AMD Announces 'FreeSync 2'

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Nvidia will probably have an answer combining sync and HDR as well, s

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and will cost more than Gsync. Nvidia wants ur cash

[patrickjp93]

4 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

But then it costs more.. a lot more, sometimes.

 

Bet anyone the rest of the slides and info will come out on the 5th. 

$200 is a lot? Get a job.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

and will cost more than Gsync. Nvidia wants ur cash

No it won't. It'll just use the same Gsync module they do now. All it will take is a firmware update/reprogramming the module. Nvidia chose the vastly superior technical solution, no two ways about it. AMD is taking a performance hit for HDR. Nvidia isn't.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

$200 is a lot? Get a job.

$200 on top of an already $300 monitor is a lot. You get a job. 

 

There are no GSync monitors I am aware of for $200

[DarkBlade2117]

Can I ask why the fuck you guys are arguing over the name? The most dumbed down way AMD can put it is Freesync 2. HDRSync, Freesync+HDR ect are both stupid. Freesync 2 implies it is the same as Freesync with some additions.

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

$200 is a lot? Get a job.

If you're buying a new monitor as an upgrade, $200 can be a fair amount. 

 

How about to answer the rest of the thread in a single sentence:

Stop bitching, we get the idea the Freesync 2 is a stupid name. 

[Fetzie]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

No it won't. It'll just use the same Gsync module they do now. All it will take is a firmware update/reprogramming the module. Nvidia chose the vastly superior technical solution, no two ways about it. AMD is taking a performance hit for HDR. Nvidia isn't.

Does GSync support HDR with VRR?

[Energycore]

15 minutes ago, ONOTech said:

I feel ilke people like to argue for the sake of arguing. The name's fine.

I'll disagree with this just for the sake of disagreeing.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Fetzie said:

Does GSync support HDR with VRR?

Dont think a software update can fix that  

[Energycore]

12 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

And this is why Gsync is superior. The FPGA module can be reprogrammed to handle this much faster than the GPU possibly can. The latency will be far less and the operation far less expensive to the GPU.

Yes, you have to stretch that far to find an advantage that Gsync has over Freesync.

[patrickjp93]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

$200 on top of an already $300 monitor is a lot. You get a job. 

 

There are no GSync monitors I am aware of for $200

I don't know of any FS monitor that's $200. Also, I have a job. Read my signature.

 

And you pay for quality, just like in every market.

2 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

Does GSync support HDR with VRR?

Not yet, but if you understand what an FPGA is, you understand why Nvidia can implement it out of the box with just a firmware update.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Not yet, but if you understand what an FPGA is, you understand why Nvidia can implement it out of the box with just a firmware update.

And that's easier than updating it on the GPU itself because..?

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

 

And you pay for quality, just like in every market.

 

And I would rather pay less for the same effective or superior  quality thank you very much. 

 

Actually with HDR support FreeSync is just straight up better. 

 

Also tell me this, if all it takes is a software update, where is the update? Guess its a little more than all mighty Nvidia can figure out immediately. 

[Fetzie]

3 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I don't know of any FS monitor that's $200. Also, I have a job. Read my signature.

 

And you pay for quality, just like in every market.

Not yet, but if you understand what an FPGA is, you understand why Nvidia can implement it out of the box with just a firmware update.

Although that firmware update isn't necessarily user-serviceable, so you'd have to send your monitor to Acer/LG/Samsung/whoever which could be a multiple week round trip

[Energycore]

4 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I don't know of any FS monitor that's $200. Also, I have a job. Read my signature.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-vg245h-24-inch-freesync-gaming-monitor,4822.html

 

Patrick, being able to afford more expensive monitors doesn't give you more than the people who can't.

And knowing what an FPGA is doesn't make you magically right.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

And that's easier than updating it on the GPU itself because..?

I didn't say it was easier. But if the FPGA handles it, the algorithm is much more efficient, and there's no performance (I.E. framerate) hit. The latency hit will also be much lower.

 

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And I would rather pay less for the same effective quality thank you very much. 

 

Actually with HDR support FreeSync is just straight up better. 

 

Also tell me this, if all it takes is a software update, where is the update? Guess its a little more than all mighty Nvidia can figure out immediately. 

Even though FS still has awful ghosting and hitching issues lol!

 

It can take time, and there's no HDR monitor with FS or GS capability yet. If the panel lacks the capability, a firmware update won't magically create it. Did your education ever teach you to think critically?

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-vg245h-24-inch-freesync-gaming-monitor,4822.html

 

Patrick, being able to afford more expensive monitors doesn't give you more than the people who can't.

And knowing what an FPGA is doesn't make you magically right.

damn I just spent most of my $200 American Express giftcard already. I totally should have bought that! 

[patrickjp93]

2 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

Although that firmware update isn't necessarily user-serviceable, so you'd have to send your monitor to Acer/LG/Samsung/whoever which could be a multiple week round trip

I've never heard of a FW update being non-user-serviceable.

 

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-vg245h-24-inch-freesync-gaming-monitor,4822.html

 

Patrick, being able to afford more expensive monitors doesn't give you more than the people who can't.

And knowing what an FPGA is doesn't make you magically right.

In this case it does. That monitor's garbage according to both Newegg and Amazon reviews.

 

In this case it does.

[Fetzie]

9 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I don't know of any FS monitor that's $200.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=freesync

 

Quite a few there that are between 129.99(!) and 199.99.

 

The viewsonic ( https://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-VX2457-MHD-FreeSync-Monitor-DisplayPort/dp/B018MYTH9U/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1483405928&sr=1-1&keywords=freesync ) is 142.99 with 87% either 4 or 5 star reviews

[Energycore]

Just now, patrickjp93 said:

In this case it does. That monitor's garbage according to both Newegg and Amazon reviews.

Does it disprove the fact that there are Freesync displays for $200? No. That's just your opinion.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

It can take time, and there's no HDR monitor with FS or GS capability yet. If the panel lacks the capability, a firmware update won't magically create it. Did your education ever teach you to think critically?

So you on your high horse, are making excises for Nvidia. 

 

AMD seems to be ready for this tech before it is on the market. Nvidia has insanely more money and R&D power than AMD, how is AMD doing anything better than Nvidia ever excusable? 

[Notional]

Interesting. We know the next big Windows 10 update will include native HDR support. As such, AMD's drivers should be updated as well and include a lot of their cards. At least that is what they told us last year. Freesync seems to control HDR internally on the GPU and its drivers, thus controlling the colour mapping internally, instead of relying on the monitor controller (scaler) to do it.

It seems this should be faster, and probably also more reliable colour wise. It's not like it will matter for anyone whether their monitor only supports Freesync 1 or 2, as only HDR monitors will support the latter, and they haven't even entered the market yet, let alone be announced properly yet.

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I've never heard of a FW update being non-user-serviceable.

 

Do GSync monitors have a UI and basic OS outside of the standard menu? Monitors dont have wifi cards either.....

 

To update a monitor you would need to download the firmware on a USB drive and insert it into the monitor and then have the monitor somehow be able to recognize that that file in the USB is a firmware it cant use, and then somehow would have to update itself. 

 

Sorry, but its not as simple as clicking "update" like it would be in the case of AMD here. 

[Fetzie]

11 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I've never heard of a FW update being non-user-serviceable.

 

In this case it does. That monitor's garbage according to both Newegg and Amazon reviews.

 

In this case it does.

The Asus PG279Q firmware update was not user-serviceable, not sure if that was a g-sync module update though (but what else is there in a monitor that would need firmware and interfaces directly with the display other than the scalar?).

 

There are also currently two G-Sync module SKUs (for want of a better word) - the earlier ones only supported a single Display Port input to the monitor, while the later version also supports secondary inputs (without VRR) via HDMI.

[patrickjp93]

8 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

So you on your high horse, are making excises for Nvidia. 

 

AMD seems to be ready for this tech before it is on the market. Nvidia has insanely more money and R&D power than AMD, how is AMD doing anything better than Nvidia ever excusable? 

Just because Nvidia hasn't announced it yet, you assume it's not ready when it beat AMD to VRR and beats AMD to many things on a continual basis in the first place? Someone has his red goggles on.

 

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Do GSync monitors have a UI and basic OS outside of the standard menu? Monitors dont have wifi cards either.....

 

To update a monitor you would need to download the firmware on a USB drive and insert it into the monitor and then have the monitor somehow be able to recognize that that file in the USB is a firmware it cant use, and then somehow would have to update itself. 

 

Sorry, but its not as simple as clicking "update" like it would be in the case of AMD here. 

Yes they do, and yes it is. Again, you're wearing your red goggles blindly.