Pornographic sites subject to the same rules as social media sites

[MrDJSilva]

Summary

EU is treating pornographic sites such as pornhub and others as normal social media sites and needs to adhere to strict social media eu rules...

 

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The European Commission (the EU's executive arm) says VLOPs have until February 17 to comply with the DSA's general requirements. Those include making it easy for users to flag illegal content, prioritizing reports from "trusted flaggers," providing a means of appeal for content moderation decisions, publishing an annual transparency report detailing content moderation processes and bolstering their systems to "ensure a high level of privacy, security and safety of minors."

 

My thoughts

I mean with what i think is don't they already have a reporting system (pretty sure there is) but I honestly don't think they should be treated like sites like Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Also, the whole thing with the safety of minors is a concern but they aren't even allowed on the site in the first place.. if this turns into submitting my ID or some verification system which be kind of lame but i get it the gov wants removed illegal content which is good but isn't there a way anyway far as i know you can't even upload the hub unless you submit a photo verification with ya username... either way 

 

Sources

https://www.engadget.com/pornhub-and-xvideos-will-be-subject-to-the-same-strict-eu-rules-as-social-media-sites-123922469.html?src=rss

[Dedayog]

12 minutes ago, MrDJSilva said:

Summary

EU is treating pornographic sites such as pornhub and others as normal social media sites and needs to adhere to strict social media eu rules...

 

Quotes

 

My thoughts

I mean with what i think is don't they already have a reporting system (pretty sure there is) but I honestly don't think they should be treated like sites like Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Also, the whole thing with the safety of minors is a concern but they aren't even allowed on the site in the first place.. if this turns into submitting my ID or some verification system which be kind of lame but i get it the gov wants removed illegal content which is good but isn't there a way anyway far as i know you can't even upload the hub unless you submit a photo verification with ya username... either way 

 

Sources

https://www.engadget.com/pornhub-and-xvideos-will-be-subject-to-the-same-strict-eu-rules-as-social-media-sites-123922469.html?src=rss

"My thoughts

I mean with what i think is don't they already have a reporting system (pretty sure there is) but I honestly don't think they should be treated like sites like Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Also, the whole thing with the safety of minors is a concern but they aren't even allowed on the site in the first place.. if this turns into submitting my ID or some verification system which be kind of lame but i get it the gov wants removed illegal content which is good but isn't there a way anyway far as i know you can't even upload the hub unless you submit a photo verification with ya username... either way "

 

Huh?  Anyone anywhere can access Pornhub or similar at any age.  My kid at 12 was looking at bondage porn at his friends house.  

 

Clicking a box that says I am over 18 isn't security.   Not everyone is savvy enough to protect their kids in the virtual space and online maneuvering is VASTLY different than kids seeing a strip club and not making it past the bouncer.

[Mark Kaine]

keyword "strict".

 

 

this is laughable at best.

[leadeater]

I would argue Porn sites are less wild west than social media platforms are....

[Stahlmann]

Content piracy is insanely big in the porn industry. Better security and moderation transparency doesn't sound like a bad thing either.

 

This doesn't say anything about mandatory age verification so i don't know where you came up with that.

[Mark Kaine]

5 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Huh?  Anyone anywhere can access Pornhub or similar at any age.  My kid at 12 was looking at bondage porn at his friends house.  

yeah, op seems to mix up several things here. 

 

also *if* *IF* (protip: it wont) this is going to require user id verification in the eu, just use vpn lol...

[StDragon]

48 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Content piracy is insanely big in the porn industry.

I wouldn't know, I'm not into that content (guess I've gotten older). But the question I have is what will occur with that industry once AI generates seemly unlimited content that captures anyone's innermost fantasies? Maybe it already exists like a midjourney of pr0n? 

[WildDagwood]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

I would argue Porn sites are less wild west than social media platforms are....

Arguments over appropriate tags vs. ideological, condemn all who oppose my beliefs arguments? Checks out.

 

Though porn sites are extremely toxic for different reasons and are weaponized in different ways, I'd argue.

[Monkey Dust]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

I would argue Porn sites are less wild west than social media platforms are....

I guess they don't have the same torrent of unverified users uploading all kinds of stuff. They are maybe easier to moderate?

[Dedayog]

6 minutes ago, Monkey Dust said:

I guess they don't have the same torrent of unverified users uploading all kinds of stuff. They are maybe easier to moderate?

Yeah, they tend to be one subject (porn) rather than a rash of random shit (cat videos, political shit, fake GTA5 videos, etc).

 

Who moderates porn anyway?

 

 

[WildDagwood]

1 minute ago, Dedayog said:

Yeah, they tend to be one subject (porn) rather than a rash of random shit (cat videos, political shit, fake GTA5 videos, etc).

 

Who moderates porn anyway?

 

 

Reddit mods, when they need to get off but can't let go of their perceived power.

 

Double-dipping on that dopamine kick.

 

/s

[starsmine]

34 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Yeah, they tend to be one subject (porn) rather than a rash of random shit (cat videos, political shit, fake GTA5 videos, etc).

 

Who moderates porn anyway?

 

 

Pornhub has a large team of moderators. Its harder to say for other sites that accept user uploads. I know some have gotten in trouble in the past so have teams that they did not used to. 

 

  

1 hour ago, StDragon said:

I wouldn't know, I'm not into that content (guess I've gotten older). But the question I have is what will occur with that industry once AI generates seemly unlimited content that captures anyone's innermost fantasies? Maybe it already exists like a midjourney of pr0n? 

Many sites already ban the content. but without detection it can slip in I suppose. 

[Vode]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Yeah, they tend to be one subject (porn) rather than a rash of random shit (cat videos, political shit, fake GTA5 videos, etc).

 

Who moderates porn anyway?

 

 

Pornhub deleted like half of all videos on their site couple years back. All unverified content (aka reuploads from other often paid sites) got culled. 

[Brooksie359]

3 hours ago, Dedayog said:

"My thoughts

I mean with what i think is don't they already have a reporting system (pretty sure there is) but I honestly don't think they should be treated like sites like Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Also, the whole thing with the safety of minors is a concern but they aren't even allowed on the site in the first place.. if this turns into submitting my ID or some verification system which be kind of lame but i get it the gov wants removed illegal content which is good but isn't there a way anyway far as i know you can't even upload the hub unless you submit a photo verification with ya username... either way "

 

Huh?  Anyone anywhere can access Pornhub or similar at any age.  My kid at 12 was looking at bondage porn at his friends house.  

 

Clicking a box that says I am over 18 isn't security.   Not everyone is savvy enough to protect their kids in the virtual space and online maneuvering is VASTLY different than kids seeing a strip club and not making it past the bouncer.

I think the point would be that how can you protect the information of minors if they would be precluded from the site if it was known they are a minor? Also what information would a minor give a porn website that needs to be protected? I mean who gives any porn site their information? 

[wanderingfool2]

6 hours ago, leadeater said:

I would argue Porn sites are less wild west than social media platforms are....

It depends on what you mean by that really.  Some things like PH essentially lived on copyright infringement and intentionally turning a blind eye to it's users...until laws came in place, and at that stage they were big enough that they could essentially just do entire purges without having to worry about losing too many people.

 

Back when there was the question of people posting minors and revenge tapes, and new laws were starting to come into place PH simply wiped out all videos (without review) of non verified accounts.  

 

Utah, Mississippi, Virginia and Arkansas are all states that can't access PH because instead of the age verification they decided it's just simpler to leave the state (knowing that people who want to look at that stuff could easily just use a VPN).

 

So I think to an extent it is that way because they don't care about things like comments, I wouldn't be surprised if they already just block out a bunch of stuff because they are worried about getting in trouble about other types of content these days.  Back before PH tried getting legitimate though it was pretty wild and not really too much moderation.

[Lunar River]

...who is a "trusted flagger" on a porn site?

[dizmo]

I get it. Makes perfect sense. Por sites have comment sections, you can DM users, etc. It's the same thing as a social media network. It's the porn sites own doing, they'd be fine if they didn't have all the chatting aspects. 

6 hours ago, StDragon said:

I wouldn't know, I'm not into that content (guess I've gotten older). But the question I have is what will occur with that industry once AI generates seemly unlimited content that captures anyone's innermost fantasies? Maybe it already exists like a midjourney of pr0n? 

I'm currently playing with the idea of making a couple of AI generated OnlyFans models. Apparently with a little work you can make quite the pretty penny. 

[Kisai]

9 hours ago, StDragon said:

I wouldn't know, I'm not into that content (guess I've gotten older). But the question I have is what will occur with that industry once AI generates seemly unlimited content that captures anyone's innermost fantasies? Maybe it already exists like a midjourney of pr0n? 

Hasn't been a problem so far, lots of porn is created that is just an iterative version of the same thing. Same thing, different actors. Same thing different location. Same thing different costume.

 

Honestly a midjourney of porn would just add more garbage nobody was paying for before. Why would you go through the effort of paying for something that fits their interests already unless it was forbidden or illegal? People are gonna use generative AI to create CSAM, Snuff, animal-cruelty and various kinds of torture-porn that would be illegal to host already. Not even piracy sites will let that stuff to stick around.

 

[CarlBar]

35 minutes ago, Kisai said:

People are gonna use generative AI to create CSAM, Snuff, animal-cruelty and various kinds of torture-porn that would be illegal to host already. Not even piracy sites will let that stuff to stick around.

 

If your into draw pornagrapic art you'd know there's been a major rise in AI generated content spam in that area. Regular porn may not have caught up yet, but thats probably because the combination of a sufficiently acurratte algorithm and sufficiently cheap processing power aren't there yet.

 

Thats why you saw the big blowback on AI from the US actors and writers guild recently. Big studios are one of the few groups who can make the current state of the art work because they've got the money for custom tweaked algorithms and heavy processing power. They're obviously not intrested in using it for pornagraphic purposes. But that doesn't mean it won't be used for that eventually.

[Kisai]

6 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

 

If your into draw pornagrapic art you'd know there's been a major rise in AI generated content spam in that area. Regular porn may not have caught up yet, but thats probably because the combination of a sufficiently acurratte algorithm and sufficiently cheap processing power aren't there yet.

 

*cough* You have no idea which sites I operate. Trust me, I know. The trend is that any non-piracy site is going to not going to accept AI generated works, but they will accept AI-assisted features in art software because artists already "cheat a little" by dropping 3d models and photos into their art and running it through a filter, or tracing the silhouette of it.

 

Only piracy sites are allowing (because they don't really monitor anything) illegal and borderline illegal AI art. Legitimate comics, adult or not, know better, and aren't permitting AI works.

 

6 minutes ago, CarlBar said:

Thats why you saw the big blowback on AI from the US actors and writers guild recently. Big studios are one of the few groups who can make the current state of the art work because they've got the money for custom tweaked algorithms and heavy processing power. They're obviously not intrested in using it for pornagraphic purposes. But that doesn't mean it won't be used for that eventually.

No commercial entity is going to invest in generative AI.

 

Period.

 

It's risky, they can't own the resulted generated work, and anything trained off a real person is a liability. It's dead. The only people doing generative AI are the same people who thought NFT's and Cryptocoins were a good idea. 

 

Generative AI might get better, but it will never become acceptable to use in place of human talent. Indie creators may get away with generative AI where they don't need the claim of ownership. Eg, generating some flavor text, or textures somewhere.

[leadeater]

6 hours ago, wanderingfool2 said:

It depends on what you mean by that really.  Some things like PH essentially lived on copyright infringement and intentionally turning a blind eye to it's users...until laws came in place, and at that stage they were big enough that they could essentially just do entire purges without having to worry about losing too many people.

All that is happening on Twitter today and long ago as well as people being the worst possible to each other on the regular which is many times worse than copyright infringement. Actual abuse is worse than monetary loss, often corporate monetary loss.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Kisai said:

Only piracy sites are allowing (because they don't really monitor anything) illegal and borderline illegal AI art. Legitimate comics, adult or not, know better, and aren't permitting AI works.

How do you know if anything is AI generated? Short of psychic powers it's actually not possible to know with 100% accuracy and precision. 

 

https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/ai-generated-image-world-photography-organization-contest-artist-declines-award-1234664549/

 

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In a statement, the organization said, “As he has now decided to decline his award we have suspended our activities with him and in keeping with his wishes have removed him from the competition. Given his actions and subsequent statement noting his deliberate attempts at misleading us, and therefore invalidating the warranties he provided, we no longer feel we are able to engage in a meaningful and constructive dialogue with him.”

aka You are embarrassed and annoyed because you were made to look foolish.

[StDragon]

39 minutes ago, leadeater said:

How do you know if anything is AI generated? Short of psychic powers it's actually not possible to know with 100% accuracy and precision.

That's where signing will come into it. So while not every unsigned image would be from AI, every signed image will have...a reputation behind it, at the very least. The signee could be a human, or a human that used AI as a tool. But it would eliminate some rando AI bot spamming the internet will millions of images that haven't been vetted in the community.

 

 

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, StDragon said:

That's where signing will come into it. So while not every unsigned image would be from AI, every signed image will have...a reputation behind it, at the very least. The signee could be a human, or a human that used AI as a tool. But it would eliminate some rando AI bot spamming the internet will millions of images that haven't been vetted in the community.

That's fine but it wouldn't have stopped the linked article situation. Are you going to accept the unintended consequence of barring unknown and new artists from entering artistic competitions because they have no reputation and you don't know if the submitted art is AI generated or human.

 

At some point it's always going to fall back to "for reals, I promise I drew this" and how do you argue or prove otherwise.

 

Anyone can purchase a Digicert certificate for a domain and website which verifies it's identity, what it will not do is verify if the website being presented is unique and their own or just a direct rip of someone else's website. Digital certificates in this way do not provide any proof of origin or creation, only identity.

[StDragon]

1 hour ago, leadeater said:

That's fine but it wouldn't have stopped the linked article situation. Are you going to accept the unintended consequence of barring unknown and new artists from entering artistic competitions because they have no reputation and you don't know if the submitted art is AI generated or human.

 

At some point it's always going to fall back to "for reals, I promise I drew this" and how do you argue or prove otherwise.

 

Anyone can purchase a Digicert certificate for a domain and website which verifies it's identity, what it will not do is verify if the website being presented is unique and their own or just a direct rip of someone else's website. Digital certificates in this way do not provide any proof of origin or creation, only identity.

 

Sadly, AI (and information apocalypse it will usher) will force society into white listing association along degrees of separation. A social chain of trust. A certificate is just a technical means of validating that trust and thus the identity.

I can't tell you exactly how it will go, or what standards, or which social media will start this (Maybe X/Twitter, who knows). But what I can say with assurance is that the social paradigm of how and whom we associate with will absolutely change on the Internet. It will be a culture change once AI floods the internet with generated content 24/7.