AM4 mobo's BIOS performance bias?!

[Dabombinable]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

I dunno about that

but I provided a very recent example of what happened less than 1y ago

Pretty much I just have to play any game for an hour or 2 with any overclock and instability starts to show. And I know that at least some GTX 980 G1 Gaming owners have the same problem as well (part of it is the abysmal ASIC quality-the cards can in some instances exceed the default power limit at stock due to requiring a higher voltage and therefore consuming more power than most GTX 970/980)

[Notional]

1 minute ago, MakeAMDGreatAgain said:

Hmm no way to change it on that page.

Just checked. If Google's time converter is correct, it should be right.

[Bouzoo]

6 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

Linus living up to his reputation (it isn't off-topic, shows that LTT has Asus motherboards so should have access to this feature)

Afaik the Rampage VI is the highest end MBO currently available with AM4? And that guily Linus puppy face beg...

[MakeAMDGreatAgain]

1 minute ago, Notional said:

Just checked. If Google's time converter is correct, it should be right.

Hmm. I'm trying to change it to 9:00 AM CT, but cannot find an option for it:

 

 

9:00AM is only Alaska?

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

@_@ confused. 

 

Im saying that the performance bias seen in that tweet is likely the same as in the server board. 

 

Whats this about super micro?

he linked a mobo from SuperMicro that has Performance Bias in the BIOS settings

 

the difference between these and the current issue is that those mobos do not list settings for select benchmarks

[TigerHawk]

Does it get a gaming mode? to emphasize IPC for gaming? I'm fine with that lol.

[Curufinwe_wins]

50 minutes ago, Rangaman42 said:

But how would this work? Surely the only way to improve performance would be upping the clock speed? Every other factor is fixed. So wouldn't it be better to just have the board apply an overclock and leave it?

cache speed can also be increased... extra silicon units that aren't used by each workload could be disabled, thus allowing more stability for that particular one (like how AVX2 workloads are much harder to be stable than standard ones.)

[HelplmChoking]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

cache speed can also be increased... extra silicon units that aren't used by each workload could be disabled, thus allowing more stability for that particular one (like how AVX2 workloads are much harder to be stable than standard ones.)

 

Just seems weird to not have everything turned up to start with.

[Curufinwe_wins]

Just now, Rangaman42 said:

Just seems weird to not have everything turned up to start with.

 Except that by turning some things off... other things can run faster and easier....

 

Just like how disabling 7 "cores" of a 8350 lets you hit over 8GHz on LN2...

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Rangaman42 said:

Just seems weird to not have everything turned up to start with.

the package has a TDP limit

if you do this sort of trickery you can force IDLE sections of the CPU to increase performance of other sections while maintaining same TDP envelope - but this cannot be normally achieved

[cj09beira]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

the package has a TDP limit

if you do this sort of trickery you can force IDLE sections of the CPU to increase performance of other sections while maintaining same TDP envelope - but this cannot be normally achieved

thats clock gating right?, isnt ryzen already doing that

[goodtofufriday]

17 minutes ago, zMeul said:

he linked a mobo from SuperMicro that has Performance Bias in the BIOS settings

 

the difference between these and the current issue is that those mobos do not list settings for select benchmarks

Ohhhhhhjhhhhhhh i did not realize its actually listing benchmark names..... 

 

Well then. Yeah thats pretty indicative of the whole gpu thing... 

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

thats clock gating right?, isnt ryzen already doing that

the idea is similar but clock gating is used to save power not to increase performance

[Curufinwe_wins]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

the idea is similar but clock gating is used to save power not to increase performance

Not to mention that there is no particular reason AMD couldn't go a step farther and disable extraneous silicon for those programs, increasing stability in the process (like AVX support).

[Misanthrope]

This is why we don't preorder or trust Youtubers blindly.

[zMeul]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

Not to mention that there is no particular reason AMD couldn't go a step farther and disable extraneous silicon for those programs, increasing stability in the process (like AVX support).

typical workloads don't use only AVX or only FP units - only benchmarks do that 

[Curufinwe_wins]

11 minutes ago, zMeul said:

typical workloads don't use only AVX or only FP units - only benchmarks do that 

Actually a well designed game would make extensive (almost extreme) use of AVX code... But most of them are not well designed...

[goodtofufriday]

I tweeted at linustech. Curious for a reply. Im fine with cherry picked cpus but this is where I draw the line. 

[MorganO]

Who is to blame for this AMD or ASUS?

[Ryujin2003]

1 hour ago, SamStrecker said:

Yeah but why is this news?

Because many h8ters are going to say this is why Ryzen performed as it did during their benchmarks in order to boost sales, essentially lying to the consumer base, and Intel is still supreme. *add salt here*

[Qwweb]

Just now, KOMTechAndGaming said:

Who is to blame for this AMD or ASUS?

Good question, I don't know cause ASUS has nothing to gain from pulling something like this but AMD has no real influence over ASUS.

 

[MorganO]

1 minute ago, Qwweb said:

Good question, I don't know cause ASUS has nothing to gain from pulling something like this but AMD has no real influence over ASUS.

 

Im probably most likely blame asus for this tbh, they did it with the gpus for reviews 

[done12many2]

4 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Because many h8ters are going to say this is why Ryzen performed as it did during their benchmarks in order to boost sales, essentially lying to the consumer base, and Intel is still supreme. *add salt here*

 

I would agree with this if it turns out to be a means of boosting benchmark scores.  AMD haters will say that it's complete bullshit.  AMD fans will say that if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'.   

[BuckGup]

9 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Because many h8ters are going to say this is why Ryzen performed as it did during their benchmarks in order to boost sales, essentially lying to the consumer base, and Intel is still supreme. *add salt here*

What that is was OCed??? What am I missing

[pyrojoe34]

Translation:

 

"Prepare the popcorn, Ryzen tests will be fun. A little taste of the latest ASUS press BIOS. "Auto" is of course the default."