Putin’s call for Russia’s authorities to reduce dependence on foreign technology

[Deli]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

Iraq and Afghanistan? No. Libya? No. Syria? Only after the USA supplied weapons to rebels and invaded the country... so, again, no to Russia having a hand in that war being started.

 

In Ukraine? It was the USA who spent $5 billion funding anti-government protests, not Russia. So, again, 'No' to Russia having a hand in that war being started. The only thing Russia has done there is accept Crimea's application to accede to Russia - which is something that Crimea has been trying to accomplish for over 2 decades. And, helping East Ukraine, who also don't want anything to do with the neo-Nazi regime in West Ukraine, which was installed via a coup which overthrew Ukraine's constitution, and therefore nullified any internationally-recognizable legal status of Ukraine.

 

These are all very clear-cut wars that the USA has started, or sponsored and fostered.

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"The only thing Russia has done there is accept Crimea's application to accede to Russia."

 

I'm sure Ukraine separatists are not backed and funded by the Russian. Oh, yeah. You put on a good spin.

 

And you forget who went to Afghanistan before the US. Oh, not Russia of course. It's the Soviet Union. Sure the Russian are just peace loving people.

[CostcoSamples]

6 minutes ago, Deli said:

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"The only thing Russia has done there is accept Crimea's application to accede to Russia."

 

I'm sure Ukraine separatists are not backed and funded by the Russian. Oh, yeah. You put on a good spin.

 

And you forget who went to Afghanistan before the US. Oh, not Russia of course. It's the Soviet Union. Sure the Russian are just peace loving people.

The Soviet Union was responsible for the murder of millions of it's own citizens, plus wars.  The USA is responsible for the murder of millions in the middle east, but at least they don't murder their own people (well, at least not very many).  Hilary Clinton is responsible for destabilizing an already unstable region.  She loves conflict, she probably get's off on the death of us puny peasants.  

 

Russia is very different from the Soviet era.  The USA is kind of an evil empire.  The federal government needs to be cut down to it's original size and the states need to take back the power of the people.  Anyway there's not much point arguing which empire is more evil, or which politician is more of a psychopath.  Wouldn't it be better if we said NO to the psychopaths altogether?  They are the only ones who want war.  

[Delicieuxz]

19 minutes ago, Deli said:

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"The only thing Russia has done there is accept Crimea's application to accede to Russia."

 

I'm sure Ukraine separatists are not backed and funded by the Russian. Oh, yeah. You put on a good spin.

 

And you forget who went to Afghanistan before the US. Oh, not Russia of course. It's the Soviet Union. Sure the Russian are just peace loving people.

The only Ukraine separatists are those who overthrew Ukraine's democratically-elected government, and separated former-Ukraine's territory from the Ukrainian constitution to do so. Crimea and East Ukraine are those who defied the overthrow and didn't recognize the post-coup installed government, and so they would be the non-separatists... except that former-Ukraine no longer exists to be a separatist, or non-separatist of:

 

Once former-Ukraine's government was overthrown, there no was a Ukraine to be a separatist of, since Ukraine's constitution was nullified by its former president, in order to cede control to the coup, in accordance with their demands. That act dissolved the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and what is now calling itself Ukraine is merely a group of West Ukrainians without the support of former-Ukraine - hence why they're attacking East Ukraine, precisely because East Ukraine doesn't support the post-coup non-democratically-elected government in West Ukraine.

 

So, there's a big 'No' to Russia having involvement in the creation of the war in former-Ukraine, since the war only started after former-Ukraine's government was overthrown, and USA-backed West-Ukraine started attacking East Ukraine, in an attempt to force the regions there to submit to the installed government.

 

What I've written isn't spin, but the truth. It sounds like you're pre-conditioned to call anything that doesn't conform to the actual spin, spin.

 

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And you forget who went to Afghanistan before the US. Oh, not Russia of course. It's the Soviet Union. Sure the Russian are just peace loving people.

What does a past war have to do with who started, and is perpetuating the current ones? Russia's former wars are not tied to the USA's invasion of Afghanistan, or the current conflicts in the region.

[Thaldor]

I grinced for these news.

 

When I think Russian production first things to come into mind are Lada and War Thunder. Everybody probably knows how bad WT is and how "well" the Gaijin developes it and especial how well Gaijin listens to the reviews and their community. I can just imagine how well they would develope software: user "This feature doesn't work, that feature is too ahrd to use, this doesn't work on X hardware, there's problem and thats broken" developer "Ok, here's a ton of new icons to make your desktop look better" and when the user continues with the problems the software has, the developer blacklists users phone number and email and threats to sue and any other legal way the user if he continues to talk about the problems in the software.

 

And everybody probably knows what kind of reputation Lada has. We have this saying: "Buy a Lada, with it you can get to Helsinki as fast as you can push"

[suicidalfranco]

3 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

So, they probably switch from microsoft to linux, still make in the US.

 

 

You not going far in technology without stuff made or designed in the US(name a OS not made or based of a OS made in the US)

linux is finnish

[SurvivorNVL]

I will say I look forward to see what Russia comes up with.  Russian tubes for tube-amps are incredible, and I've several Russian and Hungarian AK-47's which just don't stop working.  I mean--you can't kill those things, except for when you run out of money.  Russian software will likely be, "It isn't pretty, but it does everything and is multi-threaded.  Now have drink."

[Electronics Wizardy]

4 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

linux is finnish

But ,its mainted in the US, with mainly US comanies making changes, Its also based off Unix form ATT bell labs, a US company.

[LAwLz]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

But ,its mainted in the US, with mainly US comanies making changes, Its also based off Unix form ATT bell labs, a US company.

Linux is not based on Unix. It is POSIX compliant and borrows some concepts (not source code) from Unix, but that's hardly enough to say it is based on it. 

[suicidalfranco]

4 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

But ,its mainted in the US, with mainly US comanies making changes, Its also based off Unix form ATT bell labs, a US company.

the only one making changes to linux is torvalds, comapanies and idividuals from all around the world can send those changes to changes to be made part of linux, but torvalds is the one who decides what gets in. It's not based of of unix one bit

[FakezZ]

On 9/28/2016 at 9:50 PM, Electronics Wizardy said:

So, they probably switch from microsoft to linux, still make in the US.

 

 

You not going far in technology without stuff made or designed in the US(name a OS not made or based of a OS made in the US)

Linux is open-source though. It is not made in the US. It is a collaborative effort and you know what you're getting in the end, because you know and can modify the source code. Not with proprietary programs though

[Sauron]

I think it's reasonable, with the spyware concerns and the fact that this would probably help local businesses (e.g. russian software houses).

On 28/9/2016 at 11:07 PM, pit5000 said:

Though it may be good for state security, it would not help with overall productivity (it can actually reduce it).

The quality of the russian made software come into question as they have yet to prove they can hire and retain the best engineers. 

There's a lot of open source software they can use as basis, it may be a little less comfortable than the commercial counterparts but it's prefectly usable after the staff has been trained. If they are motivated to it can take fairly little to iron out the edges.

[Tech_Dreamer]

Cant blame them,  unless you want to pretend nothing wrong, Like the other counterparts have less surveillance at this point ,

[Nena Trinity]

Russia will use Linux and so will China, just like North Korea the best Korea!

[Tieox]

Will their distro be called Vodka?

[patrickjp93]

On 9/29/2016 at 4:46 AM, Jorgen297 said:

Of course they want that after the NSA scandal. NSA through Microsoft can spy on the entire country with Windows 10, and that's not acceptable imo.

That is not proven. Suspicions are not proof.

[patrickjp93]

2 hours ago, FakezZ said:

Linux is open-source though. It is not made in the US. It is a collaborative effort and you know what you're getting in the end, because you know and can modify the source code. Not with proprietary programs though

It is made primarily by U.S. developers in the U.S. though.

[patrickjp93]

On 9/29/2016 at 3:03 PM, LAwLz said:

Linux is not based on Unix. It is POSIX compliant and borrows some concepts (not source code) from Unix, but that's hardly enough to say it is based on it. 

All of Bash is Unix, and the original Linux file systems were cut and pasted from Unix.

[LAwLz]

51 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

All of Bash is Unix, and the original Linux file systems were cut and pasted from Unix.

Bash "belongs" to GNU, not Unix. It is a free and independent component which several OSes uses. Bash is no more "Unix" than it is "Linux", or even "Windows" for that matter.

 

 

By "file system" do you mean the file hierarchy (such as /bin, /etc, /home and so on)? Because that structure was borrowed from Unix, but that's just folders with names on them. You can hardly say GNU/Linux is Unix based just because they have folders with the same names.

 

If you're referring to the file system then you might be right (although I can not find any source that says that Linux used UFS as the primary file system anywhere), but the ones used today, such as ext were specifically designed for Linux, not Unix.

[FakezZ]

5 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It is made primarily by U.S. developers in the U.S. though.

Yeah but it doesn't really matter. They can see if something is fishy with the code, which is very very hard with proprietary programs. Reading millions of lines of assembly must definitely not be fun.

[captain_to_fire]

It's a good thing I cancelled my Kaspersky Internet Security subscription a year ago.

[GSTARR]

How can you relate self-dependence to WW3

 

[Misanthrope]

They'll probably create their own version of Linux or BSD but I distinctly remember that they were calling to start manufacturing their own processors so it might be a more sophisticated attempt than just their own distro.

[Dabombinable]

5 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

They'll probably create their own version of Linux or BSD but I distinctly remember that they were calling to start manufacturing their own processors so it might be a more sophisticated attempt than just their own distro.

Either way, if it in any way results in legitimate competition for Microsoft (and Intel if they actually do make their own CPU), I'm going to be very interested in the way things turn out.

[Biggerisbetter]

On 9/28/2016 at 3:10 PM, CostcoSamples said:

Under Putin, Russia has adopted a lot of traditional conservative values, which the leftists in the west just hate.  They portray him just as you've described.  

 

America has been very hostile to Russia and tensions are high.  Unfortunately, we in the west have this thing where we elect highly corrupt narcissists and sociopaths, so I don't expect anything to change anytime soon.

While Murica does some back handed things. Russia has shot down a commercial airliner over Crimea and annexed it. Sorry if I dont believe the crap your shoveling 

[patrickjp93]

9 hours ago, Jorgen297 said:

Just Google "Microsoft NSA".

I think this is enough proof for Putin. 

It's not proof that Windows is stealing info for the NSA. Until someone goes sniffing and cracking packets, it's merely speculation. How do we know these companies didn't play purely advisory roles or didn't say no to the NSA's requests?

 

9 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Bash "belongs" to GNU, not Unix. It is a free and independent component which several OSes uses. Bash is no more "Unix" than it is "Linux", or even "Windows" for that matter.

 

 

By "file system" do you mean the file hierarchy (such as /bin, /etc, /home and so on)? Because that structure was borrowed from Unix, but that's just folders with names on them. You can hardly say GNU/Linux is Unix based just because they have folders with the same names.

 

If you're referring to the file system then you might be right (although I can not find any source that says that Linux used UFS as the primary file system anywhere), but the ones used today, such as ext were specifically designed for Linux, not Unix.

Bash is 90% Unix. Stallman did not add that much to it.

 

No, I mean the actual old file system UFS, not the directory structure. As for a source, Richard Stallman archived all the dev docs on his website.

9 hours ago, FakezZ said:

Yeah but it doesn't really matter. They can see if something is fishy with the code, which is very very hard with proprietary programs. Reading millions of lines of assembly must definitely not be fun.

Disassembly and decompilation do exist.