Posted March 18, 2021 15 hours ago, Nathanpete said: It really is a shame that Nvidia is choosing short-term profits over preventing e-waste It’s not short term profits, it’s long term. Without good used GPUs, you’re forced to buy new ones from them instead of a used one! They’ll sell three GPUs instead of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Moonzy said: You might wanna revisit that The "accident" unlocking of the limiter was actually for gamers to mine, not large scale miners They're doing gamers a favor here, at least that's what I found out from my testings Wait, for real?? Why would a budget gamer using a budget GPU for mining and the chance is extremely high she/he will only have one GPU. I doubt it's profitable but I guess it depends on which country where electricity doesn't cost shit. DAC/AMPs: Klipsch Heritage Headphone Amplifier Headphones: Klipsch Heritage HP-3 Walnut, Meze 109 Pro, Beyerdynamic Amiron Home, Amiron Wireless Copper, Tygr 300R, DT880 600ohm Manufaktur, T90, Fidelio X2HR CPU: Intel 4770, GPU: Asus RTX3080 TUF Gaming OC, Mobo: MSI Z87-G45, RAM: DDR3 16GB G.Skill, PC Case: Fractal Design R4 Black non-iglass, Monitor: BenQ GW2280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, CTR640 said: Wait, for real?? Why would a budget gamer using a budget GPU for mining and the chance is extremely high she/he will only have one GPU. I doubt it's profitable but I guess it depends on which country where electricity doesn't cost shit. This assumes bad rates, no undervolt and average electricity costs. Spoiler I'm not actually trying to be as grumpy as it seems. I will find your mentions of Ikea or Gnome and I will /s post. Project Hot Box CPU 13900k, Motherboard Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX, RAM CORSAIR Vengeance 4x16gb 5200 MHZ, GPU Zotac RTX 4090 Trinity OC, Case Fractal Pop Air XL, Storage Sabrent Rocket Q4 2tb, CORSAIR Force Series MP510 1920GB NVMe, CORSAIR FORCE Series MP510 960GB NVMe, PSU CORSAIR HX1000i, Cooling Corsair XC8 CPU block, Bykski GPU block, 360mm and 280mm radiator, Displays Odyssey G9, LG 34UC98-W 34-Inch,Keyboard Mountain Everest Max, Mouse Mountain Makalu 67, Sound AT2035, Massdrop 6xx headphones, Go XLR Oppbevaring CPU i9-9900k, Motherboard, ASUS Rog Maximus Code XI, RAM, 48GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200 mhz (2x16)+(2x8) GPUs Asus ROG Strix 2070 8gb, PNY 1080, Nvidia 1080, Case Mining Frame, 2x Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB, PSU Corsair RM1000x and RM850x, Cooling Asus Rog Ryuo 240 with Noctua NF-12 fans Why is the 5800x so hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, CTR640 said: Wait, for real?? Why would a budget gamer using a budget GPU for mining and the chance is extremely high she/he will only have one GPU. I doubt it's profitable but I guess it depends on which country where electricity doesn't cost shit. Current testing shows that if you want to mine with a 3060 and 470.05 driver, the card should have at least x8 bandwidth and is connected to a monitor. The later is very simple, a HDMI deceiver will work. However, the first one is very difficult. Mining farms often use x1 to x16 riser. I don't think any mining farms would buy CPUs like Xeon or EPYC for mining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, CTR640 said: Wait, for real?? Why would a budget gamer using a budget GPU for mining and the chance is extremely high she/he will only have one GPU. I doubt it's profitable but I guess it depends on which country where electricity doesn't cost shit. The 3060 is one of the most efficient mining gpu, as efficient as 3080 and slightly behind 3060ti and 3070, some reports suggests it's the most efficient card So if it's unprofitable due to electricity cost, then nothing is for your region Feel free to calculate the profit with this calculator: https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/eth?HashingPower=50&HashingUnit=MH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=160&CostPerkWh=0.12&MiningPoolFee=1 3060 is around 50MH/s wattage varies from 110-120W for mining load (requires undervolt but you can always set two OC profiles, or just use the undervolted profile to play games like I do) I put in 170W to also factor in idle PC components, 50W is very accurate estimate from my testings with my wattmeter and software GPU wattage readings You can key in the electric fee, the national average should be around 0.12$/kwh And you should get your result of whether it'll be profitable Fyi, profitable =/= get rich quick, it's slow but steady, mining for few months = new cpu or gpu -sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 In other news - these will still sell Workstation Laptop: Dell Precision 7540, Xeon E-2276M, 32gb DDR4, Quadro T2000 GPU, 4k display Wifes Rig: ASRock B550m Riptide, Ryzen 5 5600X, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6700 XT, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz V-Color Skywalker RAM, ARESGAME AGS 850w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750, 500gb Crucial m.2, DIYPC MA01-G case My Rig: ASRock B450m Pro4, Ryzen 5 3600, ARESGAME River 5 CPU cooler, EVGA RTX 2060 KO, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz TeamGroup T-Force RAM, ARESGAME AGV750w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750 NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 3tb Hitachi 7200 RPM HDD, Fractal Design Focus G Mini custom painted. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 5 3600,ASRock B450M Pro4 (3dmark.com) Daughter 1 Rig: ASrock B450 Pro4, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 4.2ghz all core 1.4vCore, AMD R9 Fury X w/ Swiftech KOMODO waterblock, Custom Loop 2x240mm + 1x120mm radiators in push/pull 16gb (2x8) Patriot Viper CL14 2666mhz RAM, Corsair HX850 PSU, 250gb Samsun 960 EVO NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 500gb Samsung 840 EVO SSD, 512GB TeamGroup MP30 M.2 SATA III SSD, SuperTalent 512gb SATA III SSD, CoolerMaster HAF XM Case. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37004594? Daughter 2 Rig: ASUS B350-PRIME ATX, Ryzen 7 1700, Sapphire Nitro+ R9 Fury Tri-X, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz V-Color Skywalker, ANTEC Earthwatts 750w PSU, MasterLiquid Lite 120 AIO cooler in Push/Pull config as rear exhaust, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, Patriot Burst 240gb SSD, Cougar MX330-X Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Tristerin said: In other news - these will still sell ~25MH at $700? Idk Unless there's literally nothing else in the market, even at scalper pricing 3060 with hash rate limiter is kicking out 25MH still, and it's around $800 for my location And it has resale value, possibly more efficient than something based on turing too. Idk how much people are willing to pay for this -sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Moonzy said: ~25MH at $700? Idk Unless there's literally nothing else in the market, even at scalper pricing 3060 with hash rate limiter is kicking out 25MH still, and it's around $800 for my location And it has resale value, possibly more efficient than something based on turing too. Idk how much people are willing to pay for this Two thoughts - from me Those serious into crypto that arent a corporate farm - are doing this for the long haul. Cash is worthless (ever heard of that alt currency called USD thats backed by...nothing but...taxation?) in the long run for those in for the long haul. $700 isnt anything in the grand scheme of things, having workers is. Now, is it WORTH $700 - no. But neither was bitcoin not so long ago. Risk reward. Workstation Laptop: Dell Precision 7540, Xeon E-2276M, 32gb DDR4, Quadro T2000 GPU, 4k display Wifes Rig: ASRock B550m Riptide, Ryzen 5 5600X, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6700 XT, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz V-Color Skywalker RAM, ARESGAME AGS 850w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750, 500gb Crucial m.2, DIYPC MA01-G case My Rig: ASRock B450m Pro4, Ryzen 5 3600, ARESGAME River 5 CPU cooler, EVGA RTX 2060 KO, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz TeamGroup T-Force RAM, ARESGAME AGV750w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750 NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 3tb Hitachi 7200 RPM HDD, Fractal Design Focus G Mini custom painted. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 5 3600,ASRock B450M Pro4 (3dmark.com) Daughter 1 Rig: ASrock B450 Pro4, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 4.2ghz all core 1.4vCore, AMD R9 Fury X w/ Swiftech KOMODO waterblock, Custom Loop 2x240mm + 1x120mm radiators in push/pull 16gb (2x8) Patriot Viper CL14 2666mhz RAM, Corsair HX850 PSU, 250gb Samsun 960 EVO NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 500gb Samsung 840 EVO SSD, 512GB TeamGroup MP30 M.2 SATA III SSD, SuperTalent 512gb SATA III SSD, CoolerMaster HAF XM Case. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37004594? Daughter 2 Rig: ASUS B350-PRIME ATX, Ryzen 7 1700, Sapphire Nitro+ R9 Fury Tri-X, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz V-Color Skywalker, ANTEC Earthwatts 750w PSU, MasterLiquid Lite 120 AIO cooler in Push/Pull config as rear exhaust, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, Patriot Burst 240gb SSD, Cougar MX330-X Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 18, 2021 FUCK, Might as well move over to AMD's side at least they are "trying" to be the good guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 19, 2021 I assumed crypto specific cards would have to have significantly lower cost than a gaming card because a crypto card does not retain much of any value after it is no longer useful as a crypto card whereas a gaming card maintains at least some. That cost difference has to reflect in price or why buy one? Not a pro, not even very good. I’m just old and have time currently. Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake. Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Bombastinator said: I assumed crypto specific cards would have to have significantly lower cost than a gaming card because a crypto card does not retain much of any value after it is no longer useful as a crypto card whereas a gaming card maintains at least some. That cost difference has to reflect in price or why buy one? It would be fascinating to see what data nvidia has that allowed their analysts to justify these cards. Either the manufacturing costs are extremely low or the demand from miners really is that high. I just don't get the logic from miners saying that a product that isn't designed for their needs is somehow trampling on their free will, somebody explain. Nvidia is probably wishing they'd just kept the details of the hash limiter to themselves and just played dumb if miners complained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 19, 2021 Ah yes, the Hunter becomes the prey miners jacking up prices for things that other miners want, such s a v a g e s Don’t take everything I say seriously take it with a grain of s a l t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 My 1060 overclocked does 24 and I paid 125 quid for it 2 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 6:14 AM, mwagen said: It would be fascinating to see what data nvidia has that allowed their analysts to justify these cards. Either the manufacturing costs are extremely low or the demand from miners really is that high. It's easy to see demand is high. Stuff sells out faster than a hot knife cuts through butter. Miners, especially farms, will buy it regardless, so they are just exploiting a profitable market section. On 3/19/2021 at 6:14 AM, mwagen said: I just don't get the logic from miners saying that a product that isn't designed for their needs is somehow trampling on their free will, somebody explain. Nvidia is probably wishing they'd just kept the details of the hash limiter to themselves and just played dumb if miners complained. At the risk of reopening a can of worms, because this is the same as not allowing people to game on Xeons or Threadrippers, not allowing CAD or video rendering on non-workstation cards etc. Nvidia forbids the use of GeForce in datacentres already, for example, but as usual people won't complain until it affects them. Deep learning people were not pleased, but the rest didn't really care. Now supply is low and gamers get upset because they can't get a card. Miners get upset because Nvidia is blocking their activities. In the end Nvidia can do what they want and we're all just pointing fingers at who we think is the "evil" party. If they kept silent about it it would probably have backfired as well, because it would've been discovered immediately and Nvidia would have been called out on secretly discriminating against part of their userbase or even potentially gotten into legal trouble for it. Crystal: CPU: i7 7700K | Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix Z270F | RAM: GSkill 16 GB@3200MHz | GPU: Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti FE | Case: Corsair Crystal 570X (black) | PSU: EVGA Supernova G2 1000W | Monitor: Asus VG248QE 24" Laptop: Dell XPS 13 9370 | CPU: i5 10510U | RAM: 16 GB Server: CPU: i5 4690k | RAM: 16 GB | Case: Corsair Graphite 760T White | Storage: 19 TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 Civil rights arguments in general can be problematic. They can be extremely pertinent, but the argument has been used in the past when a group can’t use their real reason because it’s unworthy. I suspect that is the case here. Not a pro, not even very good. I’m just old and have time currently. Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake. Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 Can somebody gimme a rundown of what mining is? go follow @sub68, @King of Memes and @wkdpaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, CorruptedTech said: Can somebody gimme a rundown of what mining is? Should be numerous videos on it. LTT did one some time ago iirc. Not a pro, not even very good. I’m just old and have time currently. Assuming I know a lot about computers can be a mistake. Life is like a bowl of chocolates: there are all these little crinkly paper cups everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, CorruptedTech said: Can somebody gimme a rundown of what mining is? simplified technical explanation: randomly guessing a number until u find the right one and get rewarded for it, the number is used to add a block to the blockchain and continue to the next block -sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, CorruptedTech said: Can somebody gimme a rundown of what mining is? This isn't the thread for that, if you want to know what mining is, please check the appropriate forum section, read the pinned threads, etc... If you need help with your forum account, please use the Forum Support form ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, wkdpaul said: This isn't the thread for that, if you want to know what mining is, please check the appropriate forum section, read the pinned threads, etc... Oh my bad, I will go to another forum section. go follow @sub68, @King of Memes and @wkdpaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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