central time so if it's true that it's 9:00AM CT tomorrow then it'd lift at 7:00AM Pacific time.

EDIT: That is 7:00AM as in 7 in the morning tomorrow lol.

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Just now, imreloadin said:

Pacific time is 2 hours behind Central time so if it's true that it's 9:00AM CT tomorrow then it'd lift at 7:00AM Pacific time.

WTF! Why did that person on the last page say "just in a few hours" lol, more like freaking 12!

"Ryzen is doing really well in 1440p and 4K gaming when the applications are more graphics bound" - Dr. Lisa Su, 2017

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