PSU Tier List [OLD]

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Energycore said:

That can't be a coincidence

It's not.

 

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=About_Us

 

[quantum_feces]

add in sparkle power inc lmao

[STRMfrmXMN]

8 minutes ago, quantum_feces said:

add in sparkle power inc lmao

Tier 8

[turkey3_scratch]

Different Sparkle than http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=212 ?

 

Edit: I also notice jon is wearing a power supply T-shirt in the video. I remember someone made some and posted them on the JG forums not too long ago...

[quantum_feces]

3 hours ago, turkey3_scratch said:

Different Sparkle than http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=212 ?

 

Edit: I also notice jon is wearing a power supply T-shirt in the video. I remember someone made some and posted them on the JG forums not too long ago...

looks snazzy, I should give it a try

[quantum_feces]

.ignore this I can’t delete this cause I’m on my phone

[Zeny1]

Hey guys, thinking of a power supply upgrade. I've been using an old ultra x3 1000w power supply from like 2014. 

 

Any idea if the 1000w G1+ is better than the 1000w G1 ? I am guessing nothing significant must have changed but the G1+ series aren't in the tier list :\

[OrionFOTL]

We know absolutely nothing about the G1+ series.

What is your setup, budget and location?

[Zeny1]

8700k running 1.345v on max load no avx offset, ram oc'd to 3000mhz cl 13 on 1.45 v, 1070 gtx overclocked as well +130 core, 650 memory. 

 

I'm in Canada.

 

Is my power supply still good enough or should I switch it? After doing some research it seems ultra has gone bankrupt or something since back in those days. The 1000w G1+ power supply is on sale very cheap at a store near my place so that was why I was considering a purchase. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, turkey3_scratch said:

I also notice jon is wearing a power supply T-shirt in the video. I remember someone made some and posted them on the JG forums not too long ago...

It says, "Don't Cheap Out On Your Power Supply".

[STRMfrmXMN]

7 hours ago, Zeny1 said:

8700k running 1.345v on max load no avx offset, ram oc'd to 3000mhz cl 13 on 1.45 v, 1070 gtx overclocked as well +130 core, 650 memory. 

 

I'm in Canada.

 

Is my power supply still good enough or should I switch it? After doing some research it seems ultra has gone bankrupt or something since back in those days. The 1000w G1+ power supply is on sale very cheap at a store near my place so that was why I was considering a purchase. 

If it's like the 1000W G1 then it's not a bad unit and I highly doubt it's going to be a problem child. It's just ridiculously unnecessary for a 1070 and i7. A 550W unit would be plenty.

[STRMfrmXMN]

8 hours ago, quantum_feces said:

.ignore this I can’t delete this cause I’m on my phone

Can't delete on desktop either. Weird thing somehow not yet integrated into this forum...

[awesomegamer919]

12 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

If it's like the 1000W G1 then it's not a bad unit and I highly doubt it's going to be a problem child. It's just ridiculously unnecessary for a 1070 and i7. A 550W unit would be plenty.

A good 450w would be plenty TBH and the FORMULA Gold is 80 Canuck Pesos atm: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jfs8TW/bitfenix-formula-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp-fm450ulag-7r

[Zeny1]

19 minutes ago, awesomegamer919 said:

A good 450w would be plenty TBH and the FORMULA Gold is 80 Canuck Pesos atm: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jfs8TW/bitfenix-formula-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp-fm450ulag-7r

Well on calculators it recommends for 597W. It does seem I use a lot of power based on my devices. 

 

3 SSD, 5 usb devices, a CD/DVD drive, overclocked CPU,RAM,GPU

 

I wouldn't really feel comfortable without at least a 750w. Especially since I upgrade parts pretty frequently (2-3 years).

 

For example I will definitely dump my 1070 for a 1170/1180/1180ti since I want to play with 100+ fps on UW 1440p...my 1070 is just holding me up on the mean time. 

 

For example switch my 1070 for a 1080 ti and a calculator recommends me 735w. I overclock a bit more on cpu or give more voltage elsewhere and i'll probably be recommend a little bit more juice. 

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, Zeny1 said:

Well on calculators it recommends for 597W. It does seem I use a lot of power based on my devices. 

 

3 SSD, 5 usb devices, a CD/DVD drive, overclocked CPU,RAM,GPU

 

I wouldn't really feel comfortable without at least a 750w. Especially since I upgrade parts pretty frequently (2-3 years).

 

For example I will definitely dump my 1070 for a 1170/1180/1180ti since I want to play with 100+ fps on UW 1440p...my 1070 is just holding me up on the mean time. 

 

For example switch my 1070 for a 1080 ti and a calculator recommends me 735w. I overclock a bit more on cpu or give more voltage elsewhere and i'll probably be recommend a little bit more juice. 

Those calculators are crap, and overestimate by a ton. Your actual power draw will be roughly half of what the calculator says. 

[turkey3_scratch]

2 minutes ago, Zeny1 said:

Well on calculators it recommends for 597W. It does seem I use a lot of power based on my devices. 

 

3 SSD, 5 usb devices, a CD/DVD drive, overclocked CPU,RAM,GPU

 

I wouldn't really feel comfortable without at least a 750w. Especially since I upgrade parts pretty frequently (2-3 years).

 

For example I will definitely dump my 1070 for a 1170/1180/1180ti since I want to play with 100+ fps on UW 1440p...my 1070 is just holding me up on the mean time. 

 

For example switch my 1070 for a 1080 ti and a calculator recommends me 735w. I overclock a bit more on cpu or give more voltage elsewhere and i'll probably be recommend a little bit more juice. 

Those calculators, though, don't really cite where they get their information from. Then again, there is a distinction that needs to be made. There is a difference in how much power your computer will actually use and what the "recommended wattage" is for a power supply. It's important to pay attention to which one it's talking about.

 

But recommending a certain wattage based upon accurate power usage information (which I'm afraid to say many calculators seem to get wrong) is entirely subjective. Different people will recommend different things. On the Jonnyguru forums, things are much more conservative so if your power consumption is something like 400W under heavy load, then get a 450W power supply. On other forums and from certain people, they may disagree. My own personal beliefs? I don't care, get whatever you are comfortable with.

 

But I am against people telling people that it's wrong to get a 450W power supply if power draw is something like 400W; that's just what they think, and their own thoughts aren't necessarily authoritative. The "don't run a power supply above some percentage load" is more myth and subjective than actually true. But like I said, some people get peace of mind with a higher wattage; nothing wrong with that. It's just important to distinguish between two things: people's feelings and the actual physics of what's going on in the power supply.

[STRMfrmXMN]

10 minutes ago, Zeny1 said:

Well on calculators it recommends for 597W. It does seem I use a lot of power based on my devices. 

 

3 SSD, 5 usb devices, a CD/DVD drive, overclocked CPU,RAM,GPU

 

I wouldn't really feel comfortable without at least a 750w. Especially since I upgrade parts pretty frequently (2-3 years).

 

For example I will definitely dump my 1070 for a 1170/1180/1180ti since I want to play with 100+ fps on UW 1440p...my 1070 is just holding me up on the mean time. 

 

For example switch my 1070 for a 1080 ti and a calculator recommends me 735w. I overclock a bit more on cpu or give more voltage elsewhere and i'll probably be recommend a little bit more juice. 

Holy fuck, the fact that the calculator thinks you'll demand 730W from a PSU with a single GPU is asinine. Don't bother using those things.

 

Here's an 8700K OC at 1.28V at 5.0 GHz drawing around 130W under full synthetic load.

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-cpu,review-34037-12.html

 

And here is literally the most power hungry a 1080 Ti can be, drawing 339W, which is about what most 1080 Tis will draw if overclocked, unless they're one of the weaker VRM cards like the Zotac AMP or EVGA SC (subtract ~30W for those cards).

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-lightning-z-review,8.html

 

So why would you need a 700W+ unit for this system again?

 

A 550W unit would be fine and 650W would suit if, say, you had lots of hard drives or the like.

[Zeny1]

8 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Holy fuck, the fact that the calculator thinks you'll demand 730W from a PSU with a single GPU is asinine. Don't bother using those things.

 

Here's an 8700K OC at 1.28V at 5.0 GHz drawing around 130W under full synthetic load.

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/intel-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-cpu,review-34037-12.html

 

And here is literally the most power hungry a 1080 Ti can be, drawing 339W, which is about what most 1080 Tis will draw if overclocked, unless they're one of the weaker VRM cards like the Zotac AMP or EVGA SC (subtract ~30W for those cards).

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-lightning-z-review,8.html

 

So why would you need a 700W+ unit for this system again?

 

A 550W unit would be fine and 650W would suit if, say, you had lots of hard drives or the like.

Yeah I figured I was overestimating my watts but I will buy a 750-850w power supply for peace of mind. 

 

I use 1.345v with no avx offset I recall drawing something like 188w ( I will double check at home) on prime 95 small FFTs

 

Even the article you linked he was drawing near 170w on prime 95 with no avx on 4.9 ghz. 

[Stefan Payne]

34 minutes ago, Zeny1 said:

Well on calculators it recommends for 597W. It does seem I use a lot of power based on my devices. 

 

3 SSD, 5 usb devices, a CD/DVD drive, overclocked CPU,RAM,GPU

yes and now look at what it calculates for an SSD or the Optical drive.

 

Its such Nonsense like 25W per device or even more.

Sme Calculators calculate with 50W for a single HDD. That is possible  - for a couple of Milliseconds at most.

 

Just try it!

 

34 minutes ago, Zeny1 said:

I wouldn't really feel comfortable without at least a 750w. Especially since I upgrade parts pretty frequently (2-3 years).

...although your system is like 250W under normal gaming load...

 

Don't believe those calculators!
They aren't more intelligent as a piece of paper and a pencil.

They just add the values that someone programmed those things with. Nothing you couldn't do yourself with a piece of paper and a pencil!

Just try it...

 

34 minutes ago, Zeny1 said:

For example switch my 1070 for a 1080 ti and a calculator recommends me 735w. I overclock a bit more on cpu or give more voltage elsewhere and i'll probably be recommend a little bit more juice. 

Yes and now do the Calculation thing yourself.

 

You have 100W for the CPU.

Lets just assume 300W for the graphics card.

 

That's around 400W.

lets be unreasonable and assume 15W per SSD -> 45W.

In Real Life something like 5-10W is more reasonable. Just look at the Spec on the Drives! It states so themselves.

5 USB Devices -> 500mA/5V per Device according to USB 2.0 Spec -> 2,5W per Device

Assuming USB 3.0 we are talking about 900mA -> 4,5W per Device

times five equals 12,5-22,5W

 

so that's around 400W + 45W + 22,5W -> 467,5W

Where are the other 300W that thing calculated?!

[STRMfrmXMN]

10 hours ago, Zeny1 said:

Yeah I figured I was overestimating my watts but I will buy a 750-850w power supply for peace of mind. 

 

I use 1.345v with no avx offset I recall drawing something like 188w ( I will double check at home) on prime 95 small FFTs

 

Even the article you linked he was drawing near 170w on prime 95 with no avx on 4.9 ghz. 

1.345V is what you might need if your motherboard didn't have as good of a VRM as their test board. That said, no load you'll ever demand of your CPU will come close to Prime95. Prime95 is useful for OC stability testing and that's about it.

 

750W is just wasting your money. A 550W would be plenty and 650W would be fine if you wanted 5+ HDDs.

[MEC-777]

3 hours ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

1.345V is what you might need if your motherboard didn't have as good of a VRM as their test board. That said, no load you'll ever demand of your CPU will come close to Prime95. Prime95 is useful for OC stability testing and that's about it.

 

750W is just wasting your money. A 550W would be plenty and 650W would be fine if you wanted 5+ HDDs.

Quite often I see the "next step up" in a PSU series isn't much more money ($10 to $30 difference for an extra 100w), so I wouldn't say it's wasting money. If a few extra dollars grants you a little extra headroom, I don't see a problem with that. Not disagreeing with you, fundamentally.

[STRMfrmXMN]

2 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Quite often I see the "next step up" in a PSU series isn't much more money ($10 to $30 difference for an extra 100w), so I wouldn't say it's wasting money. If a few extra dollars grants you a little extra headroom, I don't see a problem with that. 

But it adds no benefit. And $30 is not a small step up in price. You can go from an EVGA 500B to a Bitfenix Whisper in that price difference.

[MEC-777]

5 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

But it adds no benefit. And $30 is not a small step up in price. You can go from an EVGA 500B to a Bitfenix Whisper in that price difference.

It does if you decide to go SLI or crossfire later on (or do something else with your build that would pull substantially more power). People change their minds. What they may think they want to do with their PC in the future now, may change later on. 

 

Personally, I like to keep the door of options open a little wider. 

[Stefan Payne]

44 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Quite often I see the "next step up" in a PSU series isn't much more money ($10 to $30 difference for an extra 100w), so I wouldn't say it's wasting money. If a few extra dollars grants you a little extra headroom, I don't see a problem with that. Not disagreeing with you, fundamentally.

That's always the case.

Just look at Bitfenix Whisper M or Formula.

The step to the next +100W are usually something between 10-15€. The 450-> 550W Step usually is the exception with less than that.

 

But the question is:
What do you get for the money??

And if you don't care about the price, why not go for a be quiet Dark Power Pro P11 or something like that instead??

 

Because often with higher wattages you also get higher RPM fans wich lead to more noise.

So you don't necessarily get something you want for the money.

 

35 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

It does if you decide to go SLI or crossfire later on (or do something else with your build that would pull substantially more power).

Be honest:
How many games do you have where SLI/CF doesn't work?

And how many do you have where it might work?

 

Some games where it does not work:
Everything Vulkan -> Wolfenstein II new Colossus.

Nier: Automata

Many Koei Tecmo Games

 

And the List is fairly long...

 

So SLI/CF comes down to benchmarking and messing around with the components, the practical use of that is worse and worse every day. Because it just does not work for whatever reason. 

 

And with nVidia, you need at least a GTX1070 anyway, if you want some SLI Experience.

The cheaper GTX1060 doesn't even support SLi!

 

35 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

People change their minds. What they may think they want to do with their PC in the future now, may change later on. 

Maybe, maybe not.

But mostly its like 1 out of 10 or 20 that might want a 750W instead of a 450 or 550W. 

Its not that many. Most people buying mid range stay in that range.

Sometimes they might get High End but then again, 550W is enough.

 

Hell you can even do some fiddling around with SLI/CF with a good quality 550W PSU and two not that high end Cards. Because there are RX480 and 580 with only one 8pin PCIe connector available as are GTX1070.

 

35 minutes ago, MEC-777 said:

Personally, I like to keep the door of options open a little wider. 

I'd like to get the best bang for the buck and the best thing for my system and myself.

 

A 450 or 550W might be perfect because less noisy, cheap.

A 650 or 750W might not be that great because higher fan RPM.

 

For example Bitfenix Whisper M, 450 and 550W: around 500rpm or less at low loads.

650W and up: around 700rpm or less under lower loads.

 

That happens quite often with some manufacturers. Others use the same for the whole lineup.

Then again, it makes more sense to go higher efficiency than higher watt because with the higher efficiency you get a less powerful fan and higher efficiency (obviosly)...

 

The Higher Wattage one can only be better if we talk about two completely different units - but that is usually the case between 650->750 or even 750 -> 850W.

 

[awesomegamer919]

7 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

That's always the case.

Just look at Bitfenix Whisper M or Formula.

The step to the next +100W are usually something between 10-15€. The 450-> 550W Step usually is the exception with less than that.

 

But the question is:
What do you get for the money??

And if you don't care about the price, why not go for a be quiet Dark Power Pro P11 or something like that instead??

 

Because often with higher wattages you also get higher RPM fans wich lead to more noise.

So you don't necessarily get something you want for the money.

 

Be honest:
How many games do you have where SLI/CF doesn't work?

And how many do you have where it might work?

 

Some games where it does not work:
Everything Vulkan -> Wolfenstein II new Colossus.

Nier: Automata

Many Koei Tecmo Games

 

And the List is fairly long...

 

So SLI/CF comes down to benchmarking and messing around with the components, the practical use of that is worse and worse every day. Because it just does not work for whatever reason. 

 

And with nVidia, you need at least a GTX1070 anyway, if you want some SLI Experience.

The cheaper GTX1060 doesn't even support SLi!

 

Maybe, maybe not.

But mostly its like 1 out of 10 or 20 that might want a 750W instead of a 450 or 550W. 

Its not that many. Most people buying mid range stay in that range.

Sometimes they might get High End but then again, 550W is enough.

 

Hell you can even do some fiddling around with SLI/CF with a good quality 550W PSU and two not that high end Cards. Because there are RX480 and 580 with only one 8pin PCIe connector available as are GTX1070.

 

I'd like to get the best bang for the buck and the best thing for my system and myself.

 

A 450 or 550W might be perfect because less noisy, cheap.

A 650 or 750W might not be that great because higher fan RPM.

 

For example Bitfenix Whisper M, 450 and 550W: around 500rpm or less at low loads.

650W and up: around 700rpm or less under lower loads.

 

That happens quite often with some manufacturers. Others use the same for the whole lineup.

Then again, it makes more sense to go higher efficiency than higher watt because with the higher efficiency you get a less powerful fan and higher efficiency (obviosly)...

 

The Higher Wattage one can only be better if we talk about two completely different units - but that is usually the case between 650->750 or even 750 -> 850W.

 

I wouldn't really want to run SLI1080Ti on 550w anyways, since you'd be pushing it pretty damn hard, and SLI1070/1080 is just dumb in general...