LTT Official Folding Month V (2022)

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

I think it was Buildzoid who said NVIDIA just don't design overcurrent protection on their cards, seems its really biting them in the ass this generation.  If you're going to design a new connector with tighter margins, you really need to be enforcing the current per pin, never mind limiting it further up the chain.   Just assuming its going to balance across all pins is not good enough if you have no safety margin.

 

I will probably still get a 4090 but leave it on 50% TDP until we know what is going on.  Unfortunately its still happening to too few people to get a picture for is certain VRM controller configurations are specifically impacted.

What's really interesting is it seems the cards with the worst transients aren't in the list of confirmed cases.  Is this just because people buying those cards are less informed so not checking their connectors?  Or are those cards with less phases somehow not triggering the issue?

They purposely went to longer, but less severe, transients this time 'round.  The fact that they're extending transients is probably what is giving enough time to warm up cables and connectors.

[Alex Atkin UK]

59 minutes ago, justpoet said:

They purposely went to longer, but less severe, transients this time 'round.  The fact that they're extending transients is probably what is giving enough time to warm up cables and connectors.

NVIDIA did on the FE, but some of the AIB 4090s are as bad or worse than 30x0 series.

 

59 minutes ago, justpoet said:

They purposely went to longer, but less severe, transients this time 'round.  The fact that they're extending transients is probably what is giving enough time to warm up cables and connectors.

Good point.

[Slave2school]

2 hours ago, podkall said:

Hwinfo is a wall of numbers, task manager has a readable graph of general stuff that I usually look for.

Except temps those I look with Hwmonitor.

If you like graphs and check out OCCT it gives HWINFO like information but better visualizations

[GOTSpectrum]

well have to say... I'm annoyed, amazon says all my stuffs was delivered, only my SSD has come... not my 32bg of ram... sigh 

[Slave2school]

Just now, GOTSpectrum said:

well have to say... I'm annoyed, amazon says all my stuffs was delivered, only my SSD has come... not my 32bg of ram... sigh 

That sucks. They do that for me from time to time and if I am lucky it arrives a bit later in the day. Hopefully that is the case for you as well. 

[GOTSpectrum]

12 minutes ago, Slave2school said:

That sucks. They do that for me from time to time and if I am lucky it arrives a bit later in the day. Hopefully that is the case for you as well. 

We shall see

[podkall]

2 hours ago, GOTSpectrum said:

you cannot 

That's annoying..

[Senzelian]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

That's annoying..

You can always pause it and continue later. Not sure how long it takes until a WU is assigned to someone else, but I believe it takes at least a few days. 

[podkall]

1 minute ago, Senzelian said:

You can always pause it and continue later. Not sure how long it takes until a WU is assigned to someone else, but I believe it takes at least a few days. 

You can't pause the: "My computer has 21 hours and 00 mins to complete this work unit"

[Senzelian]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

You can't pause the: "My computer has 21 hours and 00 mins to complete this work unit"

Oh that's what you mean. I thought you meant the estimated time it takes to complete a WU. Sorry 

[podkall]

Just now, Senzelian said:

Oh that's what you mean. I thought you meant the estimated time it takes to complete a WU. Sorry 

Nope, I was mentioning the ETA because it's very close to the time it needs to be done, in "real time" at least.

 

I don't want my pc running while I'm not home for example..

[BondiBlue]

24 minutes ago, podkall said:

You can't pause the: "My computer has 21 hours and 00 mins to complete this work unit"

Yeah, that's the WU expiration time. Generally you shouldn't have any issues finishing a WU before that time limit unless you don't allow the computer to fold for long enough. Even old hardware can easily complete a WU before it expires. 

[GOTSpectrum]

Homemade ramen today

[Senzelian]

1 minute ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Homemade ramen today

Not sure what this has to do with folding, but once again: Where the hell is the steak? I dont understand this meat-less nonsense! 

[GOTSpectrum]

3 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Not sure what this has to do with folding, but once again: Where the hell is the steak? I dont understand this meat-less nonsense! 

It's where fueling me to write my wonderful blogs...

 

No seriously though thought this was a SU

[BondiBlue]

Man, this heat is really getting on my nerves. It's November, it shouldn't be 28° C outside. Thankfully it looks like we'll finally be cooling down by next week. As of right now the high for Monday November 14th is predicted to be around 10° C, which is much more tolerable for Folding@home. The overnight lows are supposed to get down to freezing, which is even nicer. 

 

I have the RTX 3080 running by itself in my dining room at the moment (used as sort of an office space), and that card by itself makes the room noticeably warmer than other rooms on the same floor. I'm very glad that I have this card for folding month, but I'll be glad to go back to the Quadro P4000 once this month is over. That card is much quieter, much cooler, and doesn't take up most of the space in my case. The 3080 is so long it doesn't fit in the top PCIe X16 slot, and because of that and how thick the heatsink is a lot of the heat gets blown directly at the chipset heatsink. This is an X79 based machine (Xeon E5-2697 v2 12C/24T), so there's a chipset fan. ASRock chose to use the most annoying sounding chipset fan they possibly could when they designed this board. The sound is awful, and it's so loud that I can hear it over the noise of the three fans on the GPU. 

[chaozbandit]

38 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Homemade ramen today

-snip-

Roasted peppers, scran

Also metaphor for my room

[justpoet]

1 hour ago, GOTSpectrum said:

Homemade ramen today

I guess I'll pour out a Vodka in your honor.

[podkall]

1 hour ago, BondiBlue said:

Yeah, that's the WU expiration time. Generally you shouldn't have any issues finishing a WU before that time limit unless you don't allow the computer to fold for long enough. Even old hardware can easily complete a WU before it expires. 

Ofc but you also can: get WU on Sunday evening, early in morning u need to go because it's monday and by the time u arrive home it's already late,

 

because you got WU that takes 24hours and 2 day deadline.u

 

u get it, crunch 80% of it on saturday and sunday, and still it's late, and tomorow deadline won't make it possible to fold it in time when you return home.......

[BondiBlue]

1 minute ago, podkall said:

Ofc but you also can: get WU on Sunday evening, early in morning u need to go because it's monday and by the time u arrive home it's already late,

 

because you got WU that takes 24hours and 2 day deadline.u

 

u get it, crunch 80% of it on saturday and sunday, and still it's late, and tomorow deadline won't make it possible to fold it in time when you return home.......

Do you not let your computer fold while you're away at work? Maybe that's where I'm getting confused. Most of the WUs I get don't expire in 2 days (though I have seen those), but even so I let my computer keep folding when I'm at work. I get more points and I don't have to bother with keeping track of how long individual WUs will take. 

[Alex Atkin UK]

1 hour ago, BondiBlue said:

Man, this heat is really getting on my nerves. It's November, it shouldn't be 28° C outside. Thankfully it looks like we'll finally be cooling down by next week. As of right now the high for Monday November 14th is predicted to be around 10° C, which is much more tolerable for Folding@home. The overnight lows are supposed to get down to freezing, which is even nicer. 

 

I have the RTX 3080 running by itself in my dining room at the moment (used as sort of an office space), and that card by itself makes the room noticeably warmer than other rooms on the same floor. I'm very glad that I have this card for folding month, but I'll be glad to go back to the Quadro P4000 once this month is over. That card is much quieter, much cooler, and doesn't take up most of the space in my case. The 3080 is so long it doesn't fit in the top PCIe X16 slot, and because of that and how thick the heatsink is a lot of the heat gets blown directly at the chipset heatsink. This is an X79 based machine (Xeon E5-2697 v2 12C/24T), so there's a chipset fan. ASRock chose to use the most annoying sounding chipset fan they possibly could when they designed this board. The sound is awful, and it's so loud that I can hear it over the noise of the three fans on the GPU. 

My attempt at circulating the air from the 3080 out of my room is woefully ineffective.  Need some Noctuas.

[podkall]

6 minutes ago, BondiBlue said:

Do you not let your computer fold while you're away at work? Maybe that's where I'm getting confused. Most of the WUs I get don't expire in 2 days (though I have seen those), but even so I let my computer keep folding when I'm at work. I get more points and I don't have to bother with keeping track of how long individual WUs will take. 

Like, I'm fairly confident if I let my PC fold while overclocked it will probably survive,

while leaving it unsupervised for over 12  hours..

 

but the GPU for example is pretty old, and I just don't want it to run when I'm longer than 1-2 hours away from home..

1 minute ago, Alex Atkin UK said:

My attempt at circulating the air from the 3080 out of my room is woefully ineffective.  Need some Noctuas.

Does it really get that hot?

Edited November 6, 2022 by podkall
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[Alex Atkin UK]

4 minutes ago, podkall said:

Like, I'm fairly confident if I let my PC fold while overclocked it will probably survive,

while leaving it unsupervised for over 12  hours..

 

but the GPU for example is pretty old, and I just don't want it to run when I'm longer than 1-2 hours away from home..

Does it really get that hot?

23C which is comfortable when awake, but problematic when trying to sleep.  Also annoying when the rest of the house is cooler.

[justpoet]

2 minutes ago, podkall said:

Like, I'm fairly confident if I let my PC fold while overclocked it will probably survive,

while leaving it unsupervised for over 12  hours..

 

but the GPU for example is pretty old, and I just don't want it to run when I'm longer than 1-2 hours away from home..

Heat cycling hardware is far worse on it than letting it get to and maintain a steady state.  It will break down the TIM (thermal paste/pad/etc) so that it doesn't work as well.  Also, for the GPU, just turn the power limit down when you're not gaming and if it can't hit the OC clocks, it won't...it'll just be more efficient and very fine for long term running.  For the CPU, as long as you don't have a permanent overvoltage on it to hit your clocks, and thermals are in check, it also should be fine forever.

[Alex Atkin UK]

Yeah two days seems a common timeout for GPU jobs.