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AMD's Starship CPU will contain 96 threads

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For the record.... GloFo 7nm is really a 9nm process and not much different from Intel's 10nm.

 

That said, a 48 core chip would be a relatively large die and super expensive to produce (Intel currently has 24 core dies on 14nm, well and more with Xeon Phi but that's cheating), unless ofc it's a 4-way smt then that's really unimpressive.

 

But that digression aside, always cool to hear products two gens away.

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Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

For the record.... GloFo 7nm is really a 9nm process and not much different from Intel's 10nm.

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8 minutes ago, cozz said:

Keeping on the trend of CPU news, AMD's next-gen Starship CPU will contain a whopping 96 threads on a 7nm processor, bypassing 10nm completely.

 

According to the guys at TweakTown, Starship will be here some time during mid 2018.

 

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how about they stop thinkin about cores and make a good CPU with less cores. a 48 core amd cpu wont help amd unless the cores have some/ if any power (amd style my friends)

 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Julian5 said:

how about they stop thinkin about cores and make a good CPU with less cores

The problem is efficiency. It much better to have a ton of lower power cores than a few fast ones. 

 

These cpu's will be used in a server market were there running vm's, so the more the better when it comes to cores.

 

 

If you want fast cores, look at POWER and SPARC. Power8 currently has about 2x the IPC of intel and has 8 threads per core.

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26 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

For the record.... GloFo 7nm is really a 9nm process and not much different from Intel's 10nm.

 

That said, a 48 core chip would be a relatively large die and super expensive to produce (Intel currently has 24 core dies on 14nm, well and more with Xeon Phi but that's cheating), unless ofc it's a 4-way smt then that's really unimpressive.

 

But that digression aside, always cool to hear products two gens away.

Skylake Xeons go up to 28 cores on 14nm btw, and the Xeon Phi have 4-way SMT, so those cores are not as small as you think. And it's a ~700 mm sq. monolithic die. 

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yeah and i've heard intel will drop a 198 threads chip on 4nm. by the end of 2017 ;)

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Just now, patrickjp93 said:

Skylake Xeons go up to 18 cores on 14nm btw, and the Xeon Phi have 4-way SMT, so those cores are not as small as you think.

24 cores on 14nm on Broadwell....

 

http://ark.intel.com/products/93790/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8890-v4-60M-Cache-2_20-GHz

 

I know, but they are still smaller than the standard core uarch cores.

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2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

The problem is efficiency. It much better to have a ton of lower power cores than a few fast ones. 

 

These cpu's will be used in a server market were there running vm's, so the more the better when it comes to cores.

 

 

If you want fast cores, look at POWER and SPARC. Power8 currently has about 2x the IPC of intel and has 8 threads per core.

That depends on the workload. Scale-up workloads favor more threads but fewer cores and higher clock rates. See SAP business benchmarks which Power 8 beats Haswell Xeons in.

 

And Power 8 does not have 2x the IPC of Intel. It just has muc higher clock speeds and fewer cages to dirty in a Multithreaded workload, so performance scaling is higher.

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2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

That depends on the workload. Scale-up workloads favor more threads but fewer cores and higher clock rates. See SAP business benchmarks which Power 8 beats Haswell Xeons in.

 

And Power 8 does not have 2x the IPC of Intel. It just has muc higher clock speeds and fewer cages to dirty in a Multithreaded workload, so performance scaling is higher.

Off topic, you wouldn't happen to know how well Monte Carlo codes work on Power9 vs Xeon Phi. I have to assume it would work better on Power 9 since caching probably isn't too much of an issue (I would ask you explicitly about MCNP but that is export controlled).

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1 minute ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

24 cores on 14nm on Broadwell....

 

http://ark.intel.com/products/93790/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8890-v4-60M-Cache-2_20-GHz

 

I know, but they are still smaller than the standard core uarch cores.

On a 450mm sq. die.

 

28* sorry typo.

 

I'm just saying this isn't that impressive, and most of a CPU die is cache and memory controllers. Only 2% of the die is actual computation units. Just because it's Atom doesn't mean it's bad, and at 7TFlops, it's a beastly CPU.

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Off topic, you wouldn't happen to know how well Monte Carlo codes work on Power9 vs Xeon Phi. I have to assume it would work better on Power 9 since caching probably isn't too much of an issue (I would ask you explicitly about MCNP but that is export controlled).

I do not know anything about it. I've never needed to us MC for any of my work.

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6 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yeah and i've heard intel will drop a 198 threads chip on 4nm. by the end of 2017 ;)

Intel already has a 288 thread chip on 14nm selling right now.

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450mm is a pretty big die. BTW I wasn't thinking it was that amazing, it's just that is going to have to be a big die which at 7nm is going to be an exponentially larger cost than it would be even at 10nm.

 

Oh, I'm not saying Atom is bad... I was just saying it's smaller per unit core than the standard core arch (for obvious reasons). And that if this chip was a similar type approach then it would mean next to nothing since 72 core Phis are already available.

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Just now, patrickjp93 said:

Intel already has a 288 thread chip on 14nm selling right now.

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4 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I do not know anything about it. I've never needed to us MC for any of my work.

It's pretty simple stuff honestly, and is one of the few basically infinitely scalable applications in existence.

 

But it's very very accurate for nuclear particle applications, and it's extremely computationally expensive (doing anything less than the most simple things)

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1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

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1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

ARK link or it didnt happened :P

http://ark.intel.com/products/95830/Intel-Xeon-Phi-Processor-7290-16GB-1_50-GHz-72-core

 

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That's some number of cores. They could've added few more and rounded to 100 threads :P

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54 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

For the record.... GloFo 7nm is really a 9nm process and not much different from Intel's 10nm.

 

That said, a 48 core chip would be a relatively large die and super expensive to produce (Intel currently has 24 core dies on 14nm, well and more with Xeon Phi but that's cheating), unless ofc it's a 4-way smt then that's really unimpressive.

 

But that digression aside, always cool to hear products two gens away.

isnt 14nm finfet really 20 or 22nm?

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Just now, RagnarokDel said:

isnt 14nm finfet really 20 or 22nm?

Well intel's 14nm is much much tighter than TSMC and GloFlo's 14/16nm anyways.

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In 2.5 years we will have this?  So PS5 and XboxTwo could potentially have an SSD and discrete graphics by then?

 

Seriously, I can't wait until we have to abbreviate thread and core counts, yeah I just picked up a 40! (factorial) core AMD.

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2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Well intel's 14nm is much much tighter than TSMC and GloFlo's 14/16nm anyways.

Much much tighter?

Don't be foolish thinking that.

The product with the most dense transistor/mm^2 is not on intel 14nm, afai.

 

We should all remember intels 22nm were only slightly ahead of tsmc 28nm.

 

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5 minutes ago, Tomsen said:

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Uhh yes it is.

 

Image result for 14nm intel glofo

 

There isn't a metric out there that the Intel 14nm process is less dense than the competition. Also SRAM cell area is a very good approximation to transistor density, and by that metric Intel's 14nm process is almost 20% tighter than TSMC and 10% more dense than GloFlo/Samsung. The transistor density differences are actually larger than that.

 

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