Apple fans, start typing your angry comments now…

[Emily Young]

Apple’s Mac Studio got an upgrade with M2 Ultra. But all is not what it seems over at Apple’s marketing department… Is it truly a worthy successor to M1 Ultra?

 

 

Buy an Apple Mac Studio M2 Ultra: https://geni.us/JNpDC
Buy an Apple Mac Studio M2 Max: https://geni.us/oPiZ9G
Buy an Apple Mac Studio M1 Ultra: https://geni.us/VkME
Buy an Apple Studio M1 Max: https://geni.us/SAhKD
Buy an Apple 16" MacBook Pro M2 Max: https://geni.us/BBWib
Buy an Intel Core i9-13900K CPU: https://geni.us/D5WEAcK
Buy a PNY GeForece RTX 4090 Graphics Card: https://geni.us/0sBi

 

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[GeorgeMKane]

I feel like anything other than the iPhone or Apple Watch in Apple's lineup of products... I just can't justify the price for. That M2 Ultra is $4000... Yet for that price, I can buy 2-3 gaming laptops and upgrade them right away (RAM and storage), and be way better off... For actually even less than that too.

[minervx]

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 I just can't justify the price for. That M2 Ultra is $4000... 

I don't think we're supposed to justify it.  It's meant for pro use.  Pro as in actual professional that makes creative content for a living. 

 

Not pro in the loose sense of just being a high-end consumer or hobbyist.

[Brooksie359]

9 minutes ago, GeorgeMKane said:

I feel like anything other than the iPhone or Apple Watch in Apple's lineup of products... I just can't justify the price for. That M2 Ultra is $4000... Yet for that price, I can buy 2-3 gaming laptops and upgrade them right away (RAM and storage), and be way better off... For actually even less than that too.

 

Comparing workstation level laptops to gaming laptops is dumb. You look at dells workstation laptops and they start at around 3k so it's not really a fair comparison to look at gaming laptops like that is what you could expect to pay for workstation windows laptops. Also Apple has their non pro lineup for this very reason for non professionals who aren't going to he using their laptop for professional work or can get away with non professional laptops for the type of work they do. 

[tkitch]

@Emily Young NEVER TOO SOON FOR THE SUB JOKES!!!

[AAVVIronAlex]

22 minutes ago, Emily Young said:

Apple’s Mac Studio got an upgrade with M2 Ultra. But all is not what it seems over at Apple’s marketing department… Is it truly a worthy successor to M1 Ultra?

 

 

Buy an Apple Mac Studio M2 Ultra: https://geni.us/JNpDC
Buy an Apple Mac Studio M2 Max: https://geni.us/oPiZ9G
Buy an Apple Mac Studio M1 Ultra: https://geni.us/VkME
Buy an Apple Studio M1 Max: https://geni.us/SAhKD
Buy an Apple 16" MacBook Pro M2 Max: https://geni.us/BBWib
Buy an Intel Core i9-13900K CPU: https://geni.us/D5WEAcK
Buy a PNY GeForece RTX 4090 Graphics Card: https://geni.us/0sBi

 

Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.

These I am kind of okay with, but I kind of wish they had kept x86 on the Mac Pros. 

[poochyena]

joking about innocent people dying is definitely yikes

[igormp]

40 minutes ago, Emily Young said:

Apple’s Mac Studio got an upgrade with M2 Ultra. But all is not what it seems over at Apple’s marketing department… Is it truly a worthy successor to M1 Ultra?

 

 

Buy an Apple Mac Studio M2 Ultra: https://geni.us/JNpDC
Buy an Apple Mac Studio M2 Max: https://geni.us/oPiZ9G
Buy an Apple Mac Studio M1 Ultra: https://geni.us/VkME
Buy an Apple Studio M1 Max: https://geni.us/SAhKD
Buy an Apple 16" MacBook Pro M2 Max: https://geni.us/BBWib
Buy an Intel Core i9-13900K CPU: https://geni.us/D5WEAcK
Buy a PNY GeForece RTX 4090 Graphics Card: https://geni.us/0sBi

 

Purchases made through some store links may provide some compensation to Linus Media Group.

The compile test is flawed, both tests should target the same arch (so one of them would be doing a cross-compile). Doing native for each is an entirely different workload.

 

As mentioned already, comparing pricing to regular consumer parts is not ideal. The moment you go for workstation parts the price actually looks cheap.

 

Other than that, yeah, apple's performance claims are ridiculous like they have always been, but that does apply to any other company, so idk what to take from this in the end other that companies are shit and do misleading marketing all the time.

[Stentorian]

19 minutes ago, poochyena said:

joking about innocent people dying is definitely yikes

I'm presuming you're a relatively new viewer of LTT content. Dark humour jokes like these have been made since I first started watching 5 years ago and it'll never change. The WAN show is even more unhinged and at some points, I question why LTT don't just make a South Park episode with how their humour is. 

 

Also it was 5 people who died, all of whom were billionaires that had put no thought into why they should pay $150,000 to get in a submersible craft that had not been fully tested nor approved and was controlled by a Logitech PC Controller. That incident was just a pure example of that money can't buy you common sense. 

[poochyena]

9 minutes ago, Stentorian said:

Dark humour jokes like these have been made since I first started watching 5 years ago

I genuinely can not remember another time they laughed at innocent people dying. If they have, that doesn't make it ok.

[swimtome]

10 minutes ago, Stentorian said:

I'm presuming you're a relatively new viewer of LTT content. Dark humour jokes like these have been made since I first started watching 5 years ago and it'll never change. The WAN show is even more unhinged and at some points, I question why LTT don't just make a South Park episode with how their humour is. 

 

Also it was 5 people who died, all of whom were billionaires that had put no thought into why they should pay $150,000 to get in a submersible craft that had not been fully tested nor approved and was controlled by a Logitech PC Controller. That incident was just a pure example of that money can't buy you common sense. 

First paragraph I agree (although IMHO it is actually too soon for innocent people dying), but the second paragraph is a little oversimplified.  I'm sure the 19 year old who may or may not have wanted to go, but definitely just wanted to support his dad agrees...

[djenson]

Knew there would the the sub defenders here already - joke was funny 

Seriously tho, one of the best "humour" LTT releases in a while. Loved everything. 

Keep being awesome 

 

[ToboRobot]

20 minutes ago, Stentorian said:

 

 

Also it was 5 people who died, all of whom were billionaires

Their wealth is irrelevant.  They are people. 

It's funny to see who people think deserve basic respect.

[hishnash]

35 minutes ago, igormp said:

As mentioned already, comparing pricing to regular consumer parts is not ideal. The moment you go for workstation parts the price actually looks cheap.

 

In particular selecting a consumer GPU with only 24GB of VRAM when LLT know very well that if they were to consider a workstation part that could be competitive on this area there is not much to chose from and what they can get would cost 10x the studio if not more. 
 

58 minutes ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

These I am kind of okay with, but I kind of wish they had kept x86 on the Mac Pros. 

Would be a horrible UX a few years down the road, there are already many software devs who are making new features that are applied silicon only (be that so we can use the mural engine or just so we can save time with GPU compute code bases).  Within 3 to 5 years almost all software will be apple silicon only outside of some very high end pro tools.  So yes your main app will still have x86 support but all the auxiliary stuff like dropbox, word etc will be apple silicon only and you will be stuck on out of date tools that these days tend to mean broken as they all depend on some web server activation etc. 

 

[Senzelian]

Power efficiency is great and all, but 4090 goes brrrrr. And we all know that's what really matters.

[Brooksie359]

1 hour ago, poochyena said:

joking about innocent people dying is definitely yikes

I would say the other people were innocent but ultimately very dumb in their decision making. The guy who made the thing basically was asking for something to happen with how blatant he was against safety. I am not sure how you get into something like that without doing a good amount of research on the vessel and if you did how in the world did you decide it was a good idea. Obviously it sucks what happened but it wasn't surprising to say the least given all of the information. Honestly I don't make jokes about things like this unless I know who I am with because some people are ok with this sort of dark humor but it really depends on the person. Personally I like dark humor because I would rather laugh than be sad tbh. 

[issmkc]

I think what a lot of people are missing is that M2 Ultra is a decent way to get 192GB VRAM on the cheap (compared to getting multiple nvidia cards for tens of thousands of $).

Open source locally-run language models are developing at an extremely rapid pace, and while its true that CUDA is generally better supported than Metal or ANE, the support for macs running large language models is getting there (recently added to llama-cpp), and being able to run a 65B/130B model locally is huge.

 

There's no way nvidia releases another consumer GPU with more VRAM > 24GB and there's even less chance they give people SLI bridges for it. Their enterprise offerings are out of reach of all but well-funded research orgs. Only so far a pair of used 3090s can take you now, and despite advancements in quantization, it's going to be only less and less.

 

Don't sleep on Apple's support for LLMs, they're clearly gearing up to go against nvidia and I'm here for it.

 

 

 

 

[tkitch]

1 hour ago, poochyena said:

joking about innocent people dying is definitely yikes

nope.  Def not this time.  

 

More Sub Jokes Plz.

[xXPCMotherDunker69Xx]

you gotta also consider, the 4090 consuming more power but doing it faster might even use less power than the M2 max.   

4090 0.01135 kW/h (@500W over 82 seconds) M2U 0.019925 kW/h (@250W over 287 seconds) For the Maxon Test.

 

[bhop_monster_jam]

this device would probably be at minimum $1000 cheaper just by pricing ONLY the ram at regular market price instead of their insane markup for what is (IIRC) just LPDDR

[poochyena]

1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

The guy who made the thing basically was asking for something to happen with how blatant he was against safety.

Did you know this before the sub imploded, or afterwards?

 

 

[KaitouX]

The efficiency numbers are good, but it would be nice to know how they compare against a 13900K/7950X and 4090 that are on a better place on their efficiency curve. For example the 13900K achieves roughly 85% of the stock performance when limited to 142W, while the 7950X is ~95% of stock while limited to 142W.

Considering that the 3090 also could be incredibly efficient when undervolted or power limited, I will guess the same would be true for the 4090, but I don't really know if someone tested it.

I'm aware most people don't power limit their systems, but it could be an interesting test to see regardless of that.

[manikyath]

2 hours ago, minervx said:

I don't think we're supposed to justify it.  It's meant for pro use.  Pro as in actual professional that makes creative content for a living. 

 

Not pro in the loose sense of just being a high-end consumer or hobbyist.

and yet, the price is so moronic that even HP's enterprise gear is cheaper for a comparable performance level, configured to your exact preference, delivered to your door.

[mdk777]

2 hours ago, poochyena said:

I genuinely can not remember another time they laughed at innocent people dying. If they have, that doesn't make it ok.

Darwin Award winners do not count as innocent. 

There were/are only about a dozen reasons not to put your life in such risk. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

These people were not innocent in any rational sense. They made choices, really, really bad choices. 

Public ridicule is one way that others might learn from their experience and avoid a similar fate. 

 

 

[Brooksie359]

29 minutes ago, poochyena said:

Did you know this before the sub imploded, or afterwards?

 

 

Basically very soon after the story came out about a missing sub. This was a relatively well documented and I do not know about you but if I was going on a submarine to the bottom of the ocean I would at the very least see if the sub was safety certified which it wasn't because in the words of the submarines creator "safety requirements are to strick and stiffle innovation". At the end of the day you have to look out for yourself and to not look into the safety of the things you are doing especially in situations where mistakes could easily be life threatening is reckless.