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What has begun? This has been really light-hearted so far, with the occasional spattering of someone politely explaining a scientific principle or giving a reason for their belief. EXACTLY what we want, right?

I have to say this has been much better than the last thread on this subject lol

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They get locked.

I think he means "what gets them locked", not "what happens to them..".

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Some people say that there is no way that intelligent design exists, because we have no explanation as to why. Others say it has to exist, because we can't explain why anything else would happen. Either of those arguments are valid until science finds proof of one or the other. I say to Creationists (separate from those who only believe in intelligent design), however, that if you read the bible, and all you get out of it is that you need to go around trying to convince people that the universe is only 5,774 years old, you are missing the entire point.

 

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What about evolution? I don't believe in it. What are your beliefs?

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Agnostic theism

Didnt even know what agnostic was until i googled it lol. But i read it and it just plain fit. I my self think that there is a god by just how everything is setup. Religions are so similar is how they are and science doesn't truly answer the big bang. Something created us. Science is how we will find out.

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Hey, I'm a fervent atheist (read previous responses plz). I just believe even more strongly that atheism is not a religion.

 

As you said, there are multiple interpretations of the model. There's no reason afaik that time could not have been without space at the start, but yes you are correct that the original big bang concept is an explosion of the universe from nothing.

I follow no religion, but if any 'way of life' or belief is classified as a religion then for me it's definitely 'Science' - if that clarifies anything

 

Technically time started with the expansion of space, it is a non-entity other than a sole unit of measurement derived by Humans :)  What is time relative to night and day if not only a number?

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What about evolution? I don't believe in it. What are your beliefs?

I would leave that to a different thread. One controversial thing at a time please.

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What has begun? This has been really light-hearted so far, with the occasional spattering of someone politely explaining a scientific principle or giving a reason for their belief. EXACTLY what we want, right?

 

Agreed.

no option for Agnositc Theist?

I don't believe in religion, but I believe in a form of deity is likely to exist. 

To oversimplify, Theist doesn't mean you follow religion explicitly, it just means "someone who believes in a God". 

You might think that's deism, but it's also theism, because the only difference is the use of the word "God" and "Deity" which are effectively the same thing in the general definition (though not most religion's definitions). 

Theism - belief in the existence of god or gods. 

Though it's generally used in regards to a One God (like Christianity, Judaism, or Islam) who created the universe, it is also generally used as the above definition gives.

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Slaeowulf, pretty obvious your trying to bring down this thread or start a flame war.

 

Quite the opposite, actually. I'm trying to keep it light-hearted and jokey :) I think that's what this threads needs, don't you?

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What about evolution? I don't believe in it. What are your beliefs?

Oh crap son.

WHY!?

I have watched cells I cultured evolve in a petri dish; only those with the genes to survive the environment they were in survived. If I added penicilin to the dish, a lot of them died, but the ones who survived were then immune to penicilin. How can you deny it in the face of such evidence?

Did God start the process of evolution? Maybe, but don't try to tell me it didn't happen.

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Oh crap son.

WHY!?

I have watched cells I cultured evolve in a petri dish; only those with the genes to survive the environment they were in survived. If I added penicilin to the dish, a lot of them died, but the ones who survived were then immune to penicilin. How can you deny it in the face of such evidence?

Did God start the process of evolution? Maybe, but don't try to tell me it didn't happen.

 

I personally believe we don't come from monkeys

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What about evolution? I don't believe in it. What are your beliefs?

 

What is there to believe in? Evolution is a fact. That's like holding up a pen and saying you don't believe in pens.

 

Guess I couldn't resist; That one pushed me over the edge :D

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What about evolution? I don't believe in it. What are your beliefs?

Considering that I question the validity of any form of science the dives into the past (astronomy, geology, paleontology, etc) based purely on scientific terms (i.e. I don't question it because my religion says otherwise, but because, as a scientist, I find their methods of deriving "evidence" questionable at best), I am pretty sure you can guess my beliefs regarding it.

I want to clarify that Evolution most certainly exists. However extrapolating that to the past, which we know so painstakingly little about, imo, is wrong in that it defies the basic precepts of science. 

I personally like Francis Bacon's view on Science. If you are wondering, he is one of the Scientists who helped develop the scientific method. To paraphrase, he basically believed that if you couldn't objectively test it in a lab setting, it could not be called evidence, nor fact. Only hypothesis and undetermined things of that nature. 

I believe Evolution exists, but to say it has done so much when we truly know so little, I think, is far too large a claim to make. The Big Bang and anything else delving so far into the past falls into this same category for me. Questionable science. 

 

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Nah, we don't come from monkeys... sorry!

 

>atheist presents evidence

>theist rejects evidence out of hand

>wonders how people can complain when atheists get annoyed at theists..

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see thread votes...not to surprised at the votes. Doesn't read thread as I wont want to see any augments....kind of glad that this has gotten to 5 pages with out being locked. 

 

 

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Nah, we don't come from monkeys... sorry!

Aren't you breaking the rule that you stated to no debating these topics? I mean come on these all tie into one topic and your starting one. You have just added to the death of this thread.

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Nah, we don't come from monkeys... sorry!

Aren't you breaking the rule that you stated to no debating these topics? I mean come on these all tie into one topic and your starting one. You have just added to the death of this thread.

Glad someone else noticed that this was by far the most inciteful comment on this thread so far lol

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What about evolution? I don't believe in it. What are your beliefs?

 

Ok lets just leave it as that. Respect everyone's views remember. I respect yours, you should respect mine.

 

You have to be kidding me. This HAS to be a troll to get responses... Respect is earned, not given.

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Agreed.

To oversimplify, Theist doesn't mean you follow religion explicitly, it just means "someone who believes in a God". 

You might think that's deism, but it's also theism, because the only difference is the use of the word "God" and "Deity" which are effectively the same thing in the general definition (though not most religion's definitions). 

Theism - belief in the existence of god or gods. 

Though it's generally used in regards to a One God (like Christianity, Judaism, or Islam) who created the universe, it is also generally used as the above definition gives.

Well, my views on a deity are more towards the likelihood of a species having previously advanced both technologically and biologically that the standard convention of normal life do not apply, and they as a whole to current human understanding would be closer to a deity then normal.

Its more a view based on scientific perspective, but It's also possible a conventional Deity actually exists. just less likely then a technologically formed deity. hence why i use Agnostic Theism over pure Theist.

Plus, traditional Theists and Atheists both get fairly confused at the concept of a belief without a religion, so having Agnostic tacked on saves explaining it constantly.

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>atheist presents evidence

>theist rejects evidence out of hand

>wonders how people can complain when atheists get annoyed at theists..

Actually, I don't think either side has presented any evidence (besides peer reviewed text and theories).

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Yeah but sometimes mate whats a joke to you isnt to others. Thats not your fault I agree, but its best not to go down that road. It needs humor i agree, but sometimes it just cant be done....sad really.

 

What have I said that could possibly be offensive? -.- Are you just trying to derail the thread?

 

But...it was going so well *sniff*

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