Is it Luxury ?

[oldSock]

hi everyone, hope you are doing well.

 

So before i start this, please take note that this post may upset some readers.

I highly recommend that you rather skip it, if it upsets you in any way.

 

So if you made it this far, it means you have an open mind and want to see what its all about.

Again i warn you, you may not like this at all so please consider clicking away before continuing.

 

 

 

Now if you made it this far lets get started.

 

If you live in a country like mine, you end up paying more import tax on something cool like a nice new GPU simply because some big brain individual decided to call it a LUXURY ITEM.

 

Now according to my dictionary, Luxury means > Something that is an indulgence rather than a necessity.

 

So here is me, i do stuff on a computer to make a living. It is just how it goes. But in the end of the day i end up paying twice if not more for stuff like a GPU. Why because it falls under this STUPID description. "Luxury item" when i actually need it to do some serious work. 

 

So to keep short, What is your take on this? Do you consider a GPU as a luxury item? Or is it simply an expansion card to push pixels ?

 

For me it is a tool, it does a job. Yes for others it is a piece of hardware that is used for gaming/entertainment. But the point is, many of us actually do need this stuff to earn money so that we can pay even more taxes. Lovely right?

 

So do you have law like this in your country?

 

Right now if i am to order a 3080 it would be actually less-expensive for me to go to the country next door buy it there and take it home with me then buying it locally...

 

How did we get here? Well simple answer is there is so much tax, import tax, value added tax and markup on this product that it goes from expensive to unobtainable.

 

Hence why i am always looking for secondhand stuff.

 

So if you have similar problem please share it.

 

 

Thank you for reading, keeping an open mind

 

 

enjoy

 

 

[minibois]

They aren't luxury items, they are niche items that for some people are a tool of work.

4 minutes ago, oldSock said:

If you live in a country like mine, you end up paying more import tax on something cool like a nice new GPU simply because some big brain individual decided to call it a LUXURY ITEM.

Where I live we have two VAT levels, one for the necessities and one for everything else.

The only things that fall in the necessity category are food and drinks (excluding alcoholic drinks).

By the design of that system, one could say GPU's here are also seen as luxury items.

 

For some people, a videocard is a tool of work, but for many others it is a tool for leisure.

Unfortunately, a country can't make exceptions and has to keep the import tax the same on an entire level (probably "electronics" as a whole), meaning GPU's are seen as luxury.

 

There are a lot of other product categories that are toys to some and tools to others, but from a government level they just have to make a choice on that

[dfsgsfa]

luxury compqred to...?

now that all focus goes to high end stuff, it is sort of luxury, where nost $200 gpu is more than enough

[Moonzy]

16 minutes ago, oldSock said:

For me it is a tool, it does a job.

i would argue that a tool for a job would require you to pay more since you can cover the cost of it literally instead of "worth" in gaming time

that's the Quadro in a nutshell

 

the extra cost can be used to develop next gen stuffs

[FloRolf]

I mean, if you need it for work you can put that into your annual taxes and get it back so I don't see the issue. If you use it for playing minecraft with your 12y/o friends then yes, it's luxury and you can't make up for it in the taxes. 

[VxZ]

Personally, I think the word "Luxury" is very Subjective

 

For some, An expansive sports car is a luxury. to some others, Having any form of a car rather than a cycle is a luxury (especially on 3rd world country), and for me, (If I work) Being able to go the bathroom while in work is a luxury

[kelvinhall05]

Absolutely a luxury, find me one person who legitimately needs a 3080 for their job or else they cannot complete it and will die because they get fired and can't afford food.

[oldSock]

On 9/30/2020 at 1:35 AM, kelvinhall05 said:

Absolutely a luxury, find me one person who legitimately needs a 3080 for their job or else they cannot complete it and will die because they get fired and can't afford food.

Actually you will find a lot of people, specially in advertisement, animation, game development sector. 

 

To be clear it is not about the card or its size it is at the speed it can do it in.

 

Having calibrated color correct screens, while pushing 8k renderings isn't new. It takes a long time on a slow card and having a faster card just means productivity. Rendering is a very real aspect when it comes to media, digital animation and animation as the demand for it grows by the day. Not to mention the game development sector.

 

But i do understand why people believe this kind of tech should be considered a Luxury item. For example a client of mine only uses 8k now most of his clients can't be bothered as they don't have the hardware. But because my client uses 8K i must now be able to process in 8 at a good consistent speed. So when it comes to real time deadlines this can become a problem fast. So what i ended up doing is taking on less work so i can finish on time. Now obviously that hit me where it hurts :"my wallet". My current solution is, i got a second "second hand" system and while the one does all the work the second is tasked with rendering alone.

 

Still i was just wondering if anyone else thought that GPUs should classed as "a tool" rather then a "luxury item"

[dizmo]

On 9/29/2020 at 2:30 PM, oldSock said:

hi everyone, hope you are doing well.

 

So before i start this, please take note that this post may upset some readers.

I highly recommend that you rather skip it, if it upsets you in any way.

 

So if you made it this far, it means you have an open mind and want to see what its all about.

Again i warn you, you may not like this at all so please consider clicking away before continuing.

 

Now if you made it this far lets get started.

 

If you live in a country like mine, you end up paying more import tax on something cool like a nice new GPU simply because some big brain individual decided to call it a LUXURY ITEM.

 

Now according to my dictionary, Luxury means > Something that is an indulgence rather than a necessity.

 

So here is me, i do stuff on a computer to make a living. It is just how it goes. But in the end of the day i end up paying twice if not more for stuff like a GPU. Why because it falls under this STUPID description. "Luxury item" when i actually need it to do some serious work. 

 

So to keep short, What is your take on this? Do you consider a GPU as a luxury item? Or is it simply an expansion card to push pixels ?

 

For me it is a tool, it does a job. Yes for others it is a piece of hardware that is used for gaming/entertainment. But the point is, many of us actually do need this stuff to earn money so that we can pay even more taxes. Lovely right?

 

So do you have law like this in your country?

 

Right now if i am to order a 3080 it would be actually less-expensive for me to go to the country next door buy it there and take it home with me then buying it locally...

 

How did we get here? Well simple answer is there is so much tax, import tax, value added tax and markup on this product that it goes from expensive to unobtainable.

 

Hence why i am always looking for secondhand stuff.

 

So if you have similar problem please share it.

 

Thank you for reading, keeping an open mind

 

enjoy

The formatting of your post is so triggering...

That's before I even got to the content, which just leads you on for the first few lines. Useless.

 

I'd imagine your country has methods in which you can write off that item as a business expense. It is, technically, a luxury item. You certainly don't need it to survive.

Do they tax Quadros at the same amount?

 

Taxes are an important part of a country. You wouldn't have half the things you do without them.

[oldSock]

1 hour ago, dizmo said:

The formatting of your post is so triggering...

That's before I even got to the content, which just leads you on for the first few lines. Useless.

 

I'd imagine your country has methods in which you can write off that item as a business expense. It is, technically, a luxury item. You certainly don't need it to survive.

Do they tax Quadros at the same amount?

 

Taxes are an important part of a country. You wouldn't have half the things you do without them.

Well i did warn you  to click away.

 

Anyhow, i format my post the way i do because i am use to writing in this particular stile for a very long time. 

 

To answer your question YES Quadros are luxury items along with any other GPU.

 

As for tax deductions. I am looking into that actually. I use second hand parts because "cost" rather then buying new. The problem is its not tax deductible is is not suppose to be as far as i understand it. 

 

The only reason i was "looking into" getting a new card is it will take some time for it to circulate to the second hand market. But thanks to the second "second hand rig" running a 1080ti i am able to get work done much much faster. Having two systems really did help a lot. Again not a solution but a "working solution"

[straight_stewie]

The other option is that governments shouldn't be trying to limit the purchase of any legal product or service.

Taxing an item because it's a "luxury" is at best greed and at worst, oppression. What's even worse is defining everything other than food and water a "luxury".

"Import taxes" are better called "tariffs", and are best used as a way to control trade with specific nation states: A lower tax for nation A means it is a preferred trade partner, while a higher tax for nation B means that it's less preferred or in extreme cases, highly discouraged but not outright banned.

[Lord Vile]

On 9/29/2020 at 9:30 PM, oldSock said:

hi everyone, hope you are doing well.

 

So before i start this, please take note that this post may upset some readers.

I highly recommend that you rather skip it, if it upsets you in any way.

 

So if you made it this far, it means you have an open mind and want to see what its all about.

Again i warn you, you may not like this at all so please consider clicking away before continuing.

 

 

 

Now if you made it this far lets get started.

 

If you live in a country like mine, you end up paying more import tax on something cool like a nice new GPU simply because some big brain individual decided to call it a LUXURY ITEM.

 

Now according to my dictionary, Luxury means > Something that is an indulgence rather than a necessity.

 

So here is me, i do stuff on a computer to make a living. It is just how it goes. But in the end of the day i end up paying twice if not more for stuff like a GPU. Why because it falls under this STUPID description. "Luxury item" when i actually need it to do some serious work. 

 

So to keep short, What is your take on this? Do you consider a GPU as a luxury item? Or is it simply an expansion card to push pixels ?

 

For me it is a tool, it does a job. Yes for others it is a piece of hardware that is used for gaming/entertainment. But the point is, many of us actually do need this stuff to earn money so that we can pay even more taxes. Lovely right?

 

So do you have law like this in your country?

 

Right now if i am to order a 3080 it would be actually less-expensive for me to go to the country next door buy it there and take it home with me then buying it locally...

 

How did we get here? Well simple answer is there is so much tax, import tax, value added tax and markup on this product that it goes from expensive to unobtainable.

 

Hence why i am always looking for secondhand stuff.

 

So if you have similar problem please share it.

 

 

Thank you for reading, keeping an open mind

 

 

enjoy

 

 

Just claim it back as a work expense? 

[3 Lions]

For the 3090 yes, but anything below that no. More people are likely to own a 3080 rather than a 3090. 

 

In my opinion a luxury item has to be a one-off or at the very least sell in small numbers to a select customer base. You're buying scarcity and that's sort of what luxury used to be about, that sense of exclusivity is what is appealing to some people. I mean you don't go into Asprey in London wanting the same piece of jewellery as everyone else, you want an exclusive piece (the prices reflect that).

[miagisan]

Claim it as a work expense, problem solved.  

[Drama Lama]

On 9/29/2020 at 10:39 PM, minibois said:

They aren't luxury items, they are niche items that for some people are a tool of work.

Where I live we have two VAT levels, one for the necessities and one for everything else.

The only things that fall in the necessity category are food and drinks (excluding alcoholic drinks).

By the design of that system, one could say GPU's here are also seen as luxury items.

 

For some people, a videocard is a tool of work, but for many others it is a tool for leisure.

Unfortunately, a country can't make exceptions and has to keep the import tax the same on an entire level (probably "electronics" as a whole), meaning GPU's are seen as luxury.

 

There are a lot of other product categories that are toys to some and tools to others, but from a government level they just have to make a choice on that

Where I live there are also these two categories one for food and one for the rest 

but if you are using a GPU ( and the whole PC ) for work you can get your  money back ( so the tax paid )

[minibois]

7 hours ago, Drama Lama said:

Where I live there are also these two categories one for food and one for the rest 

but if you are using a GPU ( and the whole PC ) for work you can get your  money back ( so the tax paid )

Same here, or really anywhere else in the civilized world, but I didn't feel like it was relevant.

There is a necessity and luxury sales tax, which is the only thing relevant.

[thedangerine]

I think you could maybe consider it a luxury item for some use cases, but considering that it is used for real workstation use a lot I don't think it should get taxed extra. I used to live in Illinois which has absurd sales, income, and property tax so I generally think that over taxing is whack especially when the government never seems to do anything useful with it. Chicagoland area still has garbage roads and the state is in more debt than it knows what to do with despite having some of the highest taxes in the country only with states like california beating it out

[Exeon]

If the computer you build is for gaming then it's a hobby, not a luxary.

 

Like every hobby you can go as far in it as you like.

No one would view a Bicycle as a luxary, so my brother in law who spends 5000$ every few years on a new one is it a luxary?

 

You can argue it is, but in the end I view it as a hobby, when it comes to hobbies PC's are still relatively cheap, depending on how far you want to go of course.

[thedangerine]

On 10/3/2020 at 11:45 AM, Exeon said:

If the computer you build is for gaming then it's a hobby, not a luxary.

 

Like every hobby you can go as far in it as you like.

No one would view a Bicycle as a luxary, so my brother in law who spends 5000$ every few years on a new one is it a luxary?

 

You can argue it is, but in the end I view it as a hobby, when it comes to hobbies PC's are still relatively cheap, depending on how far you want to go of course.

I agree, however if you are using it for work related things such as 3d modeling or video editing than I would say that isn't a luxury as you may have a genuine need for the extra power. The bicycle example is great, for people like me where a much lower end machine could do everything that I actually need for work or school without issue something like a 3080 could be viewed as a luxury

[Praesi]

Depends on Person and where you live. For some People running water is luxus.

[oJIMoBOBo]

I use my graphics card to play destiny once every couple of months and browse the Internet.

 

I can do some electrical design on it but an igpu would be fine for that task, so for me it’s indeed a luxury

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

For me specifically, I draw the line on craftsmanship. I don't see Apple Watches as being a luxury item because it's just mass produced, it's manufactured. Whereas something like a Rolex or a Grand Seiko, there's a ton of meticulous handiwork that went into making it. 

 

[3 Lions]

2 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

it's just mass produced, it's manufactured.

I mean you can have mass produced luxury items. Sony phones for example, their phones are mass produced in a factory (obviously) but they are put together with care and insane levels of attention to detail. A lot of people complain about their low market share in the mobile communications sector and while that's true I don't actually see that as a bad thing, it just cements the fact that they've found a specific customer base. With this smaller customer base they can focus down deeper on the overall quality a lot more than say Apple or Samsung and it shows in spades. You have to own a Sony phone (especially a flagship model) at least once in your lifetime to experience what real quality is all about, that and the beautiful traditional Japanese design philosophy. Their phones are clearly not designed for the average consumer, they are designed for people like me who prefer quality and like the sense of exclusivity. Proper luxury. 

 

Definitely not biased despite owning a Sony Xperia 1 II...