LTT Official Folding Month VI

[GOTSpectrum]

5 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I'd like to say if I won the lottery I wouldn't be buying servers and GPUs with the money but I totally know I would haha

Same 

[dogwitch]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I'd like to say if I won the lottery I wouldn't be buying servers and GPUs with the money but I totally know I would haha

i make a charity cloud set up.

multi gpus/cpu/storage.

i also lean into solar for it to..

for sort term usage cases.

like temp  storage across borders etc stuff.

 

 

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, dogwitch said:

i make a charity cloud set up.

multi gpus/cpu/storage.

i also lean into solar for it to..

for sort term usage cases.

like temp  storage across borders etc stuff.

 

 

If I won the lottery I would set up a charity that takes used workstation and server hardware from HPC/Data centres/whatever and offer it for very low cost or free to people who do DC and families in need. (Old workstations for families in need, not rackmounts lmfao) 

[dogwitch]

3 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

If I won the lottery I would set up a charity that takes used workstation and server hardware from HPC/Data centres/whatever and offer it for very low cost or free to people who do DC and families in need. (Old workstations for families in need, not rackmounts lmfao) 

yes and education on how to work on real hardware/software.

for me.

i just want enough money to live a decent life.

extra would go into a charity fund and then invesments to keep the life and the charity going.

i never been greedy in the way i ever lived.

 

[GOTSpectrum]

2 minutes ago, dogwitch said:

yes and education on how to work on real hardware/software.

for me.

i just want enough money to live a decent life.

extra would go into a charity fund and then invesments to keep the life and the charity going.

i never been greedy in the way i ever lived.

 

I mean, with the amount of older server hardware that is basically thrown away you could kit out entire schools, maker spaces, libraries, tech clubs etc... It would just be about having enough people to manage such a massive amount of units 

[LAR_Systems]

24 minutes ago, Struck said:

Still a bad buy when you consider the ppd/W ? even taking the price of puchase, the effeciency should make up for it quite quickly i think. I have not done the math though.

4080 is currently best for power usage per PPD.

4070ti is the sweet spot for cost of card & power usage per PPD as @GOTSpectrum mentioned.

 

4090 is a beast for gaming / machine learning etc. but for folding you can buy two 4070tis for the same price as a 4090, get more PPD overall while completing 2x the work units.

 

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/overall_ranks_power_to_ppd

[GOTSpectrum]

Just now, LAR_Systems said:

4080 is currently best for power usage per PPD.

4070ti is the sweet spot for cost of card & power usage per PPD as @GOTSpectrum mentioned.

 

4090 is a beast for gaming / machine learning etc. but for folding you can buy two 4070tis for the same price as a 4090, get more PPD overall while completing 2x the work units.

 

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/overall_ranks_power_to_ppd

plus with two slot 4070tis, you can theoretically fit two in a standard desktop config without much hassle which is nice 

[LAR_Systems]

1 minute ago, GOTSpectrum said:

plus with two slot 4070tis, you can theoretically fit two in a standard desktop config without much hassle which is nice 

Yep, possibly on a power supply / cables you already own as well.

 

Way lower total cost of ownership.

 

Some of my gear is getting pretty old / inefficient but I'm rolling with it in part as the mods / upgrades I would have to make to go to the latest gen cards in terms of physical size to house, power supply, heat dissipation etc. are also cost factors.

When you go ALL in on a parts list... suddenly it gets expensive if it means not replacing everything you plug cards in to 4060tis from a size/power connector and wattage perspective almost start making sense.

That said... I'm more likely to just wait and start building a new custom GPU housing and stack PSU for my next build as I'm not likely to fit 4x of any card on a single PSU in an enclosed case much longer at a price and noise I'm willing to run in an area where I also work.

[dogwitch]

used 4070 ti

is 550 to 650 ...

wow

[soccermomisqueen]

I dont normally fold since I have a couple of servers that dont have GPUs and I use them for business

 

 

I decided to partially dedicate my school laptop (i7-10870H and RTX3070 Mobile / Max-Q, 8GB dedicated GPU memory) to folding for this month and apparently I have earned about 7.1 million points in 3 days and about 28 work units. Been working on tuning it so that I can go full bore and still be able to do what I need for school (been a little tricky since I keep stopping folding by accident).

 

I did not expect it to be so high, but I think I am power constrained on my GPU since it is continuously pulling about 80W (I disabled CPU slot since I could not stop it easily due to the long WU times).

 

 

GO FOLDING!

[LAR_Systems]

2 minutes ago, soccermomisqueen said:

I dont normally fold since I have a couple of servers that dont have GPUs and I use them for business

 

 

I decided to partially dedicate my school laptop (i7-10870H and RTX3070 Mobile / Max-Q, 8GB dedicated GPU memory) to folding for this month and apparently I have earned about 7.1 million points in 3 days and about 28 work units. Been working on tuning it so that I can go full bore and still be able to do what I need for school (been a little tricky since I keep stopping folding by accident).

 

I did not expect it to be so high, but I think I am power constrained on my GPU since it is continuously pulling about 80W (I disabled CPU slot since I could not stop it easily due to the long WU times).

 

 

GO FOLDING!

You seem to be right on track for a 3070 2-3 Mill PPD per day. Mobile https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/folding_profile/ga104m_geforce_rtx_3070_mobile_max-q_8gb16gb

You will see fluctuation in PPD rewards depending on what work units you get assigned randomly, so some days you will get more PPD than others. 

 

That also said on the mobile, power constraint is likely a secondary factor to thermal throttling on a Laptop so do what you can to keep it cool, fans / vents clear of obstructions etc. and you might find that helps squeeze a bit more PPD.   Related to this, turning off CPU folding is a good plan as doing both on a laptop almost always ends up with massive thermal throttling as many designs share the same heat pipe and fan for both CPU and GPU. 

[GOTSpectrum]

27 minutes ago, dogwitch said:

used 4070 ti

is 550 to 650 ...

wow

is that good or bad in your eyes? 

[LAR_Systems]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

is that good or bad in your eyes? 

Probably depends if it's freedom dollars or pesos

[HaRdLy007]

Well I'm down to my 6700XT. The rig with the 5700XT keeps shutting down.

[dogwitch]

4 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

is that good or bad in your eyes? 

us bucks.

when a used 2080 was less then 500 used . when the 3080 came out.

ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 is 614 used.

pricing still bad thru.

 

 

[soccermomisqueen]

15 minutes ago, LAR_Systems said:

You seem to be right on track for a 3070 2-3 Mill PPD per day. Mobile https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/folding_profile/ga104m_geforce_rtx_3070_mobile_max-q_8gb16gb

You will see fluctuation in PPD rewards depending on what work units you get assigned randomly, so some days you will get more PPD than others. 

 

That also said on the mobile, power constraint is likely a secondary factor to thermal throttling on a Laptop so do what you can to keep it cool, fans / vents clear of obstructions etc. and you might find that helps squeeze a bit more PPD.   Related to this, turning off CPU folding is a good plan as doing both on a laptop almost always ends up with massive thermal throttling as many designs share the same heat pipe and fan for both CPU and GPU. 

Unfortunately, my laptop does have a shared heat pipe

 

I am currently using my trusty RJ-45 crimping tool to prop the fans off of the desk to get more fresh air (I use my laptop with the lid closed attached to 2 4K monitors).

 

The temps look fine-ish. I am getting mid 90's with the occasional spike to 100C on the CPU hotspot (below is a screenshot of my linux toolbar temperature tool). The GPU is floating around at about 80C.

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, GOTSpectrum said:

4070ti is the sweet spot when tuned correctly afaik.

 

@Gorgon would know better than me though, he's the man who does all the testing. 

The 4090 seems more power efficient if you actually compare the same project:

 

Like you said though, it can vary more project to project.  But I'd say so far its been quite rare for it to get a WU that performs identical to the 4070 Ti, but I have had it happen a couple of times.  I wasn't monitoring power consumption at the time though so it may have still been more power efficient.

 

Though based on this I suspect the 4080 might actually be the sweet spot, if it wasn't so close to the price of a 4090 which made more sense to me to just go for the top end as its going to hold more value over time.

[Alex Atkin UK]

5 minutes ago, Schnoz said:

So many people here have bought RTX 40-series GPUs for folding. I wonder how much higher the proportion is compared to, well, non-folders. Cuz outside of compute performance, RTX 40-series GPUs don't really offer too much exciting gaming-related stuff over previous-gen GPUs.

Depends on what kind of gamer you are.  I've been playing The Talos Principle 2 and at 4K with everything maxed out it hammers the 4090.  I believe Alan Wake 2 also really benefits from the 40x0 series.

 

Given how many new games will be UE5, I think the 40x0 series is going to be much more important if you want the best graphics.  Its just the most vocal online tend to be people playing competitive shooters where frame rate is more important than how pretty it looks.

 

We have a generation or two of gamers that completely missed most of the 3D years of PC gaming, where buying a new card was primarily to make the game LOOK better, rather than perform better.

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, GOTSpectrum said:

plus with two slot 4070tis, you can theoretically fit two in a standard desktop config without much hassle which is nice 

I don't think that is true either, as the INNO3D two slot is only available at scalper prices now in the UK and largely unavailable at all outside Europe.  Plus plenty of cases lack venting in the PSU shroud which prevents fitting one in the second slot.

[AndrewHamOp]

This is what happens when it's 49F/9C outside and you leave a box fan in your window. I may not have a fancy AIO but I do have the power of outside air! I also have dogs to keep me warm at night so it all works out...hahaha. I can only imagine what will happen when we get some colder temperatures, as I fully intend on leaving my window open until it gets into the 30s / around negative C.

 

7800x3D with NH-U12A and -30 Curve Optimizer in BIOS.

 

Edit: For reference my CPU usually runs around 80-82C

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, LAR_Systems said:

4080 is currently best for power usage per PPD.

4070ti is the sweet spot for cost of card & power usage per PPD as @GOTSpectrum mentioned.

 

4090 is a beast for gaming / machine learning etc. but for folding you can buy two 4070tis for the same price as a 4090, get more PPD overall while completing 2x the work units.

 

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/overall_ranks_power_to_ppd

How are you calculating power consumption?  Because neither my 4070 Ti or 4090s actually get close to the TDP of the card, so if you're basing on that its wildly inaccurate.

 

The only time I've seen my 4090 get close to its power limit so far is in The Talos Principle 2.

Was actually amusing as I was playing The Crew 2 recently and the 4090 was sat at ~120W at 4K because that games engine is 60fps capped.

 

[Needfuldoer]

16 minutes ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

How are you calculating power consumption?  Because neither my 4070 Ti or 4090s actually get close to the TDP of the card, so if you're basing on that its wildly inaccurate.

 

What are you generating these charts with? I have a mighty need...

 

(My 3060s are consuming about 120 watts of board power apiece, according to GPU-Z.)

[RollinLower]

1 hour ago, dogwitch said:

us bucks.

when a used 2080 was less then 500 used . when the 3080 came out.

ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 is 614 used.

pricing still bad thru.

 

 

whoa, over here used 4070ti's still sel for 800+ euros.
you might aswell buy new at that point, most go for 850 new.

[Alex Atkin UK]

15 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

What are you generating these charts with? I have a mighty need...

 

(My 3060s are consuming about 120 watts of board power apiece, according to GPU-Z.)

Unfortuantely its a hacked together system using my own code with a tendency to break occasionally.

[Gorgon]

2 hours ago, GOTSpectrum said:

4070ti is the sweet spot when tuned correctly afaik.

 

@Gorgon would know better than me though, he's the man who does all the testing. 

I haven't had the opportunity to test a 4090 but from the number of CUDA Cores and the theoretical FP32 performance, assuming both that it scales linearly (it does) and you can keep it fed with big WUS, it will be the most efficient.

 

The issues are that your don't always get big enough WUs and without risers you can't get more than one in a normal ATX case and to support more than 1 GPU and then you also are getting past the 850-1000W "sweet spot" for power supplies and into the realm of much more expensive 1200-1600W units that have enough PCIe PEG Power Connectors.

 

The 4080 should be a better value than the 4070ti but it's price point is (still) too high so the 4070ti tends to be at the price and efficiency "sweet-spots" but the 4070 might be better for dual rigs as this is the first model with 2 slot cards available (excluding that Inno3D 4070ti model that is dear in North America and someone (cough @GOTSpectrum @Alex Atkin UK @RollinLower) seem to have bought all the European stock of.)