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Star Citizen's Star Marine released to Live Servers including a free fly week! also "ditched" cryengine for Lumberyard.

rentaspoon
By rentaspoon
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Well good freaking job.

 

Amazon's Lumberyard is still a BETA product for all intents and purposes.

 

I'd still suggest using Unreal Engine instead of this.

Judge a product on its own merits AND the company that made it.

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Downloading :)

Game is shaping up nicely love the fps part of the game or to be more precise the actual on ground gameplay and environment along the regular space ship play.

Looking forward to it as next gen MMO love the ambition of it. Also geat as far as engine they use overall modify it as needed.

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Any news if they will support VR? Also is there space exploration online? Or is the only online part deathmatches?

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11 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

No it isn't. I have friends from university working on it. The entire core rendering engine has been redone from scratch.

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The visuals technology of Lumberyard is based upon CryEngine, which has created award-winning graphical fidelity and benchmark-setting graphical performance, and we have extended this technology with support for iOS Metal to bring this level of performance to mobile devices.

Who to believe... Sourceless Patrick's unnamed friends, or the company themselves. This really is a tough decision. 

 

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Q. Is Lumberyard based on CryEngine?
Lumberyard is made up of proven technology from CryEngine, AWS, Twitch, and Double Helix. We’ve hired some of the best game technologists in the world, who have already made over 996 additions, fixes, and improvements to Lumberyard. For example, we've integrated a brand new networking layer, GridMate, so your engineers can more easily build low-latency multiplayer games with large numbers of players. We’ve introduced Cloud Canvas, which enables your engineers and technical designers with little to no backend experience to build live online game features, such as community news feeds, sharing scores, and server-side combat resolution, in minutes using Lumberyard’s visual scripting system. We’ve also integrated Lumberyard with Amazon GameLift, so you can deploy, scale, and operate session-based multiplayer games. We’ve built a new component entity system so that you can easily populate and define the behaviors of the game world by creating entities and defining their behavior by adding components using drag-and-drop workflows in the Lumberyard Editor, and added a new code generation system to allow you to annotate your C++ code and generate the code you need. We’ve advanced the engine to include support for mobile devices, including support for Metal. We’ve created a new launcher and project configurator so your team can get set up without engineering help. We’ve also created new workflows so your artists can iterate faster and create higher-quality content, including a new particle effects editor, new FBX mesh importer, 2D/UI editor, and cross-platform asset pipeline. Please see our full release notes of additions, fixes, and improvements to learn more, and tune in to our GameDev Blog for more news on what we are working on.

Crytek staff:

https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=133275&start=105#p1290558

https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=328&t=133300

 

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Whats this Star Marine, is that what they decided to call the campaign aspect they mentioned at some point.

 

Anyway until they get close to releasing the full game people need to stop hyping it up since it will never live up to hype nothing can live up to hype.

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6 hours ago, rentaspoon said:

Yes as I said your working on speculation regardless all the work on cryengine has been moved over onto Lumberjack. Nothings been wasted.

except for the money invested in

  • licensing CryEngine and acquiring the source code
  • modifying the said engine into StarEngine

all that work and money .. poof, gone

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5 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Any news if they will support VR? Also is there space exploration online? Or is the only online part deathmatches?

 

5 hours ago, AresKrieger said:

Whats this Star Marine, is that what they decided to call the campaign aspect they mentioned at some point.

 

Anyway until they get close to releasing the full game people need to stop hyping it up since it will never live up to hype nothing can live up to hype.

 it will support VR but not at this time. it is a MMO just not an RPG. however you also have several games inside the game. Star marine is Arena style FPS and Arena commander is dog fighting sim. the campaign will be comparable to the old wing commander games but with both space fighting and fps elements. 

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17 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

So if we keep saying it it will happen? If we shut up it won't get made? Damn it man don't use double negatives like that ffs.

 

Also even if a fork of Cryengine it's still an engine switch so it's probably a large setback to their timeframe and a great excuse to fail to deliver or under deliver on many promises "We couldn't do that/do it well cause of the engine troubles!"

 

Their licence is not only for lumberyard but also a get-out-jail free card with backers now.

I was being sarcastic, but damnit.

 

I just want it to do great. Is that so much to ask?

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7 hours ago, MageTank said:

https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/details/

Who to believe... Sourceless Patrick's unnamed friends, or the company themselves. This really is a tough decision. 

 

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Crytek staff:

https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=133275&start=105#p1290558

https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=328&t=133300

 

 

To use Patricks own words regarding his sources:

On 12/20/2016 at 5:40 PM, patrickjp93 said:

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7 hours ago, MageTank said:

https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/details/

Who to believe... Sourceless Patrick's unnamed friends, or the company themselves. This really is a tough decision. 

 

 

 

Crytek staff:

https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=126&t=133275&start=105#p1290558

https://www.cryengine.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=328&t=133300

 

Your own sources disagree with me, how fitting. 996 additions to what exactly? The core's been stripped out. It barely resembles CryEngine anymore.

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18 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

No it isn't. I have friends from university working on it. The entire core rendering engine has been redone from scratch.

 

6 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Your own sources disagree with me, how fitting. 996 additions to what exactly? The core's been stripped out. It barely resembles CryEngine anymore.

That is a contradiction if I've ever seen one 

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So do the poor aussies get AWS support? Google cloud was coming next year I thought?

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7 hours ago, zMeul said:

except for the money invested in

  • licensing CryEngine and acquiring the source code
  • modifying the said engine into StarEngine

all that work and money .. poof, gone

I highly doubt that all the work modifying cryengine just went *poof*... their modifications were apparently ported over to a very similar engine. I'm not knowledgeable enough to verify or even research that claim, but based on the fact that 2.6 is running relatively stable, apparently using the Lumberyard engine, leads me to put some faith in their statement. But beyond that, realizing a project this size is pretty much guaranteed to break glass at some point because (perhaps fortunately) we don't live in a utopian "yoghurt commercial" world. Take the good with the bad and at least try and keep a positive mindset. Pessimism is the cancer of progress. In hindsight you might say that they "wasted" a million licensing CryEngine, but honestly I would rather give them credit for steering their project along the road to best performance when an opportunity presents itself instead of stubbornly sticking to their original course.

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9 minutes ago, Syfes said:

I highly doubt that all the work modifying cryengine just went *poof*... their modifications were apparently ported over to a very similar engine. I'm not knowledgeable enough to verify or even research that claim, but based on the fact that 2.6 is running relatively stable, apparently using the Lumberyard engine, leads me to put some faith in their statement. But beyond that, realizing a project this size is pretty much guaranteed to break glass at some point because (perhaps fortunately) we don't live in a utopian "yoghurt commercial" world. Take the good with the bad and at least try and keep a positive mindset. Pessimism is the cancer of progress. In hindsight you might say that they "wasted" a million licensing CryEngine, but honestly I would rather give them credit for steering their project along the road to best performance when an opportunity presents itself instead of stubbornly sticking to their original course.

i also believe it was a 2 way street considering the improvements CIG made. the planetary tech alone is a godsend for MMOs.

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More hype with still hardly anything concrete to show. I really dont know why so many people support this game when the devs have straight up LIED numerous times about progress and internal issues. CIG is an unorganized mess and it is unlikely we will see anything more than a tech demo with hardly any real features from them. If you are planing on spending any money on this game, i would recommend you wait. Odds are you wont get a finished game out of it.

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1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

Your own sources disagree with me, how fitting. 996 additions to what exactly? The core's been stripped out. It barely resembles CryEngine anymore.

My own sources come from Amazon and Cryengine themselves. What better sources can I possibly have? Again, your sources are former nameless classmates of yours. Which source would you trust, if you were me, and I was saying exactly what you are saying?

 

I am pretty sure the developers of Cryengine know more about Cryengine than your friends do. I also believe they know who they license their engines to, and I also believe Amazon knows what their engine is based on. As much as I would like to believe your impossible to prove sources, I'll take my chances with my tangible sources. 

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12 hours ago, zMeul said:

except for the money invested in

  • licensing CryEngine and acquiring the source code
  • modifying the said engine into StarEngine

all that work and money .. poof, gone

No it isn't.
It's not even a new engine; Lumberyard is just Cryengine with extended network features.
They basically just slapped on Lumbyard to their already modified Cryengine (Star Engine).
Now the engine is basically Cryengine with upgraded physics, 64bit precision, and networking but it's still very much Cryengine at its core.






 

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Last I checked, Lumberyard was only useful if you had experience with CryEngine already. Cause there was virtually no documentation on it.

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16 hours ago, MageTank said:

https://aws.amazon.com/lumberyard/details/

Who to believe... Sourceless Patrick's unnamed friends, or the company themselves. This really is a tough decision. 

 

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You mean the guy who said 16 of his friends buying Switches was factual evidence the Switch would be 3x more profitable than the Wii U?

 

Anyway, does anybody here know of any game that ever had a mid development engine swap and gone on to do well? All the ones I can think of ended up being buggy, broken or just shit.

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1 hour ago, PocketNerd said:

Last I checked, Lumberyard was only useful if you had experience with CryEngine already. Cause there was virtually no documentation on it.

that was always cryengine biggest problem the lack of documentation. and something i hope amazon will fix. 

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4 hours ago, JasonRoGo said:

It's not even a new engine; Lumberyard is just Cryengine with extended network features.

riight ... except LuberYard isn't CryEngine anymore, like StarEngine isn't CryEngine

 

are you one of those people who still think ValvE's Source Engine is still Quake Engine :dry:

 

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On 12/24/2016 at 7:30 PM, Misanthrope said:

So that means their modifications to Cryengine where either no all that important or not all that difficult to implement to begin with?

What? How is that even relevant to anything I said? CIG's fork of CE has been modified north of 50% from the original codebase.

 

Stock Lumberyard contains none of the features that CIG has added to the engine.

 

19 hours ago, zMeul said:

except for the money invested in

  • licensing CryEngine and acquiring the source code
  • modifying the said engine into StarEngine

all that work and money .. poof, gone

Again this is nothing but a visual rebrand. All they've done is change the public branding in exchange for some amazon goodies & support. 

 

It's still the same heavily modified fork of CE 3.7/3.8 underneath. 

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this: https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/364217

 

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We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team).

 

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6 minutes ago, Napper198 said:

this: https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/364217

 

 

....and there we are. No more confusion for anyone, hopefully.

 

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