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Ethereum set to make GPU mining obsolete, miners aren't happy and plan protests

Rym
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When gamers were ignored, it's all fine. When miners gets ignored, hell breaks loose. Lol, nice logic.

And oh:

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-gpu-liquid-mineral-oil-cooled-cryptocurrency-mining-rigs-spotted/

 

This shit has been going on for 6 months and if it won't get any better, then you can bet your ass it will get much worse if this keeps up.

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On 3/12/2021 at 11:15 PM, Brooksie359 said:

Yeah I hate cryptocurrency but honestly I know that this will simply make a new coin popular. I mean wasn't that why ETH became popular in the first place? Because it was easy to mine with traditional gpus and it had the most profit for the most part. Now they will simply go down the list to the next most profitable coin and start all over again and the cancer that is cryptocurrency continues. 

No ETH became popular because it was the first blockchain to be made for general use and was ASIC resistant. ETH's blockchain can be used for a whole laundry list of things other cryptos can't. I would also imagine the massive support from Putin and Russia helps 

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Sounds stupid to move to PoS, will only stratify earnings even more. 
 

Crypto ”mining” needs  an ”investment resistant” PoW method. I just don’t know what that would be, maybe solving capchas or something. 

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2 hours ago, Spindel said:

Crypto ”mining” needs  an ”investment resistant” PoW method. I just don’t know what that would be, maybe solving capchas or something.

I think you're literally describing the current situation here 😛 We want to get away from it, because it's not sustainable. Else we'll just start seeing captcha farms.

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I want to taste the tears of miners that end up selling their GPUs against others on e-bay. Flood that market baby! Sell them used and CHEAP!

 

 

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I would like to purchase a mined RTX 3080 for 400$, since it's probably already gonna be 10C hotter and 10% slower than other 3080s as well as pop in 3 years 😂

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On 3/12/2021 at 3:45 PM, S70N3R said:

So that means we actually might be able to buy GPUs? lol

True and ETH Asic miners will become much cheaper

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Ah darn, ETH is going to stop pow?

 

-switch gpu to other algo-

That wasn't so hard was it? That's the beauty of GP GPU 👌

 

Those who are cheering and waiting for GPU to hit 2nd hand market for the cheap might have to be disappointed like back in the 2018 "crash"

There are some GPU for sale for the cheap, but not much from what I know, most of them are still mining away and hodling

-sigh- feeling like I'm being too negative lately

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1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

-switch gpu to other algo-

Do we know how much GPU speed is on ETH compared to other GPU viable algos? AFAIK most coins do not increase inflation when there are more miners, so an increase in miners means a decrease in revenue. If eth profitability drops, miners moving to other coins will also lower the other coin's profitability.

1 hour ago, Moonzy said:

Those who are cheering and waiting for GPU to hit 2nd hand market for the cheap might have to be disappointed like back in the 2018 "crash"

There are some GPU for sale for the cheap, but not much from what I know, most of them are still mining away and hodling

But could we have a 2018-like crash even if EIP-1559 didn't happen? Both would be worse for miners.

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12 hours ago, BuckGup said:

No ETH became popular because it was the first blockchain to be made for general use and was ASIC resistant. ETH's blockchain can be used for a whole laundry list of things other cryptos can't. I would also imagine the massive support from Putin and Russia helps 

Ok so you just agreed with me. It was made popular because it was asic resistant meaning it was the most profitable to mine with consumer gpus. I can almost guarantee that some other coin will simply replace it once ETH is no longer able to be mined. They will simply go down the list to the next coin that is profitable and start mining it. 

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11 hours ago, tikker said:

I think you're literally describing the current situation here 😛 We want to get away from it, because it's not sustainable. Else we'll just start seeing captcha farms.

I have a wild idea. 

 

Let people earn crypto currency by performing constructive tasks, like building construction, providing service in shops and restaurants etc. Some people might not use all the crypto currency right away but keep it in their wallets for a while, this reserve could be rewarded in some way, let us call the reward "interest". Now let us make a central entity with the assignment of monitoring and realizing transactions. Let us call that entity a "Central Bank". 

 

Crypto currency isn't the future, it's a fad and a boubble. It's not sustainable and it's too volatile to be usable. It's going to end up being the tulip crisis of the 21st century, we are not there yet but we are heading there. People ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it.  

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24 minutes ago, Spindel said:

I have a wild idea. 

 

Let people earn crypto currency by performing constructive tasks, like building construction, providing service in shops and restaurants etc. Some people might not use all the crypto currency right away but keep it in their wallets for a while, this reserve could be rewarded in some way, let us call the reward "interest". Now let us make a central entity with the assignment of monitoring and realizing transactions. Let us call that entity a "Central Bank". 

 

Crypto currency isn't the future, it's a fad and a boubble. It's not sustainable and it's too volatile to be usable. It's going to end up being the tulip crisis of the 21st century, we are not there yet but we are heading there. People ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it.  

Trouble is people want get rich quick and easy ideas. In this case POS is the logical step for those trying to secure their gains and lock out others. And not just etherium has thought about it. Many have figured it'd be great. All it means however is those with the most of a specific currency get the most of it. It centralizes it which was supposed to be the thing these coins did not have. 

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9 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

Ok so you just agreed with me. It was made popular because it was asic resistant meaning it was the most profitable to mine with consumer gpus. I can almost guarantee that some other coin will simply replace it once ETH is no longer able to be mined. They will simply go down the list to the next coin that is profitable and start mining it. 

I said and as in both cases need to be true where it's the combination of ETH being a general purpose blockchain AND it's ASIC resistant. There are plenty of GPU, CPU, and even HDD only cyrptocurrencies but they aren't nearly as popular as ETH

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9 hours ago, Spindel said:

I have a wild idea. 

 

Let people earn crypto currency by performing constructive tasks, like building construction, providing service in shops and restaurants etc. Some people might not use all the crypto currency right away but keep it in their wallets for a while, this reserve could be rewarded in some way, let us call the reward "interest". Now let us make a central entity with the assignment of monitoring and realizing transactions. Let us call that entity a "Central Bank".

This is the literal opposite of what crypto wants though, so there never will (or I guess "should", since we aren't truthseers) be a "central bank" of crypto, because it revolves around decentralisation. My bank currently gives me 0.0% interest over my savings, and that's even only because they don't allow negative interest, so they're about as useful as burnt toast in that regard. The EU in their recent example of the digital Euro may even charge you to keep money over a certain amount in your account there.

9 hours ago, Spindel said:

Crypto currency isn't the future, it's a fad and a boubble. It's not sustainable and it's too volatile to be usable. It's going to end up being the tulip crisis of the 21st century, we are not there yet but we are heading there. People ignorant to history are doomed to repeat it.

We have no idea if cryptocurrency is the future or not. Maybe it will be in some form, possibly more in the form of the technology behind it than its current form, or maybe it won't be. What evidence do we have that we are headed to a "crypto crisis"? "it's a fad / bubble" is just an opinion (which you are entitled to). Bigger parties became interested, regular banks are investigating blockchain. It has left its marks.

 

Finally, which people constantly seem to miss, mining is not sustainable and we know it's not. That's why coins are or are going to proof of stake. Volatility is part early adopters tax. Also not every coin is trying to be normal currency. Nano and Stellar are both great examples that are much more a currency. They're fast and have low to no fees. Otherwise there are stablecoins that are tied to e.g. the dollar.

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Honestly gonna be a little disappointed that I cant cash out from my last little bit of mining but I really hope it frees up the hardware market. Definitely a tradeoff I would take

 

Breaking things 1 day at a time

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1 hour ago, tikker said:

This is the literal opposite of what crypto wants though, so there never will (or I guess "should", since we aren't truthseers) be a "central bank" of crypto, because it revolves around decentralisation. My bank currently gives me 0.0% interest over my savings, and that's even only because they don't allow negative interest, so they're about as useful as burnt toast in that regard. The EU in their recent example of the digital Euro may even charge you to keep money over a certain amount in your account there.

We have no idea if cryptocurrency is the future or not. Maybe it will be in some form, possibly more in the form of the technology behind it than its current form, or maybe it won't be. What evidence do we have that we are headed to a "crypto crisis"? "it's a fad / bubble" is just an opinion (which you are entitled to). Bigger parties became interested, regular banks are investigating blockchain. It has left its marks.

 

Finally, which people constantly seem to miss, mining is not sustainable and we know it's not. That's why coins are or are going to proof of stake. Volatility is part early adopters tax. Also not every coin is trying to be normal currency. Nano and Stellar are both great examples that are much more a currency. They're fast and have low to no fees. Otherwise there are stablecoins that are tied to e.g. the dollar.

 

Its technology has not really gotten into many places after the past few years. A few companies began experimenting with blockchain for stuff but thats since stopped being a big thing. Fact is this is really just now about getting rich.  POS will basically centralize it anyways into those who have the most of it. Once this happens you have defacto centralization.

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2 hours ago, Tellos said:

Its technology has not really gotten into many places after the past few years. A few companies began experimenting with blockchain for stuff but thats since stopped being a big thing. Fact is this is really just now about getting rich.

Sure crypto right now is an investment. I'm not going to deny I'm also in it for the money.

2 hours ago, Tellos said:

POS will basically centralize it anyways into those who have the most of it. Once this happens you have defacto centralization.

So you consider it centralised anyway then, because now its up to who has the highest hashpower. This centralisation can only happen if a single staker holds >=51% of all coins, which will need to be avoided just like we now need to avoid a single pool having >=51% of the hashrate. Having more will just increasae your chances of being selected as validators and/or allowing higher hashrates for you just like currently having more hashpower nets you more blocks.

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7 hours ago, BuckGup said:

I said and as in both cases need to be true where it's the combination of ETH being a general purpose blockchain AND it's ASIC resistant. There are plenty of GPU, CPU, and even HDD only cyrptocurrencies but they aren't nearly as popular as ETH

And I said it was popular because it was profitable to mine and i stand by that statement. It mainly needs to be profitable to mine. It being valued high helps and maybe being a multipurpose blockchain helps that but at the end of the day miners probably don't care about what the coin does so much as they do how much money they can make. It will simply be replaced by another coin once this goes into effect. ETH isn't anything special so its not like miners are going to stop mining because of this. I wish it was the case but there are many other coins that are profitable enough that miners will simply switch to those. 

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10 hours ago, tikker said:

Sure crypto right now is an investment. I'm not going to deny I'm also in it for the money.

So you consider it centralised anyway then, because now its up to who has the highest hashpower. This centralisation can only happen if a single staker holds >=51% of all coins, which will need to be avoided just like we now need to avoid a single pool having >=51% of the hashrate. Having more will just increasae your chances of being selected as validators and/or allowing higher hashrates for you just like currently having more hashpower nets you more blocks.

Satoshi Nakamoto holds about 1 million bitcoins if this person (or group) would decide to liquidate that into real world money it would crash BC value instantly.

 

BC is already centralized.  

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On 3/15/2021 at 12:40 AM, Moonzy said:

Ah darn, ETH is going to stop pow?

 

-switch gpu to other algo-

That wasn't so hard was it? That's the beauty of GP GPU 👌

 

Those who are cheering and waiting for GPU to hit 2nd hand market for the cheap might have to be disappointed like back in the 2018 "crash"

There are some GPU for sale for the cheap, but not much from what I know, most of them are still mining away and hodling

What if ETH actually succeds and becomes a popular form of "money" so that other crytocoins are worth shit compared to it because of Proof of Stake?

It's gonna be fun when people investing in this libertarian jerk-off fantasy get what they wanted all along.

People might need to get themselves a real job and contribute to society instead of leech off with their capitals.

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3 hours ago, Spindel said:

Satoshi Nakamoto holds about 1 million bitcoins if this person (or group) would decide to liquidate that into real world money it would crash BC value instantly.

 

BC is already centralized.  

It's not. He neither owns 51% of the supply nor 51% of the hashpower, so no it's not centralised. They are speculated to own that ~5% of the supply, but they hold no power other than dumping 1 M BTC into the market crashing it all. The same would happen to the stock market of even the general market if someone would decide to suddenly offload 50 billion into it.

28 minutes ago, Aochan said:

What if ETH actually succeds and becomes a popular form of "money" so that other crytocoins are worth shit compared to it because of Proof of Stake?

It's gonna be fun when people investing in this libertarian jerk-off fantasy get what they wanted all along.

People might need to get themselves a real job and contribute to society instead of leech off with their capitals.

I hope it succeeds. Alts can coexist though. It's not A or B. I recently used Stellar, which is proof of stake, to move some funds. It was fast and cheap.

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6 minutes ago, tikker said:

It's not. He neither owns 51% of the supply nor 51% of the hashpower, so no it's not centralised. They are speculated to own that ~5% of the supply, but they hold no power other than dumping 1 M BTC into the market crashing it all. The same would happen to the stock market of even the general market if someone would decide to suddenly offload 50 billion into it.

Actually not. 

 

Stock market isn't a casino and for most companies the stock price is actually reflecting the companies ability turn a profit of the services/goods they produce. Someone offloading 50 billion in the stock market wouldn't make a dent.

 

Someone offloading 50 billion in an individual stock will short term drop the price (triggering automatic stopp/loss), but it doesn't matter for a healthy stock and it will jump back given time. Unhealthy stocks based on pure speculation/hope, Tesla comes to mind, will never recover. A healthy company actually doesn't care about what the stock price is, it has already gotten the money for the stocks that are issued. 

 

When you buy a stock you actually become an owner to a small piece of said company, you also get a piece of said companys earnings in forms of dividends. With bitcoin or any other crypto you have nothing other than peoples hopes that it is worth something. 

 

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15 minutes ago, Spindel said:

Stock market isn't a casino and for most companies the stock price is actually reflecting the companies ability turn a profit of the services/goods they produce. Someone offloading 50 billion in the stock market wouldn't make a dent.

GameStop?

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3 minutes ago, leadeater said:

GameStop?

Thats why I said for most companies.

 

I also mentioned Tesla because it’s stock price has no corelation to the companys earnings or even expected (realistic) future earnings.

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4 minutes ago, Spindel said:

Thats why I said for most companies.

 

I also mentioned Tesla because it’s stock price has no corelation to the companys earnings or even expected (realistic) future earnings.

The problem is with $50 billion dollars you really could massively disrupt the stock market, that mount of additional trading going in to it would have a huge influence and have very large ripple effect through it. The 2008 finical crisis was triggered by far, far less than $50 billion dollars which then cascaded all that way to trillions. If you want to tank the stock market you could do it with $50 billion dollars, then go to jail for stock market manipulation, but you could.

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