AMD FX vs Intel for gaming - 2015 Edition

[Shadow Ghost]

SOME games use more than 4 threads, I saw benchmarks where the i5 4460 was either beating the fx 8350 by some few frames or it was the same, there might be one game or so where the i3 performs as well as t he fx 8350; i5 4460 vs fx 8350 vs 9590: 

 

 

I think by now this discussion is pointless, of course FX CPUs will be at the level of sandy bridge because that's how old they are, the 9590 is a cherry picked 8350 overclocked to hell, that's not product development. I think everyone should forget about AMD until they release Zen, if you already got it, same, wait for Zen. I am not an Intel fanboy, i am simply aware that AMD has too little money on research and haven't made something new in 5 years. Of course i am refering to the FX line up since that's the 'high end'. For a budget oriented build AMD can be a good option. But once we are talking about i5s and above, the simple truth is that there is no competition, in practice, the high end belongs to Intel, and of fucking course i want AMD to kick ass with Zen and kill the current monopoly, but we don't owe anything to any brand, so until that happens, i'm sticking to the facts. FX is not a good option, it's old, it's NOT cheap, and the current flagship CPU AMD offers is...a pile of steaming dogshit, so, hopefully we can have this conversation when Zen is out and it won't be completely obvious to recomend Intel for 150$+ CPUs.

When it comes to gaming it truly doesn't matter CPU wise ether one will do anyways because unless the game is optimized well there are gonna be problems and you need a good GPU so there is no bottlenecking 

[PCPartPickerPro9171787]

This is relevant information if you are spending $500 to $1000 on a graphics card.

[ItsGinger35]

Depends. AAA games that support dual cores the G3258 trumps.

Most support Dual Cores but games that support it usually benefit from 4 cores

[tomas710]

When it comes to gaming it truly doesn't matter CPU wise ether one will do anyways because unless the game is optimized well there are gonna be problems and you need a good GPU so there is no bottlenecking 

What i meant mostly about that comment is that the FX series is outdated. AMD started putting more and more power into their CPUs without any arquitectural changes, so the 9590 is basically AMD's equivalent of the 4790k, except the 4790k had better temps than the 4770k while also having a higher frequency. The moment you see mosfets catching on fire because the CPU draws too much power it should be the moment when you stop. It's a ridiculous product (the 9590) and AMD's last new CPU was the 8150, everything else has been disapointing and not innovative, and that was 2011, my overall point is when Intel is the clear high end, mid end, and now even budget option, AMD has to get their shit together or they will go down.

[Shadow Ghost]

What i meant mostly about that comment is that the FX series is outdated. AMD started putting more and more power into their CPUs without any arquitectural changes, so the 9590 is basically AMD's equivalent of the 4790k, except the 4790k had better temps than the 4770k while also having a higher frequency. The moment you see mosfets catching on fire because the CPU draws too much power it should be the moment when you stop. It's a ridiculous product (the 9590) and AMD's last new CPU was the 8150, everything else has been disapointing and not innovative, and that was 2011, my overall point is when Intel is the clear high end, mid end, and now even budget option, AMD has to get their shit together or they will go down.

 

What i meant mostly about that comment is that the FX series is outdated. AMD started putting more and more power into their CPUs without any arquitectural changes, so the 9590 is basically AMD's equivalent of the 4790k, except the 4790k had better temps than the 4770k while also having a higher frequency. The moment you see mosfets catching on fire because the CPU draws too much power it should be the moment when you stop. It's a ridiculous product (the 9590) and AMD's last new CPU was the 8150, everything else has been disapointing and not innovative, and that was 2011, my overall point is when Intel is the clear high end, mid end, and now even budget option, AMD has to get their shit together or they will go down.

I agree on AMD lagging behind a little 2011 is quite the time but hopefully the ZEN will be some good shit the only problem is if most games support Hyper threading then intel would probably be a No Brainer 

[Robi Dawn]

Have a AMD 8350 and a nvidia 980.... i like gaming at 60 fps for a 250 buck cpu i bought AGES ago. And still keeps kicking it, it has and still is a worth while buy. however, to buy one now and a the mother board etc for it is not worth it over going with a either a 1151 or 2011-3 cpu and board, which I will eventually have to get if AMD don't finally release a new set of cpu's in a decent price to performance ratio. 

[Nena Trinity]

Have a AMD 8350 and a nvidia 980.... i like gaming at 60 fps for a 250 buck cpu i bought AGES ago. And still keeps kicking it, it has and still is a worth while buy. however, to buy one now and a the mother board etc for it is not worth it over going with a either a 1151 or 2011-3 cpu and board, which I will eventually have to get if AMD don't finally release a new set of cpu's in a decent price to performance ratio. 

End of 2016 then Zen will come!

[Prysin]

i5 doesnt have hyper threading:

fx 8350  vs i5 4460:

gaming: i5

2d rendering: i5

3d rendering: fx

an i3 is comparable to an fx 6300 in gaming, etc.

and that is a fair point.

 

However, i3 is only comparable to FX 6300 in slightly older titles....

In newer titles, like the ones that came out this and some titles during last year. The FX display better stability (less flucutations) but slightly lower FPS.

in older titles, like the ones from last year and before, the FX are just plain unreliable...

 

So it really depends. If you plan to play The Witcher 3 on a budget with high settings, FX is better as it fluctuates less.

If you intend to play ubibrokensoft games, arma3 and the likes, intel will do better in general (with the exception of Farcry 4).

 

FX however.. FX just scales really nicely with OC... too bad their IPC is so low in the first place..

 

 

Honestly, being a former FX owner (8320), i can say that if i were to build a new setup today, on a budget... the FX 6300 would be more tempting then any i3... simply because i know how well my 8320 scaled with every MHz added...

[Prysin]

I agree on AMD lagging behind a little 2011 is quite the time but hopefully the ZEN will be some good shit the only problem is if most games support Hyper threading then intel would probably be a No Brainer 

Zen will have hyperthreading... its going to use the same type of "fundamental" architecture as Intel uses, AKA SMT.

Bulldozer, Piledriver (FX), Steamroller (Kaveri) and Excavator (Carrizo) is based on CMT....

[themaniac]

Zen will have hyperthreading... its going to use the same type of "fundamental" architecture as Intel uses, AKA SMT.

Bulldozer, Piledriver (FX), Steamroller (Kaveri) and Excavator (Carrizo) is based on CMT....

they wont have hyperthreading they will have there own version of it

[Nena Trinity]

they wont have hyperthreading they will have there own version of it

Superthreading?

[themaniac]

Superthreading?

AdvancedMicroThreading(or AMT)

[Nena Trinity]

AdvancedMicroThreading(or AMT)

*ROFL*

[SimplyBacon]

I do have an FX-8350 but once you start overclocking it, it easily matches a top tier i5 and maybe a lower tier i7. I got mine overclocked to 4.7GHz and it's been absolutely great. It's funny too, because Directx11 is known to not fully utilize more than 4 cores. Whatever the case, one of these days I will upgrade to an i7 but I'm perfectly happy with my gaming performance with an FX-8350 and a GTX 970.

[Ihaveswag]

I do have an FX-8350 but once you start overclocking it, it easily matches a top tier i5 and maybe a lower tier i7. I got mine overclocked to 4.7GHz and it's been absolutely great. It's funny too, because Directx11 is known to not fully utilize more than 4 cores. Whatever the case, one of these days I will upgrade to an i7 but I'm perfectly happy with my gaming performance with an FX-8350 and a GTX 970.

if you have a cooler that can oc it that far, then you could just get a cheaper one and a better Intel CPU

[Dabombinable]

I do have an FX-8350 but once you start overclocking it, it easily matches a top tier i5 and maybe a lower tier i7. I got mine overclocked to 4.7GHz and it's been absolutely great. It's funny too, because Directx11 is known to not fully utilize more than 4 cores. Whatever the case, one of these days I will upgrade to an i7 but I'm perfectly happy with my gaming performance with an FX-8350 and a GTX 970.

1. An FX 8350 at 5.4GHz only just starts to match a low tier i5 in games and if the task actually benefits from more than 6 threads (an i5 is enough to beat outright an FX 6300 at a higher clock speed), or if the task can actually make use of the CMT architecture at all and have all ALU working, not 1 while the other waits.

2. 1 word on a GTX 970+ FX 8350: bottleneck

 

if you have a cooler that can oc it that far, then you could just get a cheaper one and a better Intel CPU

Or just use the stock cooler.

[Ihaveswag]

1. An FX 8350 at 5.4GHz only just starts to match a low tier i5 in games and if the task actually benefits from more than 6 threads (an i5 is enough to beat outright an FX 6300 at a higher clock speed), or if the task can actually make use of the CMT architecture at all and have all ALU working, not 1 while the other waits.

2. 1 word on a GTX 970+ FX 8350: bottleneck

 

 

Or just use the stock cooler.

jep, the Intel ones are very quiet 

[Guest trucker2]

The new AMD stock coolers for the 7870 and the FX 8xxx series are a thousand times better then intel.

 

And while Kaveri is not considered a gaming APU here is a broadwell review, mid range GPU's, With intel cpu's in the 4 to 5 hundred dollar range. My cheapo A10 7850k will go toe to toe with intels best.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9532/the-intel-broadwell-xeon-e3-v4-review-95w-65w-35w-1285-1285l-1265/6​

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[Ihaveswag]

The new AMD stock coolers for the 7870 and the FX 8xxx series are a thousand times better then intel.

 

And while Kaveri is not considered a gaming APU here is a broadwell review, mid range GPU's, With intel cpu's in the 4 to 5 hundred dollar range. My cheapo A10 7850k will go toe to toe with intels best.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9532/the-intel-broadwell-xeon-e3-v4-review-95w-65w-35w-1285-1285l-1265/6​

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they are like 20% better, but 10x louder

[STRMfrmXMN]

they are like 20% better, but 10x louder

This.

[Guest trucker2]

Middle is old amd from 7850, right is the new from a 7870k. Copper base, copper is like 4 or 8 times better then aluminum. Forget which but its on the web. The FX-8320 has a much thicker copper base but no pic.

 

[Dabombinable]

Middle is old amd from 7850, right is the new from a 7870k. Copper base, copper is like 4 or 8 times better then aluminum. Forget which but its on the web. The FX-8320 has a much thicker copper base but no pic.

 

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So?.......AMD needs better stock coolers for their CPU than Intel.

[Nena Trinity]

jep, the Intel ones are very quiet 

I know a guy who has a i7-4790K and his CPU fan sounds like a freaking chainsaw!!!

[Aniallation]

Middle is old amd from 7850, right is the new from a 7870k. Copper base, copper is like 4 or 8 times better then aluminum. Forget which but its on the web. The FX-8320 has a much thicker copper base but no pic.

The one on the right came with my Phenom II X6. It's actually a pretty epic cooler. Performs just as well as my Hyper 212 in terms of temps. Not in terms of noise though of course. AMD needs to step up from their puny 60(?) mm fans.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Facemans post has testimonials.. are they in this threads OP (didn't see them) But I think their very important to share.