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Didn't send it in yet.

I split my power supply into monitor and PC, discontinued use of old

multi-output supply. Seems to be working ok for now.

 

Will keep you updated on that.

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Alhamdulillah guys i got something interesting. I want you to test something in your Electricity.

 

Method 1: (Simple Test requires line tester) 
Take a line tester. You know there are usually outlets with only neutral and line, probe both of those points with the line tester one at a time and if you see line tester glow on both, you have a problem. The line tester should light up for only one of those two points in that socket.
If you have earthing in your house take the line tester and now probe outlet with three holes. Again in all 3 of the points in your outlet, your line tester should glow for only one of them. Otherwise you have a problem with your power.

 

Method 2: (Precise Test requires DMM and Earth connection)
Set your DMM (Digital Multimeter) on AC voltage setting, Now you are looking for an outlet with 3 holes with Line, Neutral and Earth points. Now measure reading between Line-Neutral, Line-Earth and Earth-Neutral. Your reading should be around the readings given below

 

For EU/Others:
Line-Neutral = 220v to 240v 
Line-Earth = 220v to 240v
Earth-Neutral = 0v to 2v (less than 0.5v is ideal) 

 

For US/Canada:
Line-Neutral = 110v to 125v 
Line-Earth = 110v to 125v
Earth-Neutral = 0v to 2v (less than 0.5v is ideal) 

 

For US further analysis can be done at the panel, there are gonna be 2 lines and 1 neutral at the panel. So check voltage of each line with netral and earth one by one at the panel. Hire an electrician if you don't know what you are doing.

 

Important:
Hire an electrician if you don't know what you are doing. Remember its not a solution and i am just trying to figure out if indeed everyone else has the same issue with their electricity. Above tests are general tests and for further analysis you need an oscilloscope and someone experienced with the knowledge and experience to figure out what's wrong, someone like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4_2vS6W16Q
 
My experience with Power:
For a few days i was noticing something strange in the power coming to my house, so i took a DMM (Digital Multimeter) and started testing the AC power from one of the outlet and noticed that i had phase/line/hot on my Neutral wire. It was all over my neighborhood. You can look at the following post that i posted on an Electrical Engineering blog:

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/417856/odd-voltage-readings-between-phase-ground-phase-neutral-neutral-ground

 

After i got my Neutral wire fixed i was ready to test my PC. But before that i did a hard reset on my PC by holding the power button for a minute or so and cleared cmos. When i started my PC the Gigabyte  logo was clear than before. Then logging into windows everything was clear and the blur was gone. Started GTA V, low LOD and flickering were still there. Few things got fixed except for flickering AA and low LOD. Lines were still flickering but at least this time LOD got only a little better. But then i plugged my PC to a TV in the house and used the other outlet, it went back to being ugly/blurry and connecting my PC back to the monitor did nothing. Now sometimes when i start my PC by hard reset and cmos clear my PC get a little better but sometimes it stays blurry. Turns out i still have 50V in my neutral when i tested between earth and neutral. It should be less than 0.5V. Have to call an electrician. 

My PC is still not fixed and i still think we need an oscilloscope to test further. This could be the cause though i am not certain but everything points towards electricity. 

 

Alright few days ago i bought 2 stabilizers. One was static with relays and other had servo motor with a Variac. The static one did nothing, but when i plugged in my PC through the servo one, the windows blur was reduced again and games were a bit better than before. Although the issue was still there but it got little better. What i think was that this servo stabilizer was somehow isolating phase/line electricity a bit. Now i am going to get my neutral to earth voltage fixed and call an electrician for that. But all i know so far that my issue started because i had voltage in my neutral wire. This could have damaged the GPU and other components. Electricity works in a way that it comes through line/phase and after providing the required current it goes back via neutral wire but if you have more than 0.5V in neutral wire, you are pushing your sensitive electronic equipments through a lot of stress. I remember this happened to me after i shifted in my new house which is in another city and the issue got worse with each day. This all makes sense now. But remember these are just my observations and are not in any way a solution. I have ordered a power meter that tells how much ampere and watts my PC is pulling from the outlet. I am still looking further into it.

 

One more thing i am thinking of buying an isolation transformer that is capable of atleast 1000 watts. The way this isolation transformer works is that it isolates energy from outside transformer(from the utility pole). So anything bad coming from outside gets mitigated in most cases but not all. Or maybe what we need is an AC regenerator because it could be that AC waveform (sine wave) is not perfect which can only be tested with a handheld oscilloscope. For further investigation i need your guys support. 

 

Join me at my discord for quick replies:
https://discord.gg/x5G4yt

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I can just say that right now everything still works perfectly for me (after changing plugs)...

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I have all these same issues and I’ve tried just about everything.  4 freshly built rigs,  even bought a pre built pc from a well known company for testing and it’s just and ugly and visually messed up as anything I’ve built.   This is crazy.

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On 12/19/2018 at 2:55 PM, Meeseeks said:

IMO you have a point and i agree with you that something in electricity might be spoiling some components whether its capacitors, mosfets, ADC, DAC etc. But believe me to test this we need someone very experienced in this because companies like Nvidia are not gonna help us.

 

I have a question. People who tried a brand new PC with every new part, did they get it immediately or after some time?

I have built 4 brand new PCs all with differing parts ALL brand new.  1080Ti’s in 2 of the PCs and 2080 and 2080Ti in the other two,  the graphical issues are instantly first game played on all PCs,  I am at a loss for words as to wtf is going on here.  This issue has had me p,aging consoles because they look better which is totally ridiculous to say the least.

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My desktop as well as my bios screen is also blurry,  is this an issue with you guys as well?

 

The graphics in games are terrible and the lod sucks.

There is also absolutely no antialiasing at all in games no matter what I do.

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Washed out poor textures.. .  1 is doom 2 is cod ww2 and 3rd pic is of bf1,  all completely maxed out and the resolution set to 3440x1440 ultra wide.  Looks like garbage.

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21 hours ago, Harsh45 said:

My desktop as well as my bios screen is also blurry,  is this an issue with you guys as well?

 

The graphics in games are terrible and the lod sucks.

There is also absolutely no antialiasing at all in games no matter what I do.

Yep, got all of those issues. It's nice knowing I was not imagining it, seeing things even outside of games, but that pretty much confirms it.

At this point I think it would be safe to assume it's definitely not an hardware issue. I tried switching up a bit the power strip setup but no luck, no difference for me at least. Waiting on any new info to check if it's worth it to call an electrician or try anything else.

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I’m still investing as much time as I can in trying new things and trying to pin-point the cause.  

 

Ill try to post on here frequently.  This is mind boggling,  not to mention any info or pics given to Nvidia on this issue causes them to do the old “I don’t see anything wrong here” line.

 

At the very least it’s nice to see another forum on this other than the Nvidia one I’ve been posting on for a while.

 

 

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This probably isn’t the issue considering I’ve tested multiple AMD gpus.

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5 hours ago, Harsh45 said:

This probably isn’t the issue considering I’ve tested multiple AMD gpus.

The issue isn’t apparent on Linux when using Proton so im pretty sure at this point it’s a problem in windows 10. Never had the issue on windows 7 and using the same hardware on Linux with proton with the same game removes the problems entirely 

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Might not be related to our issue but i am sharing this just in case. There is this phenomenon called Ringing Artifact which occurs during image processing or in electricity. You can see below


Ringing (Signal Processing):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringing_(signal)

 

Ringing Artifact (Also read similar phenomena at end):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringing_artifacts

 

Gibbs phenomenon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbs_phenomenon

 

In this document please scroll to the picture:
https://books.google.com/books?id=fr08BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=ringing+video+signal&source=bl&ots=1SgFvlcpRo&sig=ACfU3U0Owvb6ys3c2KTKU9jZemn4uGojuQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiW54i5o9bgAhVBpFkKHUlUBMQ4ChDoATAIegQIARAB#v=onepage&q=ringing video signal&f=false

 

Ghosting in 3d Printers(may not be related to our issue):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFp6Eqk0QI

 

If this is what we are facing, this might be the effect and we still need to find out the cause. Is it electricity or interference as i have mentioned before in my previous post that the electricity coming to my house has some serious issues. When i moved to my new house (new city) i begin experiencing it. 

 

Ringing/Ringing Artifact/Gibbs phenomenon is something that occurs at image/signal processing level. Which component is responsible for image/signal processing? I think in PC either discrete gpu or integrated gpu is responsible. But some people are saying that they have it in their phones and even tv. So in phones/tv there might be some component responsible for image processing. That means if it is electricity it's somehow affecting this component. This is just an assumption by me, maybe it's affecting some other components. It can also occur in electronic components maybe PSU. Read the ''electronics'' paragraph in this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overshoot_(signal)
 

Edit: When i said we only have ringing artifacts, we actually have other artifacts as well including Jaggies, AA, Flickering, Shimmering etc. So our issue is much worse.

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On 2/26/2019 at 12:03 PM, BuckGup said:

The issue isn’t apparent on Linux when using Proton so im pretty sure at this point it’s a problem in windows 10. Never had the issue on windows 7 and using the same hardware on Linux with proton with the same game removes the problems entirely 

 

What distribution do you use?

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18 minutes ago, Yeeph said:

 

What distribution do you use?

Linux mint

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1 hour ago, BuckGup said:

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But can I avoid these bugs by wine? Or is Proton a new "Wine" that works without having the steam games? (For example League of Legends)

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5 minutes ago, Yeeph said:

 

But can I avoid these bugs by wine? Or is Proton a new "Wine" that works without having the steam games? (For example League of Legends)

Yeah Proton is an implementation of wine but uses Vulkan instead of DirectX. Because of that they can get a deeper level of optimization so performance is usually within 10%-5% assuming the game works and even in some cases performance is better as DRMs slow it down

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3 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah Proton is an implementation of wine but uses Vulkan instead of DirectX. Because of that they can get a deeper level of optimization so performance is usually within 10%-5% assuming the game works and even in some cases performance is better as DRMs slow it down

 

But how would I run Fortnite or League of Legends through Proton?

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15 hours ago, Yeeph said:

 

But how would I run Fortnite or League of Legends through Proton?

Look into the terminal commands for running it. People have done it. Just the anitcheats get messed up

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Yeah Proton is an implementation of wine but uses Vulkan instead of DirectX. Because of that they can get a deeper level of optimization so performance is usually within 10%-5% assuming the game works and even in some cases performance is better as DRMs slow it down

Vulkan instead of OpenGL you mean.

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On 2/26/2019 at 9:03 AM, BuckGup said:

The issue isn’t apparent on Linux when using Proton so im pretty sure at this point it’s a problem in windows 10. Never had the issue on windows 7 and using the same hardware on Linux with proton with the same game removes the problems entirely 

I’m going to spend some time this weekend to install the new OS and give it a try.  

One question I have is,  Do you have Linux installed as a secondary OS on your system or did you wipe windows from it entirely?

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13 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Vulkan instead of OpenGL you mean.

Yeee good catch

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2 minutes ago, Harsh45 said:

I’m going to spend some time this weekend to install the new OS and give it a try.  

One question I have is,  Do you have Linux installed as a secondary OS on your system or did you wipe windows from it entirely?

No you can dual boot it. That's what I do

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