AMD x86 16-core Zen APU detailed

[NeatSquidYT]

 

You don't see multi çore xeons with IGPU.

Actually, the Xeons ending in 2 (I think, 2 or 3) do have iGPUs

[Trik'Stari]

Why does AMD seem to think we want to build giant, overpriced, underperforming consoles?

[cesrai]

Why does AMD seem to think we want to build giant, overpriced, underperforming consoles?

Triky get the fuck out this isn't about consoles.

 

This is about their new APU for servers.

[Zi6iX]

Why does it need to be an apu?

You don't see multi çore xeons with IGPU.

Do you need a apu it you want compute power?

I don't get it AMD.

Only for HSA so...

[Trik'Stari]

What? How does this relate to the thread? Lol

An APU is essentially a CPU for a console....That's what consoles use, APU's instead of a CPU with a dedicated graphics card.

[cesrai]

An APU is essentially a CPU for a console....That's what consoles use, APU's instead of a CPU with a dedicated graphics card.

Triky did you really read the source or the OP ??? 

 

Did you form any thoughts on this APU ??? 

 

Do you think the PCIe lanes it provides is enough ??

 

What bout the 1TB RAM limit ?? 

 

What about HBM that's going to be used ?? 

[Syntaxvgm]

16 cores, 34 threads? What? Am I missing something here?

AMD has not had SMT yet. Hyperthreading is intel's smt- 4 cores, 8 threads for example. 

[Trik'Stari]

Triky did you really read the source or the OP ??? 

 

Did you form any thoughts on this APU ??? 

 

Do you think the PCIe lanes it provides is enough ??

 

What bout the 1TB RAM limit ?? 

 

What about HBM that's going to be used ?? 

Your i5 4690K has an iGPU, so according to your logic, you're also using a console CPU.

 

I know PC's are great and all and they are superior to consoles in most areas, but settle down with the console hate train man. This is a great thing for AMD and PC's in general...you should be glad.

If it works good, and costs less, great. But I had one of their APU's, and even with a dedicated graphics card it was sub-par, and ended up being a waste of money.

 

Until I see it actually deliver, I will remain skeptical.

[deviant88]

@patrickjp93 I disagree a lot but whatever,and bitching at anyone wont solve anything because companies dont care,they do whatever they want,my comment was just a personal discontent about the business models.

Not sure i see a near future where cpu's take 1% of any die.Unless gpu can process everything that cpu's can more efficiently thats a pretty unrealistic statement.As ive said lets say you have a datacenter that needs many cores to process data,what would the gpu be good for?

And software doesnt use 4 cores or more? thats pretty silly,any modern server/software/game uses 4 or more cores,but until Mantle/DX12/Vulkan they wont be used effciently to their full potential for games but software does use them.Why would intel offer lga 2011 6-8 cores cpu's with no iGPU and Xeons with up to 16 cores no iGPU if only 4 can be used?

Im no professional,hobbyist at best ok ? but the few programs im using or used are definately using 4 or more cores,UE4,blender,Visual Studio all used my 4 cores to 100% when compiling/baking lights/rendering etc. or you expect silly apps to use 4 core like messenger?

Intel doesnt release,in my opinion, desktop i3/5/7 4/6/8 cores because they have no competition,and they are doing it on purpose so they dont dampen sales for the time when they will have any competition if ever,then they can add those cores they have been holding off.

And software developers are always at fault not adapting to what hardware can do.

My whole point is they are trying to forcefully sell us something that we dont use,both intel and amd,instead of making stronger CPU's which we do need.My igpu has been doing nothing for 2 years since i bought my i5.And if i had an amd APU with dedicated gpu same story-> useless.Software is using cpu cores more and more,while i cant honestly name a single app professional or not that uses anything related to HSA.So they see a future different than reality and try to sell products based on something that is not even being used.

Unless they make HSA computing a standard making everyone buy APU's just because a small percentage might use in the future doesnt make sense,they should make special products(APU) for that market only.

[Trik'Stari]

If it works good, and costs less, great. But I had one of their APU's, and even with a dedicated graphics card it was sub-par, and ended up being a waste of money.

 

Until I see it actually deliver, I will remain skeptical.

Addendum: My IGPU on my 4690k, ran games better than AMD's A10 5700(nonK) FM2 APU, even with a gtx 660.

[Sakkura]

If it works good, and costs less, great. But I had one of their APU's, and even with a dedicated graphics card it was sub-par, and ended up being a waste of money.

 

Until I see it actually deliver, I will remain skeptical.

 

This is not for you. This is for compute farms and stuff like that.

 

Addendum: My IGPU on my 4690k, ran games better than AMD's A10 5700(nonK) FM2 APU, even with a gtx 660.

 

With a GTX 660... you need to compare without the GTX 660 if you want to be even slightly fair to the A10-5700.

[azurezeed]

Now we only need to know the price, this APU is looking very promising

[spartaman64]

im confused 16 cores and 32 threads? its an apu so some of the cores would be gpu but 32 threads? so it has more than 2 threads per cpu core so if its 12gpu and 4 cpu it has 8 threads per cpu core?

[cesrai]

im confused 16 cores and 32 threads? its an apu so some of the cores would be gpu but 32 threads? so it has more than 2 threads per cpu core

What are you saying ?? 16*2= 32 and we don't know anything about the GPU yet

[spartaman64]

What are you saying ?? 16*2= 32 and we don't know anything about the GPU yet

they said its an apu so its going to have gpu cores 

 

edit: NVM they said 16 zen cores so gpu is not included in the core count

[FakezZ]

AMD has not had SMT yet. Hyperthreading is intel's smt- 4 cores, 8 threads for example. 

So it is threads = (cores*2) + 2 as far as AMD is concerned?

[cesrai]

they said its an apu so its going to have gpu cores 

Yes it will but as far as we know it has 16 x86 cores so 16 CPU cores.

[spartaman64]

So it is threads = (cores*2) + 2 as far as AMD is concerned?

16*2 is 32

[RexinOridle]

:blink:  :blink:  :blink:

 

16 core APU?!!!

 

oh maybe its their marketing again

 

12 GPU cores and 4 CPU cores

 

No, it says up-to 16 x86 cores. And as it shows in the photo, it's separate from the gpu core. I really hope you are wrong, for the sake of humanity.

[Notional]

Much snip, many delete.

 

Unless they make HSA computing a standard making everyone buy APU's just because a small percentage might use in the future doesnt make sense,they should make special products(APU) for that market only.

 

HSA is a standard, including ARM, QUALCOMM, Samsung, Texas Instruments, etc., which means only Apple (on the phone market) and Intel + Nvidia (on the pc market) are not a part of it.

 

You need you read up on integer and floating point data, because your entire post, reeks of ignorance. @patrickjp93 is right on this point. A GPU will blow ANY CPU out of the water in Floating Point data, which more and more data centres, focuses on. With HSA, it is possible to do threads, that can shift from the GPU to CPU, back and forth, if needed. @Opcode knows a billion times more than me though.

 

So an APU with HSA, makes it possible to use the integrated GPU for floating point compute, meaning that it is not a waste, on the contrary. When double precision becomes important, you need even more GPU power.

[Mister Snow]

Addendum: My IGPU on my 4690k, ran games better than AMD's A10 5700(nonK) FM2 APU, even with a gtx 660.

 

First of all, not everything revolves around gaming and this is great for servers. 

Then, you are comparing top i5 to AMD's old mid range APU and you should know that AMD CPU cores have lower IPC than Intel cores which is why you see the difference. In your case CPU cores are bottlenecking which has nothing to do with APU's. Zen core is a whole new architecture so we are expecting good IPC from AMD but that yet remains to be seen.     Also, Intel's advantage in great part comes from better floating point coprocessor and GPU's are a lot faster at calculating floats so by connecting CPU and GPU on the same die you can get much much better floating point calculation speeds which you could not get by going with a pure CPU die but that implementation needs developer support now.

 

People get used to things the way they are and when something new comes it starts a riot all of a sudden, everybody starts screaming how they want nothing more then a pure CPU when in reality it's an old inferior design that can now finally be replaced with a new and improved one. iGPU is not there just for casual gaming, it brings many other benefits.

[SIGSEGV]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[8uhbbhu8]

If AMD Can pull this off it will really give them an edge in the market.

Looks to be one beast APU. If power consumption isnt through the roof and the APU Cores are done right, AMD could slice right through the other server processors.

 

 

Also what you guys need to remember is THIS IS NOT A GAMING/EVERYDAY USE APU/CPU. IT IS A SERVER GRADE PART. Servers run very differently to gaming and everyday use consumer rigs.

[dalekphalm]

There are a few people in this thread that keep repeating "16 cores, 34 threads". I have no idea where you got that number, but it's not from the OP folks. The APU has 16 cores, 32 threads. The picture and source clearly state this.

 

I'm assuming someone just had a typo, and a few people ran with it without thinking.

 

Also, as mentioned like 40 times already, these are 16 CPU cores. The GPU is entirely above and beyond this. We have no idea how powerful the GPU section of the APU is.

[szomeret]

Either Zen cores are very small or this will be a very big chip. The diagram clearly shows and labels 16 "Zen" cores. I'm more interested in the characteristics of the Zen core. If it has better per core performance than the AMD F15h M60h (aka bdver4) this would be a reasonable chip for servers. Provided the power draw isn't too high.

But, uh, Fudzilla has a less than good record with AMD leaks.