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Just now, Meeseeks said:

Yeah that's actually an issue as how to get an electrician to understand what's going on. You can show him my previous post if possible. But i am afraid no ordinary electrician will be able to find what's wrong but you can try. Start by making him check Neutral-Earth voltage. An ordinary electrician can atleast check for Neutral-Earth voltage. Then if he has handheld oscilloscope and he is someone who is experienced in dealing with power quality issues, ask him to check for issues. There are many things in power that can be wrong it's not only about noise. Important thing is to hire someone who is an expert in power quality issues. I am not saying it certainly is power, it could be interference in the environment but all the information we have right now points towards power.

How does swapping an OS or CPU point to power. Please explain throughly with evidence why power would cause something like this

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Browsing the Nvidia forums I can see a trend. This all started with the 1000 series. Which makes sense with what I have experienced too. 760 had no issue, 980ti had no issue, 1080 has the issue. Most 900 and below issues are typical problems like driver incompatibility, botched installs, and various fixable issues. 1000 series and up have a lot of flickering, stuttering, Low LOD, shadows clipping, and jagged textures problems. The first 20 pages on the 900 series had 2 involving flickering but it was from GPU artifacting. 1000 series was almost 1 in every 6 posts in about it and the 2000 is worse

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5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

How does swapping an OS or CPU point to power. Please explain throughly with evidence why power would cause something like this

I already mentioned it that there are 2 different cases of this happening. You did fix it by installing different OS as your situation is different. But your situation might not apply to other people. 

 

I am not saying that i am 100 percent sure it's power but my observations point towards it. Using one of the stabilizer decreases the blur in windows and in bios.  Having more than 1V on Neutral wire when testing between Neutral-Earth:

http://www.esgroundingsolutions.com/how-we-can-reduced-the-voltage-between-the-neutral-and-ground-without-using-an-isolation-transformer/

Reading people's comment that when they overclocked, this occurs. For some it happens after changing outlet.

I think i already mentioned this and other reasons as to why i suspect power is the cause but this may not apply to everyone here. 

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10 hours ago, BuckGup said:

So this problem is something fundamentally going wrong as the BIOS is pretty low level. But also AA has it's own problems that would cause flickering but the fact that it starts randomly is what's troubling. I am not sure who to ask at this point. I can talk to firmware engineers that deal with the BIOS and things like BMC on servers but Ryzen significantly improved visuals for myself and a good handful of members I polled on the forum. Also if you look over at the Nvidia forum you can track a huge influx in people with these problems occuring around a certain date. So we could track when this started and see what came out that day. Maybe a windows update or something like that

I’ve tried Ryzen as well as Intel,  made no difference here.  One thing that caught my eye you saying people’s problems occurred around a certain date,  this would definitely be something to look into,  however I have also found people that have had these issues for years now,  me being over 2 years...  very frustrating.

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10 hours ago, BuckGup said:

How does swapping an OS or CPU point to power. Please explain throughly with evidence why power would cause something like this

I don’t believe swapping a cpu or gpu caused this issue,  for me one day BAM!  It just happend!  For no reason at all.  The city put in a new transformer near my house 2 years ago,  not sure if that’s the issue but it was during that year it happend.  If I can build 5 brand new rigs with all differing parts and cpus and gpus and use numerous TVs and monitors and the issues show on all platforms,  using windows 7,8.1,10 and numerous flavors of Linux yet the issues still remain,  it is NOT the operating system..

 

I even bought a pre built rig from a company and even that PC showed the same issues.

 

This problem were having is beyond anything I’ve tried or have been told to try by either Nvidia,Intel,Microsoft mobo manufacturers etc..  

 

If my Xbox one x looks better than my pc with a 2080ti,  we got a problem...

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10 hours ago, Harsh45 said:

I don’t believe swapping a cpu or gpu caused this issue,  for me one day BAM!  It just happend!  For no reason at all.  The city put in a new transformer near my house 2 years ago,  not sure if that’s the issue but it was during that year it happend.  If I can build 5 brand new rigs with all differing parts and cpus and gpus and use numerous TVs and monitors and the issues show on all platforms,  using windows 7,8.1,10 and numerous flavors of Linux yet the issues still remain,  it is NOT the operating system..

 

I even bought a pre built rig from a company and even that PC showed the same issues.

 

This problem were having is beyond anything I’ve tried or have been told to try by either Nvidia,Intel,Microsoft mobo manufacturers etc..  

 

If my Xbox one x looks better than my pc with a 2080ti,  we got a problem...

No I was saying swapping fixes it. It's interesting as the issue is only apparent on 1000 series and up, not on AMD GPUs, but on Intel CPUs, but not AMD CPUs. Consoles use a custom SoC and the software is optimized differently. The problem I see is you weren't aware of the issue and now you are looking for one. It appears that's all you can see when it was there from the beginning

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22 hours ago, Meeseeks said:

Yeah that's actually an issue as how to get an electrician to understand what's going on. You can show him my previous post if possible. But i am afraid no ordinary electrician will be able to find what's wrong but you can try. Start by making him check Neutral-Earth voltage. An ordinary electrician can atleast check for Neutral-Earth voltage. Then if he has handheld oscilloscope and he is someone who is experienced in dealing with power quality issues, ask him to check for issues. There are many things in power that can be wrong it's not only about noise. Important thing is to hire someone who is an expert in power quality issues. I am not saying it certainly is power, it could be interference in the environment but all the information we have right now points towards power.

You cant tell an electrician what is going on because you have zero evidence that actually points to power.  Again, grasping at straws.  Which is not useful for diagnosing any problem.

 

Also, "experts" in power quality issues tend to prey on people like you that dont really know what is going on.  They will happily replace every single wire, outlet, breaker panel, and install every scam electronic filter while charging by the hour to not solve your issue that isnt related in any way to what they are working on.

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So people on the Nvidia forum are now spreading that a UPS will solve the stuttering and it's dirty power. Explains why there is so much information. I will make a video tonight with my PC connected to a PSU then without to show it does nothing.

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4 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

You cant tell an electrician what is going on because you have zero evidence that actually points to power.  Again, grasping at straws.  Which is not useful for diagnosing any problem.

 

Also, "experts" in power quality issues tend to prey on people like you that dont really know what is going on.  They will happily replace every single wire, outlet, breaker panel, and install every scam electronic filter while charging by the hour to not solve your issue that isnt related in any way to what they are working on.

I agree, i don't have 100 percent proof but all i know is that after moving to this new house(new city) i got case 2. I have already asked this question many times. What changed between my old vs new house? There are only these possibilities (Power, Electromagnetic Interference, i messed up my pc during shipping somehow or my graphics card is artifacting).  I didn't even change anything in my pc. 

 

After all this, upon investigation i found out about neutral-earth voltage. Again i am focusing on case 2 for you guys as it seems you are mixing up both. People who have case 2, it's (blur) everywhere for them it's not only in games. Upon further investigation using one of the stabilizer decreases the blur but the issue was still there. Other indications are from people saying they overclocked and this happened etc.

 

Our main mistake in this forum is that we are mixing up these two cases. One is genuinely because of software but the other one is still a mystery.

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11 hours ago, BuckGup said:

No I was saying swapping fixes it. It's interesting as the issue is only apparent on 1000 series and up, not on AMD GPUs, but on Intel CPUs, but not AMD CPUs. Consoles use a custom SoC and the software is optimized differently. The problem I see is you weren't aware of the issue and now you are looking for one. It appears that's all you can see when it was there from the beginning

Your a bit confusing the way you worded all this above..  I noticed this the day it happend but don’t remember the exact date...  Also one of my builds is a Ryzen 1800x and I’ve tried 1080Tis with it as well as a few AMD cards and it’s all the same BS.  So no,  it does happen to AMD gpus as well as AND cpus.

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10 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

You cant tell an electrician what is going on because you have zero evidence that actually points to power.  Again, grasping at straws.  Which is not useful for diagnosing any problem.

 

Also, "experts" in power quality issues tend to prey on people like you that dont really know what is going on.  They will happily replace every single wire, outlet, breaker panel, and install every scam electronic filter while charging by the hour to not solve your issue that isnt related in any way to what they are working on.

We are ALL grasping at straws!  Nobody knows what’s causing this or it would be fixed by now...  I never said it was undoubtably electrical,  what I did say is it might not be a bad idea to ask an electrician to take a look at it..  that’s all.

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10 hours ago, BuckGup said:

So people on the Nvidia forum are now spreading that a UPS will solve the stuttering and it's dirty power. Explains why there is so much information. I will make a video tonight with my PC connected to a PSU then without to show it does nothing.

I don’t believe a ups will fix it,  Aren’t they really just meant for power outages?  Give it a try I guess.

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1 minute ago, Harsh45 said:

I don’t believe a ups will fix it,  Aren’t they really just meant for power outages?  Give it a try I guess.

A UPS supplies battery backup but also cleans the power. Highend ones output a sin wave while cheaper ones use an emluated wave. They do help will sensitive components which is where some people might get this idea but your PC has much more advanced power delivery than most things

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I’m going to record farcry 5 gameplay this weekend on PC and on Xbox one x and show you how much the console looks better than the PC version maxed out.  Definitely not right..

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7 minutes ago, Harsh45 said:

Your a bit confusing the way you worded all this above..  I noticed this the day it happend but don’t remember the exact date...  Also one of my builds is a Ryzen 1800x and I’ve tried 1080Tis with it as well as a few AMD cards and it’s all the same BS.  So no,  it does happen to AMD gpus as well as AND cpus.

Are you sure you aren't just seeing AA artifacts. AA isn't perfect and will cause anomalies like jagged and shimmering lines

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10 minutes ago, Harsh45 said:

We are ALL grasping at straws!  Nobody knows what’s causing this or it would be fixed by now...  I never said it was undoubtably electrical,  what I did say is it might not be a bad idea to ask an electrician to take a look at it..  that’s all.

What about building a comprehensive hardware and software list?

 

Someone should be building a database on google sheets that contains all of the impacted builds reported.  The list needs to include software/driver versions, system hardware (including revisions), monitors (including firmware versions), display connection type, brand/length of display cables... pretty much a full diagnostic report for EVERY reported case.

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1 minute ago, Harsh45 said:

I’m going to record farcry 5 gameplay this weekend on PC and on Xbox one x and show you how much the console looks better than the PC version maxed out.  Definitely not right..

Alright not really an apples to apples comparison but okay. Do you have another game you could benchmark that we could compare?

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Just now, KarathKasun said:

What about building a comprehensive hardware and software list?

 

Someone should be building a database on google sheets that contains all of the affected builds affected.  The list needs to include software/driver versions, system hardware (including revisions), monitors (including firmware versions), display connection type, brand/length of display cables... pretty much a full diagnostic report for EVERY reported case.

Yeah that would help

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On 3/12/2019 at 7:29 AM, BuckGup said:

A blurry BIOS is most likely the default size is less than your monitor and also a BIOS is not running things like AA to smooth the edges. 

The reason the blurry bios screen bothers me is because it was never like this before all this happend,  also those little dots that spin in a circle when windows boots are pixelated as well.

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7 hours ago, BuckGup said:

Are you sure you aren't just seeing AA artifacts. AA isn't perfect and will cause anomalies like jagged and shimmering lines

Every game acts as if antialiasing is off and turning it to max does nothing.  It’s completely broken,  shadows are poor as well as textures and draw distance.

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I could put something together over time,  I’ll see what I can do.  

This post is referring to KarathKasun post on a comprehensive list of hardware and software.

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3 hours ago, Harsh45 said:

Every game acts as if antialiasing is off and turning it to max does nothing.  It’s completely broken,  shadows are poor as well as textures and draw distance.

Yeah I agree with you. It's just you have to watch out for what was always there. 

3 hours ago, Harsh45 said:

The reason the blurry bios screen bothers me is because it was never like this before all this happend,  also those little dots that spin in a circle when windows boots are pixelated as well.

The BIOS screen appears to be an EDID problem and only quadros have built in EDID editors. You can use a 3rd party one to reset it though

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16 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

The BIOS screen appears to be an EDID problem and only quadros have built in EDID editors. You can use a 3rd party one to reset it though

Its also a symptom of a card with a missing/corrupted/overly simple UEFI firmware.  This is a difference that pops up when using edited firmware on my RX 400/500 cards. 

 

For example, My GTX 670 always drives my LCD at 1920x1080 during boot, even with a modified VBIOS.  My Radeon cards tend to use the old-school 640x400 resolution with a modified VBIOS and ~720p with the stock VBIOS.  The VBIOS checksum does not match so the UEFI falls back to the legacy GPU firmware.

 

If you use CSM in a newer build or have a pre-UEFI motherboard, the boot/UEFI screens will always be rendered at 640x400.  640x400 looks extremely blurry on new LCDs.

 

This does not result in filtering problems in the OS though.  DirectX, OpenGL, and the desktop work as expected, regardless of the state of pre-OS visuals.

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2 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Its also a symptom of a card with a missing/corrupted/overly simple UEFI firmware.  This is a difference that pops up when using edited firmware on my RX 400/500 cards. 

 

For example, My GTX 670 always drives my LCD at 1920x1080 during boot, even with a modified VBIOS.  My Radeon cards tend to use the old-school 640x400 resolution with a modified VBIOS and ~720p with the stock VBIOS.  The VBIOS checksum does not match so the UEFI falls back to the legacy GPU firmware.

 

If you use CSM in a newer build or have a pre-UEFI motherboard, the boot/UEFI screens will always be rendered at 640x400.  640x400 looks extremely blurry on new LCDs.

 

This does not result in filtering problems in the OS though.  DirectX, OpenGL, and the desktop work as expected, regardless of the state of pre-OS visuals.

Well there's your answer for the BIOS problem. Have you tried reflashing the BIOS on the GPU?

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5 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Well there's your answer for the BIOS problem. Have you tried reflashing the BIOS on the GPU?

AMD signed BIOS works properly.  Modded BIOS results in the card being brought up in "legacy" mode because it fails the signature test.

 

I was bringing this up as an example why the BIOS/Boot logo would look like crap.

 

Not all GPU firmware is created equal, and a bleh looking BIOS/Boot logo is not a functional problem for the PC.

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