The R5 3600, the worst upgrade I did.

[Silencix]

Some time ago I acquired a R5 3600 and 32GB of ram that compared to my old i7-7700 and my 16gb of ram resulted in the upgrade that the games I used to play over 100FPS now do not exceed 60FPS. Did anyone else experience this drop in FPS in games with the new ryzen? Maybe it is a bad configuration of mine in the bios or something like that so that in the games I have a very significant FPS drop.
RTX 2070, D3 and Ethernal Magic tested games. 

 

[minibois]

Just now, Silencix said:

Some time ago I acquired a R5 3600 and 32GB of ram that compared to my old i7-7700 and my 16gb of ram resulted in the upgrade that the games I used to play over 100FPS now do not exceed 60FPS. Did anyone else experience this drop in FPS in games with the new ryzen? Maybe it is a bad configuration of mine in the bios or something like that so that in the games I have a very significant FPS drop.
RTX 2070, D3 and Ethernal Magic tested games. 

7700 vs 3600 should be somewhat similar in in-game performance.

What speed is your memory running at?

[Silencix]

1 minute ago, minibois said:

7700 vs 3600 should be somewhat similar in in-game performance.

What speed is your memory running at?

2400

[Fatih19]

Is the memory running on dual channel?

[.Apex.]

1 minute ago, Silencix said:

2400

how many sticks of RAM? and if they are 2 then which RAM slots on the board are they in?

[minibois]

Just now, Silencix said:

2400

2400Mhz memory is not great for Ryzen, 3000Mhz is really the minimum I would recommend.

Personally I have noticed stuttering in games with low Mhz memory and in benchmarks you can see lower fps: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock

But the difference between 3200Mhz and 2400Mhz is like 5%, not multi-digit %

 

Is this a single stick or two sticks?

[Silencix]

1 minute ago, Syn. said:

how many sticks of RAM? and if they are 2 then which RAM slots on the board are they in?

 

1 minute ago, minibois said:

Is this a single stick or two sticks?

 

2 minutes ago, Fatih19 said:

Is the memory running on dual channel?

4 modules of 8gb 
Neo Forza 2 x 8 GB
NMUD480E82-3200DB21

[minibois]

Just now, Silencix said:

4 modules of 8gb 
Neo Forza 2 x 8 GB
NMUD480E82-3200DB21

I am not aware of this manufacturer of RAM, but judging by the model name it should be 3200Mhz memory.

Go into your BIOS and turn on XMP / DOCP (the latter is only for ASUS boards) to make the memory actually run at that speed.

[.Apex.]

3 minutes ago, Silencix said:

 

 

4 modules of 8gb 
Neo Forza 2 x 8 GB
NMUD480E82-3200DB21

Is your CPU boosting clocks properly when in game? you could also do a Cinebench run to benchmark the CPU.

 

https://www.maxon.net/en-us/products/cinebench-r20-overview/

[Tristerin]

Is this a fresh OS install, or just migrated the disk over?  If that's the case that's the majority of the issue.

[Silencix]

42 minutes ago, minibois said:

I am not aware of this manufacturer of RAM, but judging by the model name it should be 3200Mhz memory.

Go into your BIOS and turn on XMP / DOCP (the latter is only for ASUS boards) to make the memory actually run at that speed.

 

I have tried the ram at 3200 and there is no difference in terms of performance or fps in games.

 

41 minutes ago, Syn. said:

Is your CPU boosting clocks properly when in game? you could also do a Cinebench run to benchmark the CPU.

 

https://www.maxon.net/en-us/products/cinebench-r20-overview/

Attached a screenshot of Cinebench

 

 

35 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Is this a fresh OS install, or just migrated the disk over?  If that's the case that's the majority of the issue.

Yes, it is a fresh install of windows 10.

[minibois]

1 minute ago, Silencix said:

I have tried the ram at 3200 and there is no difference in terms of performance or fps in games.

Attached a screenshot of Cinebench

There is definitely something weird going on; a 3600 should get closer to 3550CB score in Cinebench.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-3600-review,10.html

 

Can you run the Cinebench R20 test again, but now with HWInfo64 open to see the temperatures and clockspeeds?

[.Apex.]

6 minutes ago, Silencix said:

Attached a screenshot of Cinebench

You should be getting around 3500 points in Cinebench R20, and the score indicates that your CPU is running even lower than Base Clock which might mean that your CPU is thermal throttling, run HWiNFO as minibois suggested and watch your temps and clock speeds while Cinebench is running.

[Silencix]

3 minutes ago, Syn. said:

You should be getting around 3500 points in Cinebench R20, and the score indicates that your CPU is running even lower than Base Clock which might mean that your CPU is thermal throttling, run HWiNFO as minibois suggested and watch your temps and clock speeds while Cinebench is running.

 

9 minutes ago, minibois said:

There is definitely something weird going on; a 3600 should get closer to 3550CB score in Cinebench.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-3600-review,10.html

 

Can you run the Cinebench R20 test again, but now with HWInfo64 open to see the temperatures and clockspeeds?

[.Apex.]

Seems like your CPU is not boosting at all, it's stuck at Base Clock even at idle, have you messed with any settings in the BIOS? try resetting it and install the Chipset Drivers from AMD's website which should give you the Ryzen Power Plans that you should switch to.

[Silencix]

3 hours ago, Syn. said:

Seems like your CPU is not boosting at all, it's stuck at Base Clock even at idle, have you messed with any settings in the BIOS? try resetting it and install the Chipset Drivers from AMD's website which should give you the Ryzen Power Plans that you should switch to.

thanks, i put the factory settings on the bios and installed the chipset. Now I get to 80-100fps on D3. But this is very similar to the performance I had with my old configuration. Is there anything else that can be optimized for better performance/fps?

 

[Mister Woof]

8 minutes ago, Silencix said:

thanks, i put the factory settings on the bios and installed the chipset. Now I get to 80-100fps on D3. But this is very similar to the performance I had with my old configuration. Is there anything else that can be optimized for better performance/fps?

 

Ryzen 3600 isn't really a significant gaming upgrade over the 7700 in most cases, especially if your GPU is modest.

 

What's D3?

[Stockholmes]

1 hour ago, Mister Woof said:

Ryzen 3600 isn't really a significant gaming upgrade over the 7700 in most cases, especially if your GPU is modest.

 

What's D3?

I think he means Diablo 3.

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Stockholmes said:

I think he means Diablo 3.

oh.......that game runs great on everything though, and 90-100fps whats the difference

[.Apex.]

1 hour ago, Silencix said:

thanks, i put the factory settings on the bios and installed the chipset. Now I get to 80-100fps on D3. But this is very similar to the performance I had with my old configuration. Is there anything else that can be optimized for better performance/fps?

Enable XMP/DOCP to put your RAM at 3200Mhz, that should give a small performance uplift, but other than that there's not much you can do to drastically improve performance, the 3600 matches the 7700 in Games, but pulls much further in productivity workloads.

 

and if your GPU is already being utilized to 100% then having a better CPU won't change anything because the GPU would be the slowest link in the chain, it is the ideal scenario though, to have the GPU utilized to its full potential.

[Silencix]

On 9/8/2020 at 4:03 PM, Syn. said:

Enable XMP/DOCP to put your RAM at 3200Mhz, that should give a small performance uplift, but other than that there's not much you can do to drastically improve performance, the 3600 matches the 7700 in Games, but pulls much further in productivity workloads.

 

and if your GPU is already being utilized to 100% then having a better CPU won't change anything because the GPU would be the slowest link in the chain, it is the ideal scenario though, to have the GPU utilized to its full potential.

Thank you very much, the fps are now better.