Paranoia Gone Wrong: Intel, Nvidia, and Others Barred From Selling to China

[patrickjp93]

China should have tech company startups that rival Intel/AMD/Nvidia/IBM

It takes more than money and raw moxy to rival the very best technology research and production companies in the world. It takes time to build such a legacy. Tesla took time. Virgin is still taking time but is growing. IBM and Intel did not simply spring to the forefront overnight. It took IBM 2 decades and took Intel 15 years and both of them hundreds of billions of dollars.

[1800-GPU-MILK]

This is great

[That Norwegian Guy]

In before Intel and Nvidia pack their shit and move out.

[patrickjp93]

In before Intel and Nvidia pack their shit and move out.

Where do you think your tax dollars will go? To make up the difference in revenues to keep them here obviously 

[Atmos]

Yeah, but it's not the US' job to "fix" what they don't like.

 

Do you even realize what you are saying. 

 

What you literally just said was it's not our responsibility to stop human rights violations.

"Oh, this country's population is starving? Fuck 'em, not our problem."

"Oh this country has a facist regime controlling the masses, pumping incalculable amounts of toxins into the air and water straight into their peoples front yards? Fuck em, not our problem."

"Oh thi country is literally oppressing it's people to the point of slaughtering hundreds of unarmed civilians with literal tanks? Not our problem, fuck 'em."

 

It's a fucking attitude like that, which allowed people like HITLER to come to power; a shear unwillingness to stop what you see is obvious wrong and horrible in the world, but being completely complacent while watching countless people die of starvation and disease, being oppressed to the point of not being able to watch foreign media. I'm not saying China is going to suddenly sprout a hitler out of the blue, but if you simply allow people in power to abuse, kill, and destroy tens of millions of lives, then you are no better than they themselves.

[Dimwitted]

This pissing contest is idiotic and really shows how infantile both countries are. On top of that it also shows how out of touch the American movers and shakers are with reality. 50 years ago these sorts of embargoes had teeth. Not any more. Where do AMD and NVidia, both fabless, get their chips made? TSMC. The largest third party chipmaker in the world. Does anyone remember what the T stands for? Yep. Taiwan. You know, the Chinese "protectorate" just off the coast of China. So yeah, don't "sell" to the very people that are making the chips. Guess where several Intel fabs are? Yep. There too. Indonesia is close by as well.

 

It's a joke. Told by clowns.

[Dabombinable]

This pissing contest is idiotic and really shows how infantile both countries are. On top of that it also shows how out of touch the American movers and shakers are with reality. 50 years ago these sorts of embargoes had teeth. Not any more. Where do AMD and NVidia, both fabless, get their chips made? TSMC. The largest third party chipmaker in the world. Does anyone remember what the T stands for? Yep. Taiwan. You know, the Chinese "protectorate" just off the coast of China. So yeah, don't "sell" to the very people that are making the chips. Guess where several Intel fabs are? Yep. There too. Indonesia is close by as well.

 

It's a joke. Told by clowns.

The US government got rid of their department that helped them with technological matters, which is why they are effectively going back to the stone age with their decisions. Which TBH are utterly ridiculous. China can easily source CPU's and GPU's from countries outside of the US. They don't need them shipped directly from Intel, Nvidia and AMD. Because if they go to distributors who aren't actually part of Intel, Nvidia and AMD, the US government can't do shit.

[Olivertheguy]

I think this says a lot about amd...

[SIGSEGV]

Lol, they can just sell it to another company in an asian country who will sell it to the chinease companies. Do you honestly think corporations weren't gonna find a way around it?

[WereCat]

This is stupid.... 

but on the other hand.. AMD must be like:

[AlwaysFSX]

Do you even realize what you are saying. 

 

What you literally just said was it's not our responsibility to stop human rights violations.

"Oh, this country's population is starving? Fuck 'em, not our problem."

"Oh this country has a facist regime controlling the masses, pumping incalculable amounts of toxins into the air and water straight into their peoples front yards? Fuck em, not our problem."

"Oh thi country is literally oppressing it's people to the point of slaughtering hundreds of unarmed civilians with literal tanks? Not our problem, fuck 'em."

 

It's a fucking attitude like that, which allowed people like HITLER to come to power; a shear unwillingness to stop what you see is obvious wrong and horrible in the world, but being completely complacent while watching countless people die of starvation and disease, being oppressed to the point of not being able to watch foreign media. I'm not saying China is going to suddenly sprout a hitler out of the blue, but if you simply allow people in power to abuse, kill, and destroy tens of millions of lives, then you are no better than they themselves.

This is the attitude that causes a loooot of problems. Because then this country will think it's the world police. And want to "solve" everything they don't like whether or not it is actually bad or good. Stay the fuck out of someone else's country unless they ask for your help.

 

And in the case of Hitler, know why he came to power before shouting your mouth, because it's countries like this that created him.

[LePawel]

What!? Someone wants to be better them Mighty 'Murica?! Embargo!

[Dabombinable]

I'm  going to be watching 'Team America: World Police' tomorrow, its very appropriate after this thread.

[-TesseracT-]

I used to love the US. That love is starting to fade away more and more... This makes me really pissed.

[kuddlesworth9419]

America is loosing it's grip on being the most important country. This is nothing new, most things America does today is to try and maintain it's dominance. 

[dylanstevens112]

I recently read a article about the US stopping intel exporting 80,000 Intel Xeon chips to upgrade the chinese Tianhe supercomputer due to the fact that they belive it could be used for nuclier reaserch. 

 

I not sure how much of this fall under tech of politics, but i know for sure that chinese are not going to be happy. The picture below is the Tianhe-2 supercomputer and in its current state it manages 33.86 petaflop/s.

 

 

I think it is in the interests of us national security, but at the same time this is a massive deal for intel and it denying it a massive income!

Intel has also recently signed a deal worth $200 million with the US government to build a new supercomputer for one of the country's national laboratories so it could be seen as intel selling technically 'weapons' to both sides.

 

 

The Tianhe-2 is currently one of the biggest supercomputers in the world and this is before the upgrade!

 

What do you think?

 

The original articles:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-32247532

 

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/systems/us_block_intel_s_china_supercomputer_update/1

[Redsun20]

2 Words. HOLY SHIT

Imagine mining bitcoins with that......

[Timopomer]

fucking stupid from the us.

 

these days anything can be used to do nuclear research...china has nukes so stop being so hypocritical..

 

soon china is going to step into the market and leave intel without a deal like that one

[Timopomer]

2 Words. HOLY SHIT

Imagine mining bitcoins with that......

wouldnt be that good considering these are CPU's and not ASIC's

[gilm0re3]

wouldnt be that good considering these are CPU's and not ASIC's

Dis. CPU's just don't do a good job at BC mining.

[Vexeer]

I'm not going to say much on this, other than this being massively hypocritical from the US.

 

"Oi don't spend money on something that may be used to further any militarization! That money could be spent better elsewhere" -From the country with massive military over-expenditure.

[Redsun20]

wouldnt be that good considering these are CPU's and not ASIC's

Dis. CPU's just don't do a good job at BC mining.

I know, but it will be better than any array of ASIC cards around now. If you have 80,000 18 core Xeons, it wouldn't be to shaby. Just with the shipment that was denied, they would have almost 1.5 million cores that are optimised for that sort of workload. That would go at mighty fast clip on its own, but add in the rest of the computer and you will be flying

[DeViLzzz]

Hey it is the US vs China vs everybody vs everybody.  If you don't have one agreed upon, sensible objective that is beneficial for the entire world this is what you end up with. Grats to the US for slowing down progress. However when it is financially beneficial and politically ok for them to continue building that super computer China will get what it needs.  The world is ****.

[zonahbear]

wouldnt be that good considering these are CPU's and not ASIC's

but they have coprocessors in them which are excellent for mining

[Trik'Stari]

How many times are we going to have to see reposts of this?

 

This is seriously, like the third or fourth one now.