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We are only 6 days into the near year though. 

 

Yup, one of 4 down for the year already. I'm wrong no more often than I cut my hair (it grows REALLY slowly).

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mine is at stock speeds. because i havent bothered to OC it

The 4790k was already made to run at higher than usual speeds than a non Devil's Canyon CPU. The normal boost of 4.4GHz was already about as high as most Ivy Bridge chips could get only 1 generation prior.

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Looks good :)
Nice they made a new one and improved it.

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Still not silent enough doe :/

The tests were at 100% fan speed. So unless you're running at 1.5v and trying to OC up to 5.5Ghz then you're not going to get even close to 100% even with intel coolers.

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I say it's pretty unlikely based on AMD's history of over-promising and under-delivering.  Also they have a fraction of the R&D budget as Intel.  I do agree that due to Bulldozer's many problems, there is ample scope for improvement with Zen, and indeed a 40% increase over Excavator - as they've claimed - would put it around the Haswell level. 

 

Everyone should be cheering for them to succeed because Intel's current margins are massive.  I'd like to stick with the red team to replace my aging Phenom II, but I'm trying to manage expectations.

 

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Looks like their old cooler, but the AMD logo is now etch to the side, unlike their current one where its just a cheap sticker that's crooked. :P

When it comes to stock coolers, I like AMD ones.

uhhhhhhh its not etched. It's a LED my friend lol. You didn't see it ? It lights up the AMD logo. 

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Ok, after watching the video, I realized they were comparing it to one of the old "Phenom" style coolers. The new one looks to be a bit bigger and with a larger fan. And yeah, it is a lot quieter. 

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Is it just me or did I only notice that the AMD logo on the Wraith cooler lit up when plugged in lol? 

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The FX/Phenom II cooler was incredibly loud at full speed. I kinda wish to see the new cooler compared to the Intel's one. I can't deny that it's the best looking (and probably performing) stock cooler. :P

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and that is a fair point, since from 32nm to 14nm FF+ its like THREE NODES....

THREE DIE SHRINKS IN ONE GENERATION....

Kind of, 14nm is based on the 20nm backplane.

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uhhhhhhh its not etched. It's a LED my friend lol. You didn't see it ? It lights up the AMD logo. 

The logo has to be etch by a laser in order for the blue led to pass through. :P

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i was at a lan party where someone had a stock cooler on an fx8350, and well.. i couldnt hear my laptop over his tower cooler on the other side of the room...

Haha same. I gave my dad my old FX-8350 and its stock cooler and we could hear it throughout the house, even through walls. So I had to replace its cooler within a week.

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Yes you can. We know the instruction set latencies for Steamroller and have the 5% IPC gain going to Excavator and then the 40% IPC gain from Excavator to Zen. All you have to do is throw the starting stats and max improvement range into an integer linear program that tries to optimize scores of open source benchmarks by running them through a virtual CPU on a VM or Hypervisor environment such as qEMU. Mind you running that simulation took my 4960X at home overclocked to 4.3GHz over 9 hours even properly multithreaded (nothing stressing RAM or cache was run with compute-intensive benches on other cores, hence the extra time since there wasn't a way to evenly divide such benchmarks into the rest of the set), but it completed with the best case result of being 3-5% over Haswell if AMD optimized the right instructions. Now mind you they're also moving to a FinFET design which we all know knocked some headroom off of Intel's clock speeds. IF you think it won't do the same to AMD, on a low power process no less, I've a bridge to sell you.

 

In terms of IPC it's going to at the absolute best eke out some room over Haswell. Barring that, there's still the issue of the node in question giving us clock speed ceilings probably in the low to mid 3GHz range for 8-core Zen.

 

Excavator gains average about 9.85% from my numbers (collected via multiple reviews, comparing like for like only - not comparing a mobile Excavator to a desktop Steamroller, for example).

 

40% on top of Excavator puts Zen right on top of Haswell, assuming the gains are evenly applied.  The probable loss in clockrate is the wildcard, along with FPU performance and the high probability of performance regressions in code with poor ILP.

 

Also, it is improper to assume that Zen's latencies will be the same as the existing architecture and there's so much more to performance than instruction latency (namely ILP extraction and pipeline stalls).

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Their past history doesn't matter. What actually matters is if they nail the architecture - which they very well could do.  

 

Don't forget that they can nail it in lower prices, intel is still without a quad core processor under the 170 dollar mark.

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Don't forget that they can nail it in lower prices, intel is still without a quad core processor under the 170 dollar mark.

 

Yep, AMD could very well undercut Intel in the mainstream quad-core market and I hope they do. Intel's CPU prices for i5's and i7's is getting a bit crazy, IMO.  

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i broke a wing on my cooler and now my computer sounds like a washing machine -_-

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I remember using the FX heatsink and that thing was louder than my vacuum. 

 

Nice improvement. 

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Eh..AMD would have been better off partnering with Cryorig to make a good stock cooler for them since their H7 <35 cooler already bests the 212+ EVO.

 

 

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I know this forum loves intel wank but I hope Zen is good, a market is no fun with bad competition

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