AMD Reveals its new cooler for Zen

[Luke]

Looks like they revived the old stock Phenom II coolers...

 

 

 

Did you mean revised ?

[mr.squishy]

Looks like they revived the old stock Phenom II coolers...

 

~snip~

Those things were/are the bomb

[manikyath]

The fan speed is at 100%. I doubt it's louder and will almost certainly performance better considering intel coolers are just a little piece of aluminium besides the ones with the copper base. This new Zen cooler has proper aluminium fins, copper heatpipes and a much larger fan.

pretty sure all modern intel coolers have the ciopper slug in the middle, and they have propper (although, round is not as ideal) aluminium fins.

 

the thing is, if you dont oc an i7 does fine on a stock cooler (barely, but it does)

if amd comes with such an overengineered stock heatsink, it makes me very curious about what the purpose is.

 

PS: i've wired a spare intel cooler to 12v before, while i cant directly say more quiet, they're certainly a nicer sound.

[patrickjp93]

you better advise him to buy i3 6300 and ashrock board asap (for OC), as long as he can sell his proc at around i3`s price with its mobo for same price.  BTW i edited my original post.

 

haswell IPC would be fine. i mean who doesnt want hyperthreaded 4690k for 130$ ? Its basicly 4790k... for half the price, no? i dont think AMD will charge 100$ extra for hyperthreading or 130$ extra for 2 cores more...

 

As much as AMD needs money and wants to be the competitive option instead of just the cheap one, I imagine their pricing won't be nearly as low as some of you would like to think.

[RagnarokDel]

they should just put an AIO watercooler for their high ends.

[Sauron]

It looks very beefy, I hope it just means we won't necessarily need a third party cooler to oc a little and not that zen will be hot as hell

[Texhnlyze]

I guess zen is going to be an overclockers dream. Ha

[Goldensapling]

i was at a lan party where someone had a stock cooler on an fx8350, and well.. i couldnt hear my laptop over his tower cooler on the other side of the room...

^^^ I have to agree here. I ran a stock cooler on my 8320 for like a year (the fan finally died) and it was the loudest thing I've ever heard from a computer. Before that I had a A10 running stock cooler, and that shit was INSANELY loud. Like, hair dryer couldn't be overheard through it because it's loud.

[Samfisher]

thats cuz stock intel doesnt make noise. instead intel stock cooler just causes CPU to thermal throttle.

 

this way it stays quiet. that is the secret sauce behind it.

 

fuck intel stock cooler.

What?  The intel stock cooler is pretty good for non OC'd systems.

[Luke]

pretty sure all modern intel coolers have the ciopper slug in the middle, and they have propper (although, round is not as ideal) aluminium fins.

 

the thing is, if you dont oc an i7 does fine on a stock cooler (barely, but it does)

if amd comes with such an overengineered stock heatsink, it makes me very curious about what the purpose is.

 

PS: i've wired a spare intel cooler to 12v before, while i cant directly say more quiet, they're certainly a nicer sound.

 

Pentium, Celerons etc come with the standard aluminum heatsink with no copper case. Also the aluminum piece just has cut outs, I wouldn't call them fins.

 

The current AMD stock cooler that has been used since the Phenom II days performs significantly better than Intel's stock cooler with copper bases. The main thing wrong with it is the fan is too small and runs at too high of a RPM so it's very noisy especially at high RPM.

 

I also wondered about the purpose of this seemingly over engineered heat sink but it's likely just an update/revision that is mostly addressing the noise issues while slightly tweaking the heatsink design.

 

[flipped_bit]

If that's the sound at load then it's not that bad at all. 

 

AMD is on a bit of a roll here... improved graphics drivers, getting more performance from their existing cards, rumoured to release a new socket and Carrizo chips in Q1 2016, reported huge power/performance improvements with Polaris... still a long way to go on the road to recovery, but they've got a bit of positive momentum behind them now for a change.

[xgn]

What a useless cooler haha sounds like a hairdryer

[Guest HyppoCube]

^^^ I have to agree here. I ran a stock cooler on my 8320 for like a year (the fan finally died) and it was the loudest thing I've ever heard from a computer. Before that I had a A10 running stock cooler, and that shit was INSANELY loud. Like, hair dryer couldn't be overheard through it because it's loud

imagine overclocked 8350 +  2 x stock r9 290

 

sue AMD For hearing loss

[NumLock21]

they should just put an AIO watercooler for their high ends.

They have.

[marldorthegreat]

reading your post i expected a nice 92 or 120mm cooler on that spinning nice and quiet...

 

nope, still more noisy than my stock intel under torture...

That fan is at FULL load. Outside of a case, not tied down stopping vibrations. 

[flipped_bit]

As much as AMD needs money and wants to be the competitive option instead of just the cheap one, I imagine their pricing won't be nearly as low as some of you would like to think.

 

I think the assumption is that while Zen will be a huge leap in performance compared to Excavator, it will almost certainly fall short of Skylake, and probably Haswell as well.  So they still won't have pricing power and will have to be aggressive on price.  An unlocked 4-core for $150-175 would be a huge winner and is within the realm of possibility.

[marldorthegreat]

I think the assumption is that while Zen will be a huge leap in performance compared to Excavator, it will almost certainly fall short of Skylake, and probably Haswell as well.  So they still won't have pricing power and will have to be aggressive on price.  An unlocked 4-core for $150-175 would be a huge winner and is within the realm of possibility.

What the hell are you saying. YOU DONT KNOW, you cant say how zen will perform.

[manikyath]

That fan is at FULL load. Outside of a case, not tied down stopping vibrations. 

so was my intel fan i wired straight to the 12 volts.

[flipped_bit]

What the hell are you saying. YOU DONT KNOW, you cant say how zen will perform.

 

That is what the word "assumption" means. 

 

It isn't very likely that Zen bridges the gap between Excavator and Skylake in the first iteration.  As a frequent purchaser of AMD products, I hope they do, but it's pretty unlikely.

[marldorthegreat]

That is what the word "assumption" means. 

 

It isn't very likely that Zen bridges the gap between Excavator and Skylake in the first iteration.  As a frequent purchaser of AMD products, I hope they do, but it's pretty unlikely.

How is it unlikely. AMD in the last few years have not disappointing. Piledriver was great. 

[MEC-777]

Did you mean revised ?

 

No, I mean revived - as in brought back to life. Looks like all they did was change the fan and add a plastic cover. Though, I guess you could call that revised.

 

That is what the word "assumption" means. 

 

It isn't very likely that Zen bridges the gap between Excavator and Skylake in the first iteration.  As a frequent purchaser of AMD products, I hope they do, but it's pretty unlikely.

 

Why would you say it's "pretty unlikely"? You haven't seen the Zen architecture - they could very well match/exceed Haswell. We won't know until it's released. But I certainly wouldn't make the assumption that it's "pretty unlikely". I'd say it's "quite possible" based on what we know thus far. 

 

I know many of us have the Bulldozer/Excavator etc. performance and characteristics ingrained in our minds, but Zen will be a completely new architecture on a much smaller manufacturing node. To assume lesser performance because of past architectures on larger nodes isn't really logical.

[Prysin]

What?  The intel stock cooler is pretty good for non OC'd systems.

tell that to my 4790k                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             

[Prysin]

No, I mean revived - as in brought back to life. Looks like all they did was change the fan and add a plastic cover. Though, I guess you could call that revised.

 

 

Why would you say it's "pretty unlikely"? You haven't seen the Zen architecture - they could very well match/exceed Haswell. We won't know until it's released. But I certainly wouldn't make the assumption that it's "pretty unlikely". I'd say it's "quite possible" based on what we know thus far. 

 

I know many of us have the Bulldozer/Excavator etc. performance and characteristics ingrained in our minds, but Zen will be a completely new architecture on a much smaller manufacturing node. To assume lesser performance because of past architectures on larger nodes isn't really logical.

and that is a fair point, since from 32nm to 14nm FF+ its like THREE NODES....

THREE DIE SHRINKS IN ONE GENERATION....

[deviant88]

Hint replace the stock fan with a 120mm and you dont even need aftermarket cooling.

[Clyne]

Piff...living with a stock cooler on a 8320 and the new AMD cooler is like a "212 Evo".