5700X3D and 5500X3D prove that AM4 isn't dead

[filpo]

Summary

5700X3D and 5500X3D are rumoured to be released most likely sometime next year but with reduced core clocks from their more expensive counterparts but no decrease in cache. Most likely with lower prices. However no word if they're going to be a store exclusive or not

 

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As per information from chi11eddog, a reliable source for hardware leaks regarding CPU and motherboard launches, AMD is reportedly in the process of developing at least two additional CPUs in the Ryzen 5000X3D series. One of these is a more affordable 8-core model known as the Ryzen 7 5700X3D, anticipated to boast a base clock of 3.0 GHz and a boost clock of 4.1 GHz. This particular CPU is expected to have clock speeds that are 400 MHz lower than the 5800X3D SKU.
Additionally, there is information about a potential new 6-core variant called Ryzen 5 5500X3D, supposedly featuring base and boost clocks of 3.0 GHz and 4.0 GHz, respectively. These clock speeds are said to be 300/400 MHz lower than the 5600X3D. Both of these CPUs are rumoured to incorporate a 96MB 3D V-Cache.

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The current report does not offer details on the potential availability of the newly discussed CPUs. Right now, AMD has two new CPUs with 3D V-Cache on the AM4 platform. One is called the 5800X3D and is considered the best gaming CPU for the AM4 platform. The other is called the 5600X3D and can only be bought from MicroCenter in the United States. The prospect of AMD broadening the availability of 3D V-Cache options globally, rather than confining them to specific retailers, would indeed be noteworthy.

The introduction of the 5700X3D and 5500X3D models for the AM4 platform could make it better for gamers who don't want to spend too much money. The release of more cost-effective SKUs could offer gamers an attractive upgrade path without imposing a substantial financial burden, paving the way for a transition to newer AM5/LGA-1851 sockets in the future.

My thoughts

'The Croods: STILL ALIVE!' This is what I thought about when I saw this article, quite interesting to see this but if it won't be a large decrease in price then it could be a flop, but I'd like to see how this plays out

 

Sources

AMD readies 8-Core Ryzen 7 5700X3D and 6-core Ryzen 5 5500X3D with 96MB L3 Cache - VideoCardz.com

Edited February 1 by filpo

[TrigrH]

My 5800x3d system has been the most stable, quiet and performant system I've ever built. (in April 2022) Usually I'm cracking the case open every few months to fiddle with "something", not this time.

[FloRolf]

That 5500X3D could be a ballin chip for lower budget gaming rigs. I am quite happy with the 5600X in my secondary rig though.  

[Quackers101]

nah still feels dead (nvm thought of something else), compared to those before it.

cool if its more gen 2 of x3D, if stuff has changed since the 7000x3D's

[AbydosOne]

Jeeze AMD, at this point, just validate a Zen4 CCD/CCX with the AM4 IO die and never let AM4 go. (As far as I understand it, there's not really anything that prevent AMD from doing that, even with more exotic chiplets like, say, ARM; Wendell has a whole video discussing it.)

 

To be clear, if these do come out (probably in 2024), it will probably result in a round of BIOS/AGESA updates all the way back to B350/X370 which are seven year old platforms. See that Intel? That's how you support a platform and build market share.

[Mark Kaine]

i got a feeling AM4 still be going strong when AM5 is already dead (did it ever live?)

[TetraSky]

I was hoping for a higher end chip.
But these are probably the 5800X3D that didn't pass QC as 5800X3D and got binned in lower tiers. Instead of throwing them away, they may as well accumulate enough of them and sell them as lower tier ones I guess.

[StDragon]

What's the point now? Zen 3 (and 4) architecture are effected by the INCEPTION vulnerability which can have a substantial impact on performance depending on the workload type and context switching required. Fortunately games aren't effected all that much, but still sucks that yet another type of speculative execution strikes again.

The flaw will still exist in any Zen 3 based system. All mitigations will be in microcode via BIOS (AGESA 1.2.0.B or newer) and the August 2023 security updates from Microsoft.
 

[Mihle]

I am currently running R5 3600. Next time I do a GPU upgrade I also want to upgrade the CPU to 5xxx series. Would it be pointless to upgrade to 5600X3D? Should I go for 5700X3D/5800X3D or just stay on my 3600 until platform change?. It won't be now, but maybe in a year or two, maybe there will be a sale then.

[porina]

I was really excited when I saw this news elsewhere yesterday, until I realised it was Zen 3 not Zen 4. What??? I have to speculate how this scenario came about. Presumably AMD bin the bare dies for good ones, then those get stacked. They get binned again and not all will make the cut. The previously limited released 5600X3D I thought would be the end of that. I'm guessing they got enough numbers of even lower bins they might as well sell off. I certainly wouldn't expect these to be long lived supply.

 

Performance wise, they're not even that exciting any more. 5800X3D has long been power crept. It was met on average game performance by the 7600 and 12700k with newer CPUs clearly beating it. We're looking at new CPUs even slower than 5800X3D. The potential market for them will be somewhat limited to people who are still on AM4 with a low end CPU stretching out its life a little more, or possibly some new budget builders maybe?

[filpo]

45 minutes ago, porina said:

or possibly some new budget builders maybe?

if they price the 5500X3D around the same as the 5600x's price right now ($150) then it could be a viable option but I personally don't see any use for the 5700X3D as it'll be more expensive than the 5700x and 5600X3D with worse productivity than the 5700x because of no overclocking support and those lower clocks

 

1 hour ago, Mihle said:

Would it be pointless to upgrade to 5600X3D?

it has to be at a good price. Right now at 200 bucks, if you value productivity more the 5700x will be more valuable to you

 

1 hour ago, Mihle said:

Should I go for 5700X3D/5800X3D or just stay on my 3600 until platform change

there's not much point in the 5700X3D even existing since the 5700X3D will most likely be priced the same as a 5800x right now and if so I would probably just go for the 5800x or 5700x if you value productivity more or just go straight to the 5800X3D since I think those clocks will matter. Anyway, these new cpus most likely won't be priced much below their higher clocked counterparts. However if they are, it could be interesting. But it does all come down to the benchmarks

[suicidalfranco]

May be the time I built a new system since I can't find a i7-6700 For a reasonable price

[Stahlmann]

AMD really isn't trying very hard to pull me over to their new platform. The potential upgrade to a 5700X3D / 5800X3D is more than enough to keep my rig going for the next 5+ years.

[porina]

1 hour ago, filpo said:

if they price the 5500X3D around the same as the 5600x's price right now ($150) then it could be a viable option but I personally don't see any use for the 5700X3D as it'll be more expensive than the 5700x and 5600X3D with worse productivity than the 5700x because of no overclocking support and those lower clocks

Personally the 5700X3D would be the most interesting part. You still get the 8 core experience and I'd take the cache over clock of the X. 6 cores I feel isn't a good choice for forward looking gaming unless you're really hurting on budget. Of course, it will come down to the price relative to other options if/when they do become available.

[Doobeedoo]

Interesting move, but cool though. I would expect for AM5 to keep it 8c  maybe. I mean would be great to standardize 8c more as a baseline for desktop. Like how console and is and APUs in general. But really also the sweetspot.

 

11 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

i got a feeling AM4 still be going strong when AM5 is already dead (did it ever live?)

What?! It's far from early launch days. While mobos are still on more pricey sides, can get a solid ones, RAM is well priced and CPUs too. For a long time now there was no reason to not go with AM5 unless you are going very budget.

[Mark Kaine]

24 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

What?! It's far from early launch days. While mobos are still on more pricey sides, can get a solid ones, RAM is well priced and CPUs too. For a long time now there was no reason to not go with AM5 unless you are going very budget.

i mean that's just like your opinion (which is fine ofc) to me AM5 is simply underwhelming and not worth the jump, gonna def sit this out until AM6, and the fact that i can do this shows how weak/boring/underwhelming AM5 is. 

[Doobeedoo]

2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

i mean that's just like your opinion (which is fine ofc) to me AM5 is simply underwhelming and not worth the jump, gonna def sit this out until AM6, and the fact that i can do this shows how weak/boring/underwhelming AM5 is. 

It all depends what you have now and what you need/require too. I've moved from AM4 to AM5 and it's been a huge improvement for me. If you're looking just gen on gen like in anything it's not huge improvements. And if you're saying you'll wait until AM6 it means what you have is more then fine for your needs. But that doesn't mean AM5 is underwhelming though, it just means you yourself don't need upgrading that's it.

[RejZoR]

Buying anything but 5800X3D on AM4 is stupid if you ask me. Sure, not everyone needs a halo product, but 5800X3D is a cheap last year's tech that goes against giants like 13900K in a lot of games. And if you already have AM4 platform with some old Ryzen, just bolt this thing in and it'll be like a brand new modern system for gaming.

[Mark Kaine]

32 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

If you're looking just gen on gen like in anything it's not huge improvements

i mean, yes, typically gen 2 gen isnt big improvements, i think with AM4 going on for so long and seeing actually pretty good improvements itself, it just doesn't feel worth upgrading for me now... even gpus are pretty meh, better wait for 5080ti or something

 

but yes, if someone makes a new build now, maybe its worth looking at AM4 for pricing but otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense, one should surely look to get up to date stuff for a new build as it just tends to last longer. 

 

[Doobeedoo]

3 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

i mean, yes, typically gen 2 gen isnt big improvements, i think with AM4 going on for so long and seeing actually pretty good improvements itself, it just doesn't feel worth upgrading for me now... even gpus are pretty meh, better wait for 5080ti or something

 

but yes, if someone makes a new build now, maybe its worth looking at AM4 for pricing but otherwise it doesn't make a lot of sense, one should surely look to get up to date stuff for a new build as it just tends to last longer. 

 

Yeah. Year ago few of my friends needed a new PC and I mentioned them what's out and all and for their budget I built their PCs around AM4 as AM5 just launched back then and was expensive, DDR5 was more, but boards were very expensive and only higher boards on release and they were not looking at latest or high end build. Also, there were some sales on older gen of CPUs/GPUs too so.

 

In my case, I build my new PC just lately and obviously went AM5 especially as I wanted more higher end PC so no brainer since and also prices got better so good for that as I was no rush to upgrade right on release, so I saved some.

[Taf the Ghost]

Two really important things.

 

1) AMD has historically had better support in the Long Tail sales at the consumer level. There's entire chunks of the world that have more exposure to AMD than Intel because of this. Sadly, a lot of that is Bulldozer parts, but DDR2 stuff was still getting sold well into the Zen2 / DDR4 era.  Intel has great long term Server support, but generally kills off consumer relatively quickly in comparison.  (This isn't even talking about AMD's GPU division with their major share in integrated devices.  There's some weird chunks of the silicon market.)

 

2) Milan-X has apparently been a stupidly good seller for AMD. Enough that they have to keep making a lot of 3D V-Cache. While we would have assumed the consumer parts were mostly for the benchmark/top end stuff (like Intel does with the super-clocked parts), reality is AMD has a massive demand for the server part, which means they can "productize" for consumer since they have so many that don't meet those standards. 

 

This is actually pretty good for everyone. The 5800X3D is going to join the 2600K as one of those "takes forever to really need to upgrade" CPUs.  Considering it requires a GPU that's currently $800USD or more to truly make it different in performance from most of the DDR5 CPUs, it's going to be a long time before it's really worth upgrading (unless you like to upgrade every 2 years).  Adding a 5500X3D is going to be wild. I could see that living for a long time in a lot of Plex or home-built NAS servers.

[starsmine]

53 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

This is actually pretty good for everyone. The 5800X3D is going to join the 2600K as one of those "takes forever to really need to upgrade" CPUs.  Considering it requires a GPU that's currently $800USD or more to truly make it different in performance from most of the DDR5 CPUs, it's going to be a long time before it's really worth upgrading (unless you like to upgrade every 2 years).  Adding a 5500X3D is going to be wild. I could see that living for a long time in a lot of Plex or home-built NAS servers.

Do NAS servers or Plex servers like cache? I never considered that as a use case for these chips

Also how many am4 boards support ECC

 

 

[goodtofufriday]

12 hours ago, suicidalfranco said:

May be the time I built a new system since I can't find a i7-6700 For a reasonable price

you want one for nothing? literally have one sitting around.

[Dedayog]

14 hours ago, Mihle said:

I am currently running R5 3600. Next time I do a GPU upgrade I also want to upgrade the CPU to 5xxx series. Would it be pointless to upgrade to 5600X3D? Should I go for 5700X3D/5800X3D or just stay on my 3600 until platform change?. It won't be now, but maybe in a year or two, maybe there will be a sale then.

You should have bought one last week for $156.

 

For $229 it's a decent upgrade, but if you can catch it for sub $200 or even near $150... hell yes.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 hour ago, starsmine said:

Do NAS servers or Plex servers like cache? I never considered that as a use case for these chips

Also how many am4 boards support ECC

 

 

Not sure how many boards support ECC, but I do know it's a thing. Though I think Plex servers more like a lot of cores more than the Caches, but there's there's a number of home server stuff that likely will appreciate the cache give the utility it brings to a lot of different task types. Kind of curious what Milan-X is being used for so much, might tell us where the real long-tail benefit is.