AMD ramping up Ryzen flagship clockspeeds as we move closer to launch

[leadeater]

Just now, lots of unexplainable lag said:

I was talking more like Zen performance with some form of iGPU. The APUs aren't exactly powerhouses like Intel's -HQ scheme.

Ah right, would that not be the Zen APUs though? I mean it's just a name that AMD uses for CPUs that have iGPUs, Intel just doesn't bother with their own silly term.

[captain cactus]

1 minute ago, leadeater said:

Ah right, would that not be the Zen APUs though? I mean it's just a name that AMD uses for CPUs that have iGPUs, Intel just doesn't bother with their own silly term.

Are the newest Bristol Ridge APUs also on a Zen architecture then? I thought they weren't. They don't seem to be from what I've read.

[Humbug]

7 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Are the newest Bristol Ridge APUs also on a Zen architecture then? I thought they weren't. They don't seem to be from what I've read.

nope they aren't Zen. They are excavator. They just work on the same AM4 socket as Zen.

 

Zen is launching on high end desktop first. Server and APU parts will follow.

[leadeater]

8 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Are the newest Bristol Ridge APUs also on a Zen architecture then? I thought they weren't. They don't seem to be from what I've read.

No they still use old architecture, old as in not Zen.

 

There will be Zen APUs though and they sound fairly good, proof will be in the pudding though.

 

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AMD's next-gen APU is a CPU/GPU in one, versus the Polaris-based Radeon Pro 400 series GPU inside of the new MacBook Pro. The new APU from AMD mixes the upcoming next-gen Zen CPU architecture with Radeon Technologies Groups' next-gen Vega GPU architecture into a single, low-powered, monster APU.   This means we can expect much better performance from the Zen and Vega-powered Raven Ridge APU, as the respective CPU and GPU architectures are expected to be much better than what's available right now.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54721/amds-next-gen-apu-zen-cpu-cores-vega-gpu-hbm2/index.html

 

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Little bit more info from the link

 

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According to the latest report from Bitsandchips.it, AMD is working on a few Raven Ridge APUs - with the higher-end model featuring a 1024-core Vega GPU with HBM2, 16 CUs, DDR4 support, with Zen CPU cores (4 x CPU cores, 4 x - and it all arrives in TDPs of between 35-95W.

 

The lower-end version loses the HBM2 technology and kicks the Vega GPU from 16CUs on the high-end model, to 12 CUs on the lower-end model. The 170mm² part will have a TDP of 4-35W, with both versions of the Raven Ridge APUs being made on the 14nm FinFET process.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54721/amds-next-gen-apu-zen-cpu-cores-vega-gpu-hbm2/index.html

[Castdeath97]

2 hours ago, JoaoPRSousa said:

We can always overclock them so... What's the point?

No garbage Intel Z limitations. Mid tier boards can overlook!

[captain cactus]

8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

No they still use old architecture, old as in not Zen.

 

There will be Zen APUs though and they sound fairly good, proof will be in the pudding though.

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54721/amds-next-gen-apu-zen-cpu-cores-vega-gpu-hbm2/index.html

 

Edit:

Little bit more info from the link

 

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/54721/amds-next-gen-apu-zen-cpu-cores-vega-gpu-hbm2/index.html

APUs with Zen+Vega and HBM all on a single package.

[Guest]

The higher the stock clocks that will ship means the higher the TDP. 

 

 

[RagnarokDel]

2 hours ago, DELTAprime said:

This still doesn't give me confidence that they will have a SKU that can outperform a 7700k @5ghz for gaming.

It doesnt need to beat a 7700k at 5Ghz lol.

[captain cactus]

2 minutes ago, Alexokan said:

The higher the stock clocks that will ship means the higher the TDP. 

 

 

Not always the case. Their first engineering sample that they demoed did 3 GHz at probably a higher TDP since it was never getting to market at that clockspeed. Now we're up to 3.6 GHz at a 95W TDP.

[Space Reptile]

9 minutes ago, RagnarokDel said:

It doesnt need to beat a 7700k at 5Ghz lol.

i might also add that at 3.4ghz and no boost it was beating/on par w/ the 6900 , what will it do at 4ghz+??? 

 

who knows , i cant wait for benchmarks 

[LukaH]

if this is true and the TDP is the same man will upgrading to ryzen be that more satisfying cant wait 

[ApolloFury]

3 hours ago, 3DOSH said:

It well not in very heavy single threaded games,  but if you look at the  benchmarks for the latest games you well find that they scale pretty well with 4+ cores

Ex: watchdogs 2, battlefield 1

Even Dragon Age Inquisition, a 2014 game, stresses my i7 6700K a lot, 40-70% CPU usage (On all threads). Games on Frostbite engine are well optimised.

[2FA]

Nice! I hope there are decent ITX boards so I can upgrade my i5 to either the 6c or 8c.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Nice! I hope there are decent ITX boards so I can upgrade my i5 to either the 6c or 8c.

I'm in this boat. 

 

ITX support is necessary. I remember a long time ago they said something about having no intention on supporting ITX. 

[2FA]

5 minutes ago, Alexokan said:

I'm in this boat. 

 

ITX support is necessary. I remember a long time ago they said something about having no intention on supporting ITX. 

This article (http://en.yibada.com/articles/173075/20161114/amd-zen-amd-naples-amd-cpu-amd-zen-cpu-amd-x86-zen.htm) showed an ITX board, most likely the ROG Crosshair Impact VI.

[DELTAprime]

25 minutes ago, RagnarokDel said:

It doesnt need to beat a 7700k at 5Ghz lol.

Yes it does need to beat the 7700k @5ghz. That is the best GAMING CPU today and I'm buying the best gaming CPU, not a media encoding CPU.

[captain cactus]

1 minute ago, DELTAprime said:

Yes it does need to beat the 7700k @5ghz. That is the best GAMING CPU today and I'm buying the best gaming CPU, not a media encoding CPU.

So you're going for a $350 CPU even though the $150 competition which is also unlocked (assuming the 4c/8t Ryzen CPU is that, I'm going for a $180 price tag) performs at or 3 fps from that level.

 

???

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, DELTAprime said:

Yes it does need to beat the 7700k @5ghz. That is the best GAMING CPU today and I'm buying the best gaming CPU, not a media encoding CPU.

I highly doubt it will beat a 7700k at 5 GHz. 

 

It will probably be within ~10% stock for stock (in gaming). 

[goodtofufriday]

Wont be better than my 4.7ghz 9590. More MHZ more power right?!

 

/s

 

 

Excited for a new amd cpu. that is all

[captain cactus]

3 minutes ago, Alexokan said:

I highly doubt it will beat a 7700k at 5 GHz. 

 

It will probably be within ~10% stock for stock (in gaming). 

5Ghz 7700K vs 4.5 GHz Ryzen stock for stock? More like within 5%.

 

Remember, there's this thing called price/performance. Intel isn't very good at that, not with a 4c/8t Ryzen CPU for under $180.

[2FA]

4 minutes ago, Alexokan said:

I highly doubt it will beat a 7700k at 5 GHz. 

 

It will probably be within ~10% stock for stock (in gaming). 

First off, we don't know how well Kaby Lake will overclock for the majority of consumers.

 

Second, it has identical IPC to Skylake so clock for clock Ryzen will be within 5%.

[DELTAprime]

6 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

So you're going for a $350 CPU even though the $150 competition which is also unlocked (assuming the 4c/8t Ryzen CPU is that, I'm going for a $180 price tag) performs at or 3 fps from that level.

 

???

 

2 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

5Ghz 7700K vs 4.5 GHz Ryzen stock for stock? More like within 5%.

 

Remember, there's this thing called price/performance. Intel isn't very good at that, not with a 4c/8t Ryzen CPU for under $180.

I no longer give a fuck about price, that burnt me when GTA V bottlenecked on my 6600k. I'm getting the best.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

5Ghz 7700K vs 4.5 GHz Ryzen stock for stock? More like within 5%.

 

Remember, there's this thing called price/performance. Intel isn't very good at that, not with a 4c/8t Ryzen CPU for under $180.

That wasn't the argument. Taking a comment out of context is a good way for it not being applicable to the context you're using it in. 

 You have no idea either, so don't state it like it's fact. 

4 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

First off, we don't know how well Kaby Lake will overclock for the majority of consumers.

 

Second, it has identical IPC to Skylake so clock for clock Ryzen will be within 5%.

No it doesn't. 

[2FA]

2 minutes ago, Alexokan said:

No it doesn't. 

My comment on IPC was about Kaby Lake's IPC.

 

Every reviewer has determined that Kaby Lake's IPC is identical Sky Lake's.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/12/09/intel_kaby_lake_core_i77700k_ipc_review/6#.WG-s_hsrKUk

[Vode]

4 hours ago, Humbug said:

Yes

 

But 4Ghz+ versions may slightly exceed originally planned 95 watt TDP... still more efficient than Intel though.

*Only at Blender and Handbrake.

 

I'm exited for the other benchmark though!