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AMD did not send review samples of upcoming series to hardware reviewers (like LTT) in time for the 16th reveal

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Just gonna weigh in on a couple things here.

1. I do not have any new cards from AMD. I don't have tracking numbers and I haven't received a product briefing, reviewers guide, or even an official release date. I am way beyond giving a crap about unreleased products (they're nice but I've determined that I can easily stay relevant without any release day reviews anymore) so I don't really run around trying to dig these details up in the industry and read the same site you guys do. I know basically nothing about 3xx.

2. There's nothing wrong with letting fans have a sneak peek of something ahead of time. I've heard that Intel seeds processors to game streamers, and Nvidia gave away a whackton of G-SYNC modules.

3. With that said I agree with Ryan's point that something should be independently evaluated prior to release (based on my retailer experience if it's in stores now and a reviewer hasn't had a card for a few days the review won't be ready in time) and from my past experience when a product is objectively really good the brand is beating down the doors of the most trusted journalists to prove how much ass they just kicked.

This behavior looks more like "we can't win with the usual formula here, so let's throw something else at the wall and see if it sticks"

But just like the rest of you I'm speculating.

Ryan may also know more than he says (also speculation) and I'm intentionally waiting until after I post this to ask him so that I'm not revealing something I shouldn't.

The industry is very small and nothing is a secret.

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Luke needs time with the card to make the actual review or you conveniently ignore that part

 

Is the 16th the "release" or the "announcement of the release"? There is a fairly significant difference.

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Is the 16th the "release" or the "announcement of the release"? There is a fairly significant difference.

She said in the review that they are gonna announce it at E3, so not sure if that's also the release.

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She said in the review that they are gonna announce it at E3, so not sure if that's also the release.

 

IIRC when the Titan X was "announced" and "released" the next day, it took about a fortnight for cards to start showing up in stores.

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Luke needs time with the card to make the actual review or you conveniently ignore that part

I'm sure if Linus and the boys were given any given GPU, they could bench, film, edit, record and upload it all in 1 day if they really wanted to. I doubt it takes 4 days for a GPU review man.. come on, let's be real

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That isn't what happened. What they did was invite the social media people to a pre-launch event. Nowhere does it say they will not be providing samples to reviewers.

zMeul Do you write for the Sun or the Daily Mail? Because your thread title is about as far from the truth as anything that is in those gutter press rags.

 

A thread title that actually has any resemblance to the topic would be "AMD invites select users to pre-release event". Hardly news-worthy.

Nah if he did his post wold be far more interesting as it would have pictures of half naked women in ti xD

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Luke needs time with the card to make the actual review or you conveniently ignore that part

 

 

I'm sure if Linus and the boys were given any given GPU, they could bench, film, edit, record and upload it all in 1 day if they really wanted to. I doubt it takes 4 days for a GPU review man.. come on, let's be real

 

@LinusTech a little confirmation/input please.

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I'm sure if Linus and the boys were given any given GPU, they could bench, film, edit, record and upload it all in 1 day if they really wanted to. I doubt it takes 4 days for a GPU review man.. come on, let's be real

have you done actual benchmarking for yourself and I'm not talking about one game benchmark, I talking about a dozen+ of them - it will take more than a 8h work day - and that's with a single card to bench with!

each bench must be re-ran at least 3 times to get some consistency out of it - and that's just time piling up

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have you done actual benchmarking for yourself and I'm not talking about one game benchmark, I talking about a dozen+ of them - it will take more than a 8h work day

Short answer, no, but I could ask the same to you. On top of that, in the 980 Ti review, they benched 5 games (though I will consider time for synthetic benchmarks), they work as a group, it's not as if one individual has all of the work load. As big Moose said, let's see if Linus can provide some input. 

 

Edit - pls add the edit part, didn't get to see the additional parts of your post. Continuing on, yeah obviously they'll re-run for consistency, but it'll only be for that 1 card. If Luke is benching a game that he's done in the past (or reasonably recent), I'm not sure if he's going to re-run the bench for each card. E.g. if he puts Fiji vs. 980 Ti, as long as he has the same benchmarking methodology, I can't see him re-run the 980 Ti again if he did it just weeks ago. 

 

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Short answer, no, but I could ask the same to you.

yes, I did and that's why I'm giving you an informed opinion that benchmarking is not as "magic"

me personally, I don't put much weight on LTT video card benchmarking because they always overclock the cards

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AMD's under new staffing and operation (CEO). So it could just be a measure by Lisa that she doesn't want any information leaking until launch. The way a product launch should be because regardless of how credible independent reviewers are, they still like to leak information. Here we are three days away from the (more than likely) launch date of the new series and we know pretty much jack about them. Fury X is a monster card, R9 390X is likely Hawaii with tweaks and that's about it.

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AMD has done pretty shady things in the past, for example having staged NDAs were reviewers were allowed to post benchmarks from some programs that AMD did well in before the full NDA was lifted.

But since we don't have any confirmation right now all we can do is put down our pitchforks and wait for the card to launch. If people can buy them from stores (more than 1 store selling them too early) and we still don't have reviews then it's a very big problem. Until then, innocent until proven guilty.

It might just be a paper launch in 3 days, and the actual card comes out in like a few weeks (plenty of time for reviewers to get samples)

I am really not a fan of "red team+" though since it encourages fanboyism. It causes fear and doubt to anyone recommending AMD products because the person doing the recommendation might be paid by AMD themselves.

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sounds like it under preforms while priced higher than the 980ti

 

they are doing the same tricks as game devs do when releasing a game

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I'm sure at least 1 source that isn't under NDA or whatever will get hold of a card and put the benchmarks out there.

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Pretty sure every legit reviewer gets one. They just can't talk about it yet.

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PCPer did't get one; LTT didn't get one - who got one? RT+, the AMD's trolls

 

the reveal will be in ~4 days, how much time Linus said it takes to render a video? ~ a week

THE REAVEAL IS IN 3 DAYS, NOT THE RELEASE .  it only took a week to render scrapyard wars as there was so much footage, it will  not takes as long for a shorter video.

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THE REAVEAL IS IN 3 DAYS, NOT THE RELEASE .  it only took a week to render scrapyard wars as there was so much footage, it will  not takes as long for a shorter video.

did amd specifically say reveal rather than release?

 

becaues i agree this suspicious they would normally be more willing to promote their product to non fanboys.

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did amd specifically say reveal rather than release?

 

becaues i agree this suspicious they would normally be more willing to promote their product to non fanboys.

Ther rumours are that fiji is going to be a bit later. I bet they will get there sample on the day of "announcement/reveal" and they will be "released" a week after that. They did it with the r9 290x. Linus did not get his sample until the reveal and had time to make the review before the official release of the r9 290x

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ofc they didnt.

There is soo much garbage rumored lately,

That i dont realy understand, that people even believe in any of those.

 

We will know Tuesday!

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ofc they didnt.

There is soo much garbage rumored lately,

That i dont realy understand, that people even believe in any of those.

We will know Tuesday!

I'm not pretending rumor level are insane, but when one shows from retailer questions are to be asked

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revuenypw1.jpg

 

 

When was the last time that the explanation "we want to build up anticipation so no press, sorry" was used legit for a good product?

This is LTT. One cannot force "style over substance" values & agenda on people that actually aren't afraid to pop the lid off their electronic devices, which happens to be the most common denominator of this community. Rather than take shots at this community in every post, why not seek out like-minded individuals elsewhere?

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When was the last time that the explanation "we want to build up anticipation so no press, sorry" was used legit for a good product?

Never

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Fiji is the only new card. The rumour for fiji is that it will release later. So why would linus have fury if it is going to be released?

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