AMD Announces 'FreeSync 2'

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Swatson said:

Are you 12?

Are you? 

 

Where are you planning to go with a question like that? 

[Fetzie]

7 minutes ago, zMeul said:

you are adding fantesy into the mix

can you point me to where in those slides it sais Adaptive Sync?

Right where it says "freesync transport layer". Note that it doesn't say "freesync 2 transport layer".

 

Anyway, apparently the NDA is lifted today, so we won't have to wait too long until we can see all of the slides.

[porina]

Let's look at HDMI as a parallel example. There are various version of HDMI standard. If you want HDR over HDMI, you need HDMI 2.0a. They didn't call it HDMI+HDR or similar.

 

Freesync and VESA Adaptive-sync is a more complicated thing. AMD did come up with it, when they then submitted it freely to a standards body so anyone could use it if they wanted to. By calling it Freesync 2, not adaptive-sync 2, I think implies that for now it is an AMD only extension. They may or may not be putting it into a future revision of the standard.

[Guest Kloaked]

38 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

What is wrong with the name?

Other than it sounding like the "cheap" version of Adaptive Sync? They need to just change the name to something 3edgy5me like the rest of their product names and then just advertise which products have the update instead of saying "FreeSync 2". It's not confusing, it's just lame and unnecessary.

[VerticalDiscussions]

We need more affordable G-Sync monitors....

 

Or at least a new G-Sync technology for sure, but more widespread onto all style categories ("bezeless", ultrawides, 4K, etc)

 

Also, where are the QHD bezeless 27 inch monitors already? Guys, this IS 2017!!!!!!!!!

 

I know it just started :(, but im sure we wont see anything relevant... Smartphones are evolving way faster than monitors are and it makes no sense!

[S w a t s o n]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

Let's look at HDMI as a parallel example. There are various version of HDMI standard. If you want HDR over HDMI, you need HDMI 2.0a. They didn't call it HDMI+HDR or similar.

 

Freesync and VESA Adaptive-sync is a more complicated thing. AMD did come up with it, when they then submitted it freely to a standards body so anyone could use it if they wanted to. By calling it Freesync 2, not adaptive-sync 2, I think implies that for now it is an AMD only extension. They may or may not be putting it into a future revision of the standard.

Note that they used a letter and didn't call it HDMI 3. HDMI 2 was a direct upgrade to the functionality of HDMI in terms of bandwith, but adding HDR wasnt different enough to make it HDMI 3.

[zMeul]

6 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Freesync = adaptive sync

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSync

The fact it now has a 2 behind the name doesn't change the meaning of Freesync...

 

Hey i applied logic! Maybe you should start doing the same >_>

yeah ... you're fantasizing too

 

the original FreeSync is AMD's implementation of VESA's Adaptive Sync, and I haven't said otherwise

but!! "FreeSync 2" has absolutely nothing to do with Adaptive Sync - that's the part you have difficulty understanding

 

if AMD's marketing department task was to create confusion, achievement unlocked

but they were just utterly stupid, like they always are

[Fetzie]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

Let's look at HDMI as a parallel example. There are various version of HDMI standard. If you want HDR over HDMI, you need HDMI 2.0a. They didn't call it HDMI+HDR or similar.

 

Freesync and VESA Adaptive-sync is a more complicated thing. AMD did come up with it, when they then submitted it freely to a standards body so anyone could use it if they wanted to. By calling it Freesync 2, not adaptive-sync 2, I think implies that for now it is an AMD only extension. They may or may not be putting it into a future revision of the standard.

I think it is fairly inevitable that this will be adopted PDQ into the VESA Adaptive Sync spec as "Adaptive Sync 2".

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

We need more affordable G-Sync monitors....

 

Well, this is Nvidia we are talking about. The company of raising prices and broken driver updates. (its a joke people, dont get upset) 

[Energycore]

Well they didn't iterate on Freesync. They just added support for HDR. Why not just come out and say hey, now Freesync works with HDR with a lot less latency! (compatible monitor and GPU required)

31 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

Microsoft added "Aero now works" to Vista and called it "Windows 7" /shrug.

Touché.

[Fetzie]

6 minutes ago, zMeul said:

but!! "FreeSync 2" has absolutely nothing to do with Adaptive Sync

How do you know this? Show me from the information in those slides that FreeSync 2 has nothing to do with AMD's variable refresh rate solution. You're just splitting hairs over the VESA spec and AMD's implementation thereof.

 

Yes, this is not YET part of the VESA spec for Adaptive Sync. If you don't think that it will be adopted before too long you're just delusional. VESA wants to push HDR support. Currently, HDR support precludes the usage of VRR. Therefore HDR support will be added to their VRR specification. Thus, this will be part of Adaptive Sync, and not just an EXTENSION of FreeSync (an implementation of VRR via Adaptive Sync).

 

Heck, that might just be on a slide that wasn't leaked...

[Energycore]

5 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

We need more affordable G-Sync monitors....

Affordable Gsync is called Freesync

Gsync can't be made to cost much less, nor the same as Freesync, because it requires the sale of an additional chip for monitor makers, plus the R&D budget to make it work.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Fetzie said:

How do you know this? Show me from the information in those slides that FreeSync 2 has nothing to do with AMD's variable refresh rate solution. You're just splitting hairs over the VESA spec and AMD's implementation thereof.

 

Yes, this is not YET part of the VESA spec for Adaptive Sync. If you don't think that it will be adopted before too long you're just delusional. VESA wants to push HDR support. Currently, HDR support precludes the usage of VRR. Therefore HDR support will be added to their VRR specification. Thus, this will be part of Adaptive Sync, and not just an EXTENSION of FreeSync (an implementation of VRR via Adaptive Sync).

oh right .. so I'm the one fabricating "facts" to fit the narrative 

[Energycore]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

oh right .. so I'm the one fabricating "facts" to fit the narrative 

Yes, that's what you're famous for

[samcool55]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

yeah ... you're fantasizing too

 

the original FreeSync is VESA's Adaptive Sync, and I haven't said otherwise

but!! "FreeSync 2" has absolutely nothing to do with Adaptive Sync - that's the part you have difficulty understanding

 

if AMD's marketing department task was to create confusion, achievement unlocked

but they were just utterly stupid, like they always are

Freesync is developed on the Adaptive sync part of the VESA standard, it's not exactly the same because validation and stuff...

And if freesync 2 doesn't have anything to do with freesync, then why would this even be a thing?

They already announced HDR support during the polaris launch, so again if this is not about freesync they would just announce the same thing they announced months ago...

 

Amd has freesync, their cards have HDR support, so it would make sense they release a newer version of freesync with HDR support.

[Doobeedoo]

It's great, having HDR freesync monitor with low input lag and no additional latency cause of HDR support. Looking forward seeing monitors this year, great to see them evolving more. Maybe OLED one? Heh, doubt it though. 

 

And c'mon, there were actually confusing namings out there that it wasn't mentioned much. Just for example, like USB 3.1/Type-C and all that, it's way more consumer thing that a freaking gaming monitor and way confusing for people. One who is looking for expensive gaming HDR monitor will have more than 2 brain cells to know what it is.

 

 

[Fetzie]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

oh right .. so I'm the one fabricating "facts" to fit the narrative 

This is part of AMD's implementation of Variable Refresh Rate. Can we at least agree on that?

 

Look at it this way:

 

import vesa.specs.AdaptiveSync;

class FreeSync extends AdaptiveSync {

 

}

 

----------

 

import vesa.specs.AdaptiveSync;

import amd.specs.FreeSync;

class FreeSyncTwo extends FreeSync {

 

}

 

 

[Citadelen]

An interesting name choice, when something like Freesync+ just sounds better and is more representative of a smallish change. 

[Liltrekkie]

I'm confused, is this saying you can use the variable refresh rate of FreeSync and HDR at the same time? If so, cool, then it would make sense to use the Freesync 2 name. 

 

If it does not, then they should call it something like AMD HDR uber leet middle finger to you nvidia edition. 

 

Honestly people, everyone is getting upset over the same and some slides, but obviously they don't cover every little change in the slides. Every company does this even Nvidia. They showcase the good stuff on the slides then a while later go oh wait yeah we did this too and now everything we said on the slides makes sense. 

 

So. Instead of complaining about all the slides and the lack of information on how it pertains to FreeSync we wait until more information is released?

 

Note to everyone reading my reply, i also think at first glance the name sucks eggs.

[MoonSpot]

55 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Is counting really that confusing?

My counting performance gets throttled by more than 50% when I have socks and a pair of pants on.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, MoonSpot said:

My counting performance gets throttled by more than 50% when I have socks and a pair of pants on.

Kya! 

[patrickjp93]

And this is why Gsync is superior. The FPGA module can be reprogrammed to handle this much faster than the GPU possibly can. The latency will be far less and the operation far less expensive to the GPU.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

And this is why Gsync is superior.

Its also way more expensive and doesn't work without an Nvidia GPU. This is why FreeSync is doing better, its cheaper and works with any GPU brand. 

 

FreeSync 1

GSync 0

[TheRandomness]

3 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

And this is why Gsync is superior. The FPGA module can be reprogrammed to handle this much faster than the GPU possibly can. The latency will be far less and the operation far less expensive to the GPU.

But then it costs more.. a lot more, sometimes.

 

Bet anyone the rest of the slides and info will come out on the 5th. 

[Misanthrope]

Nvidia will probably have an answer combining sync and HDR as well, since it's a single unit they could name it well...

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