drone Killer drone ‘hunted down a human target’ without being told to

[Fasterthannothing]

Summary

 A drone was able to hunt down human targets without intervention or instructions by Humans.

 

Quotes

Quote

 The March 2020 attack was in Libya and perpetrated by a Kargu-2 quadcopter drone produced by Turkish military tech company STM “during a conflict between Libyan government forces and a breakaway military faction led by Khalifa Haftar, commander of the Libyan National Army,” the Star reports, adding: “The Kargu-2 is fitted with an explosive charge and the drone can be directed at a target in a kamikaze attack, detonating on impact.”

 

The drones were operating in a “highly effective” autonomous mode that required no human controller and the report notes:

 

“The lethal autonomous weapons systems were programmed to attack targets without requiring data connectivity between the operator and the munition: in effect, a true ‘fire, forget and find’ capability” – suggesting the drones attacked on their own. 

 

My thoughts

Holy crap this is some dangerous stuff. The only study on regulation of this type of AI driven attack was shut down in 2018 per the article which is some dangerous stuff. On the other hand looks like the future of attack drones that are self thinking is already here and as a software engineer it's somewhat cool (also very scary) seeing autonomous AI act without any input.

 

Sources

 https://nypost.com/2021/05/29/killer-drone-hunted-down-a-human-target-without-being-told-to/

[dizmo]

That's only what they've released. You can be assured the US military has significantly more advanced drones that can do the same thing, or worse.

[CerealExperimentsLain]

Is it really a 'Kamakazi Attack' if the weapon has a warhead and is designed for single use?  I think that's just a slow missile that loiters and weaves and bobs a lot.

[Radium_Angel]

Did the drone in question happen to look like this?

[ARikozuM]

How many 80's action films do we need to watch before people realize autonomous machines for warfare is a bad fucking idea?

[TetraSky]

Truly the future of murder machines.

[Radium_Angel]

11 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

How many 80's action films do we need to watch before people realize autonomous machines for warfare is a bad fucking idea?

All of them apparently, because it's not sticking in their heads.

[Taf the Ghost]

36 minutes ago, dizmo said:

That's only what they've released. You can be assured the US military has significantly more advanced drones that can do the same thing, or worse.

I really wish I could track it down again, but there's a semi-legendary MilTech presentation about using killer swarm drones. And I think it was from 2007 with some cheesy CGI. I remember the CGI, but there's so many hits on the topic now you won't find the video. The Militaries have been working for this for several decades already. Because it's also not something new. The first Drone Attacks? German V1 in WW2. Yup, drones have been in service that long. They've just gotten slightly better.

[MadAnt250]

The machines have turned against the human race!

I must destroy my toaster now. 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Radium_Angel said:

All of them apparently, because it's not sticking in their heads.

 

 

[Taf the Ghost]

35 minutes ago, CerealExperimentsLain said:

Is it really a 'Kamakazi Attack' if the weapon has a warhead and is designed for single use?  I think that's just a slow missile that loiters and weaves and bobs a lot.

Tomahawk Cruise Missiles can already do this. They're already to the point that they launch a wave of them, they circle a target until all in range then attack in a close timing approach. 

[Beerzerker]

12 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

The machines have turned against the human race!

I must destroy my toaster now. 

Yeah - Mine keeps asking me if I want toast or to be what's toasted as an option.......

Sometimes it's like this too.
Does Anyone Want Any Toast? | Red Dwarf | BBC - YouTube

[dizmo]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I really wish I could track it down again, but there's a semi-legendary MilTech presentation about using killer swarm drones. And I think it was from 2007 with some cheesy CGI. I remember the CGI, but there's so many hits on the topic now you won't find the video. The Militaries have been working for this for several decades already. Because it's also not something new. The first Drone Attacks? German V1 in WW2. Yup, drones have been in service that long. They've just gotten slightly better.

There was something a lot more recent talked about from DARPA saying they already have that, and the way they said it made it seem like they developed it, perfected it, and have already grown bored of it. I think DARPA is something like 25 years ahead of what we actually see implemented. So. They've got some crazy shit we can't even fathom.

[Beerzerker]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

There was something a lot more recent talked about from DARPA saying they already have that, and the way they said it made it seem like they developed it, perfected it, and have already grown bored of it. I think DARPA is something like 25 years ahead of what we actually see implemented. So. They've got some crazy shit we can't even fathom.

I can believe it, for example there are bullets that will literally round a corner and track/get you, those have been around for a few years.
It sounds like a fantasy but it's for real.
DARPA bullet can change direction mid-flight - CBS News

[Delicieuxz]

[Master Disaster]

Title: Killer drone ‘hunted down a human target’ without being told to

Article: The lethal autonomous weapons systems were programmed to attack targets without requiring data connectivity between the operator and the munition

 

 

If you tell a computer to repeat a task until it succeeds and then leave it running the computer was still told to do the task, it didn't just decide to start killing humans, it was told to start killing humans by its programmer.

[Master Disaster]

3 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I really wish I could track it down again, but there's a semi-legendary MilTech presentation about using killer swarm drones. And I think it was from 2007 with some cheesy CGI. I remember the CGI, but there's so many hits on the topic now you won't find the video. The Militaries have been working for this for several decades already. Because it's also not something new. The first Drone Attacks? German V1 in WW2. Yup, drones have been in service that long. They've just gotten slightly better.

The Austrians used unmanned balloons to drop incendiary bombs onto Venice in 1849. If we're counting rockets then the Chinese were using them in battle in the 1300s (though more as a scare tactic than an effective weapon).

 

Also the RAF had an entire branch for UAVs dating back to the late 1800s, during WW1 they had a fleet of 400 unmanned biplanes they used for dog fight and target practice.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_unmanned_aerial_vehicles_of_World_War_I

[Mling]

4 hours ago, dizmo said:

That's only what they've released. You can be assured the US military has significantly more advanced drones that can do the same thing, or worse.

Its a possibility that is what all these released UFO videos are.

[Master Disaster]

19 minutes ago, Mling said:

Its a possibility that is what all these released UFO videos are.

You talking about the recent "US Navy UFO" videos?

 

So far every one of these videos have been torn to pieces by actual camera techs who understand how cameras, and more importantly light works.

 

The biggest problem with all these videos is they were shot by fighter pilots, reviewed by military/govt officials, leaked to news reporters before finally being shown to civilians. At no point did anybody who actually understands the quirks of viewing images in a spectrum of light we normally cannot see take a look at these videos until after they were released (I'm sure the military knows exactly what they are, its just more convenient to pretend they're UFOs)

 

Its a bit like shoving a page of Assembly code into the hands of you're average factory worker and telling them its a new alien language, without any context or prior training they would have no reason to doubt it. As soon as an IT professional takes a look its obvious but by this point Mr Factory Worker has already been on several News shows showing off his new Alien language to even more people who have no context or reason to understand what they're seeing.

[Hassan170]

34 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You talking about the recent "US Navy UFO" videos?

 

So far every one of these videos have been torn to pieces by actual camera techs who understand how cameras, and more importantly light works.

 

The biggest problem with all these videos is they were shot by fighter pilots, reviewed by military/govt officials, leaked to news reporters before finally being shown to civilians. At no point did anybody who actually understands the quirks of viewing images in a spectrum of light we normally cannot see take a look at these videos until after they were released (I'm sure the military knows exactly what they are, its just more convenient to pretend they're UFOs)

 

Its a bit like shoving a page of Assembly code into the hands of you're average factory worker and telling them its a new alien language, without any context or prior training they would have no reason to doubt it. As soon as an IT professional takes a look its obvious but by this point Mr Factory Worker has already been on several News shows showing off his new Alien language to even more people who have no context or reason to understand what they're seeing.

Could you link those Camera experts take on the UFO thing. Genuinely interested to sse what it is. 

[Master Disaster]

24 minutes ago, Hassan170 said:

Could you link those Camera experts take on the UFO thing. Genuinely interested to sse what it is. 

Thunderf00t on Youtube is the main source though I have seen other creators covering the topic too however YouTube being YouTube, as soon as you search for Navy UFO videos you get flooded by thousands of news reports on how spectacular these videos are.

 

Spoilers, out of the 3 most recent, one is a duck/goose, one is an aircraft (you can literally see the FAA required lights flashing on the left hand wing) and one is a moire pattern from an improperly configured camera.

 

[suicidalfranco]

IT'S HAPPENING!!!

[Kisai]

7 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

How many 80's action films do we need to watch before people realize autonomous machines for warfare is a bad fucking idea?

There was a black mirror episode that used something resembling robo-dog's as terminators. That episode is called Metalhead.

 

And the underlying reason the robo dog can track you in that episode is because it "tags" you with trackers.

 

Anyway, we are going to hit a point where AI robots with weapons end up being as catastrophic as abandoned minefields. Imagine having a warehouse full of killer robots that the owner becomes bankrupt, and the robots don't recognize being "owned" by someone new and kill everyone who tries to enter the warehouse, or attempts to disconnect the warehouse utility power.

 

Also, still patiently waiting for a remake of "Short Circuit" seeing as how we've passed the point in the first movie for weaponized, learning robots.

 

While we're on the topic of killer robots. There is also another episode of Black Mirror that involves robot bees (Hated in the Nation) to replace actual bees (because we've done almost nothing to save bees from bee colony collapse disorder) , and the bees being hijacked to kill-by-tweet.

[Radium_Angel]

7 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I really wish I could track it down again, but there's a semi-legendary MilTech presentation about using killer swarm drones. And I think it was from 2007 with some cheesy CGI. I remember the CGI, but there's so many hits on the topic now you won't find the video. The Militaries have been working for this for several decades already. Because it's also not something new. The first Drone Attacks? German V1 in WW2. Yup, drones have been in service that long. They've just gotten slightly better.

This one?

 

 

[CarlBar]

The OP is seriously misleading. yes the drone found it's own targets and performed it's own attack. The latter is somthing every guided missile ever built has done, right back to the original pigeon guided one. There's nothing shocking, scary or unusual about that.

 

The ability to find it;s own target is more impressive, but we've been experimenting with it on missiles for a while and even started fielding a few, (Brimestone for example which was first used during the Arab Spring by RAF tornado's and typhoons). And such weapons still have to be told it's time to do this by an external source, they won't just decide to launch themselves.

 

The only new or unusual thing is the platform it's mounted on, but there's nothing that makes a drone inherently incapable of this, it's just that generally it's less efficient than a custom missile body. But if all you have is a hammer...