So, GabeN and NVIDIA teamed up...

[ACatWithThumbs]

Valve really shouldn't be picking favorites like this, given how much power they have.

It's not about having favorites.

Nvidia has right now just the best streaming solution available.

Why shouldn't they give different options to choose from?

[Victorious Secret]

It's not about having favorites.

Nvidia has right now just the best streaming solution available.

Why shouldn't they give different options to choose from?

 

Exactly. If AMD had anything on this level, Valve would go there. 

 

Some people don't get that business is as much playing favourites as it is picking what is best. 

[bogus]

It's not about having favorites.

Nvidia has right now just the best streaming solution available.

Why shouldn't they give different options to choose from?

Why shouldn't Valve improve their OS to deliver what is one of the propositions it has, wich is game streaming? Instead they choose to go proprietary?

It's just money speaking, nothing more. Easy money for Valve.

[ACatWithThumbs]

Why shouldn't Valve improve their OS to deliver what is one of the propositions it has, wich is game streaming? Instead they choose to go proprietary?

It's just money speaking, nothing more. Easy money for Valve.

I think you don't get how Nvidias streaming works.

Nvidias streaming is hardware based which is exactly why it's superior to everything else and the reason they use it.

If AMD comes with their own version you will se them implementing it as well.

This has nothing to do with money but with getting the best streaming experience to everybody.

Why should Valve use a software solution that doesn't work good?

This way everyone gets the best out of their set up.

 

[captain cactus]

Aw yess. Go GabeN. But right now Source and nVidia drivers is not a very stable combo, particularly with TF2.

[Kingofpants]

mantle was made obsolete by DX12 and oGL, and that was the entire point of it...

openCL doesnt really have much to do in this discussion

HSA kinda does because it's a really inovativte technology but that's not Nvidias turf. Just to throw that out there.

[mr moose]

So Valve (a company built on gaming), decides to work closely with a video card company because it has the largest market share, arguable better streaming technology and a larger R+D budget.  How is that a bad business move or evil?  Honestly if you get shitty with valve for wanting to stay competitive and offer more products for their customers then you really don't understand much.

[DaRk0]

Yeah, about that...

I can't believe people are still posting this video. Linus' reaction is on par with 12 years old kid. Cool for some people I guess.

Also this.

http://www.cnet.com/news/torvalds-gives-nvidia-software-thumbs-up-not-middle-finger/

[cesrai]

What the hell is OpenCL got to do here?

CUDA is miles ahead of it already.

 

And Mantle...ah.It was just AMD trying to make a move in the right direction.Their implementation obviously failed,but at least they also changed the industry's direction too(DX12,OpenGL,etc.).They were hoping Mantle would become an industry standard,but I'm pretty sure it won't.In that case,their backup was that Mantle would give them a good karma in front of the public.

 

On the side note : OpenCL was developed originally by Apple,and then in collab. with AMD,Qualcomm,IBM,Intel and Nvidia.

What are you saying OpenCL is an API dude review your information.

[Nineshadow]

What are you saying OpenCL is an API dude review your information.

Yeah.It's a framework actually,not just an API.

Did I say it wasn't?

[cesrai]

Yeah.It's a framework actually,not just an API.

Did I say it wasn't?

you said I qoute: " What the hell is OpenCL got to do here? CUDA is miles ahead of it already." you basically treated OpenCL as Architecture and that CUDA is way ahead of it so I believe you meant stream processor as I know it maybe I am wrong CUDA is the name Nvidia GPU cores.

[Nineshadow]

you said I qoute: " What the hell is OpenCL got to do here? CUDA is miles ahead of it already." you basically treated OpenCL as Architecture and that CUDA is way ahead of it so I believe you meant stream processor as I know it maybe I am wrong CUDA is the name Nvidia GPU cores.

CUDA is a framework too.

It's an API,it has instruction sets,libraries,etc.

 

I wasn't talking about CUDA processors.

[cesrai]

Dirty AMD peasants,                                                                                                                         Glorious PC Gaming Valvidia Master Race

so keyes from NCIX is a peasant and I am peasant and I thought you were more classy young lady

[bogus]

I think you don't get how Nvidias streaming works.

Nvidias streaming is hardware based which is exactly why it's superior to everything else and the reason they use it.

If AMD comes with their own version you will se them implementing it as well.

This has nothing to do with money but with getting the best streaming experience to everybody.

Why should Valve use a software solution that doesn't work good?

This way everyone gets the best out of their set up.

Sure I know how it works. But why are you trying to make what I said about NVIDIA? This is on Valve, not NVIDIA.

NVIDIA can do whatever they want, they are not the ones who are making a free OS called SteamOS wich one of the main propositions it has is Game Streaming. I didn't want to get SteamOS because hardware vendors have streaming, I wanted because SteamOS has streaming.

I liked SteamOS because Valve was making it free in a open source platform - finnaly neutral ground for gaming, no more bullshit - and I was hoping for them to deliver what they proposed to offer with their OS, wich is Streaming. Yet they are not getting the best Streaming for everyone, apparently it's only for NVIDIA hardware. What about Intel? AMD? It's that the way everyone is getting the best out of their setup like you said? 

Now you are saying AMD and Intel have to come with a solution? Are you serious? What about Valve, shouldn't they be looking for a solution and make an effort to deliver something since it's their OS and pitched it has a platform for Streaming? Or are they passing the ball to IHVs?

Cause if that is the case, then what is the difference between SteamOS and Windows? It's free? Because that falls short when people spend thousands of dollars on PC builds, what is a OS in the middle of that...

Why didn't Valve address Intel, NVIDIA and AMD and said: "Listen we are making this free OS, we are focusing it on Streaming, and we want to ask you to access your hardware to improve the streaming quality we are set to achieve in our OS for every client of ours that uses your hardware"

What about that? No one would say no to them. In fact those who would say "No" could make their own proprietary streaming application for SteamOS, they are free to do so - but Valve should be delivering the best experience they could achieve with their OS, because that's what they were set to do - for everyone, not for some. Isn't that in their interest?

Unless they can't deliver what they were set to do with streaming... and again I'll say, why go for SteamOS if they can't deliver good streaming quality?

They can always change in their website: Steam OS with kinda nice Streaming on Intel and AMD hardware, but great in NVIDIA hardware.

[theABCshop]

[Speedbird]

If I don't see GABEN working with team Red soon I'm gonna be pissed.

[mr moose]

So let me get this straight,  Valve is working to give people a free OS (hidden costs of course) that leverages the best attributes from hardware vendors and people are still complaining. 

[ACatWithThumbs]

Sure I know how it works. But why are you trying to make what I said about NVIDIA? This is on Valve, not NVIDIA.

NVIDIA can do whatever they want, they are not the ones who are making a free OS called SteamOS wich one of the main propositions it has is Game Streaming. I didn't want to get SteamOS because hardware vendors have streaming, I wanted because SteamOS has streaming.

I liked SteamOS because Valve was making it free in a open source platform - finnaly neutral ground for gaming, no more bullshit - and I was hoping for them to deliver what they proposed to offer with their OS, wich is Streaming. Yet they are not getting the best Streaming for everyone, apparently it's only for NVIDIA hardware. What about Intel? AMD? It's that the way everyone is getting the best out of their setup like you said? 

Now you are saying AMD and Intel have to come with a solution? Are you serious? What about Valve, shouldn't they be looking for a solution and make an effort to deliver something since it's their OS and pitched it has a platform for Streaming? Or are they passing the ball to IHVs?

Cause if that is the case, then what is the difference between SteamOS and Windows? It's free? Because that falls short when people spend thousands of dollars on PC builds, what is a OS in the middle of that...

Why didn't Valve address Intel, NVIDIA and AMD and said: "Listen we are making this free OS, we are focusing it on Streaming, and we want to ask you to access your hardware to improve the streaming quality we are set to achieve in our OS for every client of ours that uses your hardware"

What about that? No one would say no to them. In fact those who would say "No" could make their own proprietary streaming application for SteamOS, they are free to do so - but Valve should be delivering the best experience they could achieve with their OS, because that's what they were set to do - for everyone, not for some. Isn't that in their interest?

Unless they can't deliver what they were set to do with streaming... and again I'll say, why go for SteamOS if they can't deliver good streaming quality?

They can always change in their website: Steam OS with kinda nice Streaming on Intel and AMD hardware, but great in NVIDIA hardware.

No you don't seem to understand how Nvidias solution works or else you would understand why Valve simply can't change anything for Intel/AMD hardware.

The streaming on Nvidia GPUs works with a dedicated encoder built into the GPU.

Valve can't just magically make a chip appear on a AMD GPUs just like they can't magically let a audio chip appear on Nvidia GPUs to support true audio.

Valve gives everyone software streaming and if your GPU/CPU supports a hardware solution they will also support it.

This has no negative effect on anybody nor does it close down anything.

I would like to know what Valve is supposed to do in your opinion? 

 

[ManOfDisguise]

this means the definite defeat of AMD! YESSSSS I KNEW IT!

[virtualTune]

Half Life 3 included with GTX 800 series CONFIRMED!  

there is no GTX 800 series

[bogus]

No you don't seem to understand how Nvidias solution works or else you would understand why Valve simply can't change anything for Intel/AMD hardware.

The streaming on Nvidia GPUs works with a dedicated encoder built into the GPU.

Valve can't just magically make a chip appear on a AMD GPUs just like they can't magically let a audio chip appear on Nvidia GPUs to support true audio.

Valve gives everyone software streaming and if your GPU/CPU supports a hardware solution they will also support it.

This has no negative effect on anybody nor does it close down anything.

I would like to know what Valve is supposed to do in your opinion? 

 

Why do you acuse me of ignorance when you are the one showing it? Now I have to ask you this: do YOU understand how Intel and AMD solution works? Because you don't seem to understand.

I don't know what kind of information/misinformation NVIDIA is passing to their fans, it's probably the same old bullshit of "we are the only ones/we are the pioneers/we invented". Here is the reality check:

NVIDIA streaming works just like Intel Quicksync and AMD Raptr - they all use GPU encoders. It's a common standard thing in GPUs and it's been around for quite a while.

Check, for example: http://developer.amd.com/community/blog/2014/02/19/introducing-video-coding-engine-vce/

So yeah, Valve doesn't have to make a chip appear with the works of MAGIC in AMD and Intel solutions, because it's already there for a long time. Unlike NVIDIA and Intel, AMD is the only one with a dedicated Audio Processor (TrueAudio), so I don't know why you brought this up to this topic.

Now we have this: Valve ONLY supports NVIDIA hardware solution and only offers software solutions for Intel and AMD hardware, lowering CPU performance and therefore the gaming quality. This has a HUGE negative impact in both Intel and AMD users that get a worst experience because Valve doesn't seem to want to do a better job - they want to make a average solution, and now are waiting for IHV to make each one a solution to the problem Valve was set to achieve with SteamOS.

In other words: it seems that Valve wants each one of the IHV to solve SteamOS streaming problems. That's a big red flag right there. 

So I will say again what I think Valve should do: they should ask for access to every IHV GPU and their encoders, and build what they were set to do with SteamOS: the best game in-house streaming experience for their users, their own work - making a lower quality software streaming and sit back waiting for IHVs intervention it's a shitty behavior when it's THEIR OS and it's THEIR PROPOSITION to have game streaming. If they are just set to give the average experience, then their OS is set to be average.

It shouldn't be about "SteamOS In-Home streaming supports NVIDIA hardware", it should be "SteamOS In-Home streaming uses dedicated GPU encoders" - that's why I say they are being paid. It's PR, and it's bullshit. If Valve is set to give the best In-Home Streaming then they should have been talking to every IHV and deliver it to everyone. If not, then it's just money talking. Did they say they are working with others IHVs? No. So either they are not working with them, or they didn't want to say it. Weird right? 

Else why the hell should Intel and AMD go to Valve? Why don't they just invest their time in Windows then, if Valve has a passive behavior when it comes to Streaming and IHVs hardware support? I'm sure some would share their tech and help Valve, after all IHVs want to support their customers - but they surely shouldn't be doing Valves work. It's in Valve interest because it's Valve OS.

[LukaP]

so keyes from NCIX is a peasant and I am peasant and I thought you were more classy young lady

its a joke... hence the spoiler tag which is obviously exaggareted in a manner meant to be funny

[cesrai]

its a joke... hence the spoiler tag which is obviously exaggareted in a manner meant to be funny

Don't worry I know it's a joke I really do

[marldorthegreat]

Hail GabeN.

Shut up. You are the reason steam fanboys look stupid

[ittom14]

Half Life 3 included with GTX 800 series CONFIRMED!  

GTX 900 series get it right. I know it's dumb that they are skipping the GTX 800 series it will just add to confusion.