Apple Hires Anand Lal Shimpi

[DaRk0]

Congrats to Anand. I'm happy for him.

[RH00D]

Please don't be arrogant, and read this:

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/technology/google-australia-paid-71m-in-tax-in-2013/story-e6frgakx-1226901924667?nk=1446dc96134afbd53206081c73ecc359

 

The companies such as Apple Australia, pay money to 'Apple Sales International', for use of Intellectual property (a company charging another arm of the same company for IP is ludicrous). Apple paid $34.6 million in tax on revenue of $6 billion, which is a 3.6% tax rate, while local companies pay regular taxes.

 

Ireland is a tax haven, Apple Australia uses said tax haven to pay unfairly lower amounts to the Government to trade here. I see the article you linked says the US can dip in, but here, 3.5% tax for $6 billion in trade is unfair and cheating the system.

If you read the entirety of the article he posted you'll he that these companies putting money in foreign countries actually equates to more taxes when they bring it back into the U.S. which they will.

 

It's all in this paragraph:

 

There is one final point that should be made here. All those lovely companies in Ireland, Bermuda, Singapore and so on that reduce their tax liabilities to other countries. In the end they increase the potential tax liability in the US. For the end point and aim of making a profit is to return that money to the shareholders: that is the point of being a company, to make money for them. And to do that you either need to pay a dividend or to conduct a stock buyback. Both of which require bringing the money back into the US. At which point it would have to pay the US corporate income tax. And please note, that corporate income tax is paid at the US tax rate minus foreign taxes already paid. And if some pretty cool moves are made to reduce the amount of foreign taxes paid then that will increase the amount of US corporate income tax which might or would be paid upon repatriation of those foreign profits.

[jezza39]

If you read the entirety of the article he posted you'll he that these companies putting money in foreign countries actually equates to more taxes when they bring it back into the U.S. which they will.

 

It's all in this paragraph:

 

There is one final point that should be made here. All those lovely companies in Ireland, Bermuda, Singapore and so on that reduce their tax liabilities to other countries. In the end they increase the potential tax liability in the US. For the end point and aim of making a profit is to return that money to the shareholders: that is the point of being a company, to make money for them. And to do that you either need to pay a dividend or to conduct a stock buyback. Both of which require bringing the money back into the US. At which point it would have to pay the US corporate income tax. And please note, that corporate income tax is paid at the US tax rate minus foreign taxes already paid. And if some pretty cool moves are made to reduce the amount of foreign taxes paid then that will increase the amount of US corporate income tax which might or would be paid upon repatriation of those foreign profits.

 

That's not my point though, while it appears to work out fine for the US, they still only pay 3.5% tax here in Australia. If they want to trade here, they should pay the same rates everyone else does.

[murratri]

Exuse me?  

 

Well,  I DON'T pray to Gabe...

HOW DARE YOU, WITCH your a witch!

[Victorious Secret]

ITT: some people not understanding how tax law works, what tax shelters and evasion actually are, and what tax inversion is and what all these companies actually do. 

[Builder]

That's not my point though, while it appears to work out fine for the US, they still only pay 3.5% tax here in Australia. If they want to trade here, they should pay the same rates everyone else does.

This is becoming off topic. Please take it to a PM.

[ObeseWalrus]

it le iluminate

[mr moose]

ITT: some people not understanding how tax law works, what tax shelters and evasion actually are, and what tax inversion is and what all these companies actually do. 

 

Over the last 30 years I have relied on accountants, the tax office, specialists, certified engineers, insured tradesmen, etc etc etc, for all my information and advice,  Little did I know I could just come here given how many knowledgeable professionals we have.  :rolleyes:

 

It's really simple guys,  ALL companies try to minimize their tax liability and increase their profit.  When they do something illegal they usually get caught and punished, when they do it in a legal manor they simply get frowned upon.

 

A countries government can change it's laws whenever it wants,  so you have to ask, if any company is avoiding huge taxes by shifting capital or cash overseas then why don't they change the law?  Simple, they know shit we don't, they know the impacts of any changes to tax law. 

 

For all the conspiracy and anti government talk there is around here, you'd think that people had forgotten that for any company to be successful and make money, it's customers have to have money to spend.  Clearly there are a few exceptions, but in the world of consumer electronics that is rarely the case. Ergo a balance is found where the governments look like they are doing the right thing, the companies are making money and staying in the country and the consumers still have cash to spend on luxury items (because essentially that's what most consumer electronics are).

 

EDIT: to stay on topic, well done Anand, hope it works out for you and the secrecy surrounding your new role has nothing to do with world domination.

[Builder]

ALL companies try to minimize their tax liability and increase their profit.

In the US, they're actually required to. There are shareholder obligations. If a company could be saving money in a way it's not, they can actually get investigated for it.

[patrickjp93]

In the US, they're actually required to. There are shareholder obligations. If a company could be saving money in a way it's not, they can actually get investigated for it.

Which is a travesty. Companies should have an obligation to their workers and other beneficiaries. The U.S. has been rotting from the inside out the moment Reagan put shareholders on a pedestal. Without workers the shareholders have nothing, end of story.

[Builder]

Which is a travesty. Companies should have an obligation to their workers and other beneficiaries. The U.S. has been rotting from the inside out the moment Reagan put shareholders on a pedestal. Without workers the shareholders have nothing, end of story.

I agree quite frankly but facts are facts

 

I suspect we agree on a lot of stuff given your apparent spite for Reagan.

[Lavachyste]

I think that's a great news.

 

If the guy knows anything about a PC and a Mac, knows his job, then he can offer a lot to Apple. Help them make better product and all.

 

I think that can aonly be good as long as he keeps his integrity and roots.

[LAwLz]

I think this is bad. Very, very bad. And before you write me off as a fanboy I am going to explain why.

There are essentially only 3 people I care about when it comes to mobile reviews. Brian Klug, Anand and Joshua Ho. Earlier this year, Apple hired Brian Klug. Now, Apple has hired Anand.

I don't see this as "oh Apple has gained a really good reviewer" I see this as "oh, I have lost one of the handful of reviewers I care about".

 

Congratulations to Anand for getting a job at Apple. I am sure he is very pleased by it, but I am not.

[deviant88]

Faker and traitor... i hope he does bad and gets fired. Apple uhh would you look at that,some people are desperate.

[Valentyn]

I think this is bad. Very, very bad. And before you write me off as a fanboy I am going to explain why.

There are essentially only 3 people I care about when it comes to mobile reviews. Brian Klug, Anand and Joshua Ho. Earlier this year, Apple hired Brian Klug. Now, Apple has hired Anand.

I don't see this as "oh Apple has gained a really good reviewer" I see this as "oh, I have lost one of the handful of reviewers I care about".

 

Congratulations to Anand for getting a job at Apple. I am sure he is very pleased by it, but I am not.

 

I rather agree. I just recently read Anand's decade old article on how he first tried a Mac, and even then you could see how much better he was than the vast majority of tech people.

 

I'm happy for him, and I'm sure he'll be happy working with Apple, but there's a massive void in the tech journalist field now. Who is going to be able to fill that, and with the same quality work.

 

Faker and traitor... i hope he does bad and gets fired. Apple uhh would you look at that,some people are desperate.

 

May I ask in what way he is a "faker and traitor"?

[smjpl]

So what do people think this will do for Anand's credibility? This will all be based on pure speculation but sure that's okay.

 

So a possible role for Anand is somewhere in PR. Well how are you going to feel about Anand if he is the person trying to influence you on Apples behalf? He gained his popularity based upon being a independent reviewer but this is no longer the case though. Anand is now biased. So will you go in with some skepticism or will you feel the same as when he was unbiased reviewer?

[Valentyn]

So what do people think this will do for Anand's credibility? This will all be based on pure speculation but sure that's okay.

 

So a possible role for Anand is somewhere in PR. Well how are you going to feel about Anand if he is the person trying to influence you on Apples behalf? He gained his popularity based upon being a independent reviewer but this is no longer the case though. Anand is now biased. So will you go in with some skepticism or will you feel the same as when he was unbiased reviewer?

 

It does nothing to his credibility for me. He's also not biased, since he no longer writes for Anandtech. He's left it.

He always was, and is a brilliant tech journalist and reviewer.

I think it would do many good to read his decade old articles when he first tried OS X for a month, after being a die-hard PC user. Since then he's actually just opened his eyes, and removed old bias, since he was able to write about tech from a broader perspective, based on actual experience and knowledge.

A Month with a Mac -Part 1 : A Die-hard PC User's Perspective

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1500

Part 2: The Mobile Experience

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1594

 

 

Personally I hope he gets a role somewhere with hardware, and influences future products development. He's always been critical of Apple's issues, especially where hardware was involved. I think he could really help get out better specced system people truly want, and need in many cases.

[smjpl]

He's also not biased, since he no longer writes for Anandtech. He's left it.

 

 

Does this not make him more biased? He now works for one of the companies he was previously reviewing.

[Lavachyste]

 

 

 

 

Personally I hope he gets a role somewhere with hardware, and influences future products development. He's always been critical of Apple's issues, especially where hardware was involved. I think he could really help get out better specced system people truly want, and need in many cases.

 

Exactly, That is what I think. The guy could really kick in and get better stuff going for Apple. It's a chance for Apple and him to actually make better work. Now, let's see the results, 'cause that's what matter.

[Valentyn]

Does this not make him more biased? He now works for one of the companies he was previously reviewing.

 

Hardly. If he worked for ANY tech company people could suddenly claim he's biased towards them. Even if it was Foxconn. It doesn't mean he'll start going on about how they're the second coming for tech. He's a very unbiased and rational tech reviewer. 

If anything I believe his rationality and objectivity would benefit Apple in making better choices for the end user.

Would you, or someone else suddenly question him if he went to Intel, or AMD in the same manner? One needs only look at any of his work since the creation of AnandTech to know where his credibility is.

[steffen_anywhere]

You do know that Samsung makes Apple's SoC-s,right?

 

TSMC makes all the newer Apple SoC's... They are all designed by Apple (A6, A6X, A7, A8,...). TSMC first shipped 20nm parts to Apple.

 

Samsung does make the displays tho. Much retina, very wow so to speak... The fact that they compete with the very displays they basically make is weird... On the other hand, that kind of display is not that amazing any more.

[smjpl]

Hardly. If he worked for ANY tech company people could suddenly claim he's biased towards them. Even if it was Foxconn. It doesn't mean he'll start going on about how they're the second coming for tech. He's a very unbiased and rational tech reviewer. 

If anything I believe his rationality and objectivity would benefit Apple in making better choices for the end user.

Would you, or someone else suddenly question him if he went to Intel, or AMD in the same manner? One needs only look at any of his work since the creation of AnandTech to know where his credibility is.

 

No I am not saying to judge his credibility because he went to Apple but now that he works for the company, he can't be completely unbiased. If Apple brings out a shit product, he can turnaround and say "yeah I know it is a bit shit".

 

What I am getting at (and he may never be in this position) is that he may be employed as a public PR speaker. Well this role would be certainly biased role (no arguing that) so would you feel that Anand would give you the truth (or the closest thing to it), or would it just turn out to be another guy reading off his script.

 

(Like this guy - the part at 1.50 really cracks me up)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62x8Oq_QP4

[MrSuperb]

So what do people think this will do for Anand's credibility? This will all be based on pure speculation but sure that's okay.

 

So a possible role for Anand is somewhere in PR. Well how are you going to feel about Anand if he is the person trying to influence you on Apples behalf? He gained his popularity based upon being a independent reviewer but this is no longer the case though. Anand is now biased. So will you go in with some skepticism or will you feel the same as when he was unbiased reviewer?

 

How is he more biased then reviewers who get free units to keep?

[Valentyn]

 

What I am getting at (and he may never be in this position) is that he may be employed as a public PR speaker. Well this role would be certainly biased role (no arguing that) so would you feel that Anand would give you the truth (or the closest thing to it), or would it just turn out to be another guy reading off his script.

 

I do believe he will always give the honest and truthful answer, if not he effectively kills all his credibility he's accumulated over a near two decades of AnandTech and working in the tech industry. It would affectively render him useless for any such future roles.

 

There is also no evidence at all that he'd be a PR speaker. It's not something anyone that's followed him would think he's good at. He's too rational and objective, to try and spin something in a positive light when it's clearly not.

He's a tech guy, not a marketing speaker.

[smjpl]

How is he more biased then reviewers who get free units to keep?

 

I don't think Anand was going to ruin the reputation of himself and his company for a free product or two. Working for Apple though, he may not have that choice. He ain't the boss anymore. He may have to stand behind decisions that he may not 100% believe in. And if he does receive a public speaking PR role then there is a chance this could happen.