Posted May 8, 2020 AIO uses water inside the loop that can harness much more heat than air before changing temps. If this thermal conductivity is considered, aio should dissipate much more heat than Air coolers with a single degree of temperature change. Correct me please if i'm wrong, AIOs are gonna run much more hotter than air coolers, but gonna take out much more heat out of the cpu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 So many variables you aren't including...like what air cooler? What AIO? They are all different, manufactured differently, pumps/liquid used, radiator space (is it copper? Is it aluminum - most AIOs use aluminum rads for example), fans, etc etc etc The correct answer - either depending on the use case situation. Workstation Laptop: Dell Precision 7540, Xeon E-2276M, 32gb DDR4, Quadro T2000 GPU, 4k display Wifes Rig: ASRock B550m Riptide, Ryzen 5 5600X, Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6700 XT, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz V-Color Skywalker RAM, ARESGAME AGS 850w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750, 500gb Crucial m.2, DIYPC MA01-G case My Rig: ASRock B450m Pro4, Ryzen 5 3600, ARESGAME River 5 CPU cooler, EVGA RTX 2060 KO, 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz TeamGroup T-Force RAM, ARESGAME AGV750w PSU, 1tb WD Black SN750 NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 3tb Hitachi 7200 RPM HDD, Fractal Design Focus G Mini custom painted. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 video card benchmark result - AMD Ryzen 5 3600,ASRock B450M Pro4 (3dmark.com) Daughter 1 Rig: ASrock B450 Pro4, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 4.2ghz all core 1.4vCore, AMD R9 Fury X w/ Swiftech KOMODO waterblock, Custom Loop 2x240mm + 1x120mm radiators in push/pull 16gb (2x8) Patriot Viper CL14 2666mhz RAM, Corsair HX850 PSU, 250gb Samsun 960 EVO NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 500gb Samsung 840 EVO SSD, 512GB TeamGroup MP30 M.2 SATA III SSD, SuperTalent 512gb SATA III SSD, CoolerMaster HAF XM Case. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37004594? Daughter 2 Rig: ASUS B350-PRIME ATX, Ryzen 7 1700, Sapphire Nitro+ R9 Fury Tri-X, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz V-Color Skywalker, ANTEC Earthwatts 750w PSU, MasterLiquid Lite 120 AIO cooler in Push/Pull config as rear exhaust, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, Patriot Burst 240gb SSD, Cougar MX330-X Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 LTT made several comparison videos and the conclusion was always that a good beefy air cooler was typically cooler and quieter than an aio. F@H Desktop: i9-13900K, ASUS Z790-E, 64GB DDR5-6000 CL36, RTX3080, 2TB MP600 Pro XT, 2TB SX8200Pro, 2x16TB Ironwolf RAID0, Corsair HX1200, Antec Vortex 360 AIO, Thermaltake Versa H25 TG, Samsung 4K curved 49" TV, 23" secondary, Mountain Everest Max Mobile SFF rig: i9-9900K, Noctua NH-L9i, Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX-AC, 32GB, GTX1070, 2x1TB SX8200Pro RAID0, 2x5TB 2.5" HDD RAID0, Athena 500W Flex (Noctua fan), Custom 4.7l 3D printed case Asus Zenbook UM325UA, Ryzen 7 5700u, 16GB, 1TB, OLED GPD Win 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 You don't get an AIO for just cooling performance. RAM clearance, aesthetics, case size, for example. "Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself. Onyx : AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Fractal Design North XL (black mesh) / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502 7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU - Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L - Samsung 27" 1080p Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p Steam Deck 512GB OLED OnePlus: OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green Other Tech: - 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified. - Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen - MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti - Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 huge AIOs have more surface area, just can't be beat. as for thermal absorbance: 15 minutes ago, SyedHamed said: AIO uses water inside the loop that can harness much more heat than air before changing temps yeah it takes longer to reach steady state but if we're talking after that point the discussion does change. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, SyedHamed said: Correct me please if i'm wrong, AIOs are gonna run much more hotter than air coolers, but gonna take out much more heat out of the cpu. Not really hotter. It's about the peak when the heat created by the CPU and the heat dissipated by the cooler reach a balance. Water can absorb more heat and that's why it takes longer to reach peak heat. Under similar load from one cooler to another, the the peak is more a function of ambient temp and air flow over surface. So for the same AIO pump under the same load and ambient, a 120 mm will be hotter than a 360 mm because the 360 had more surface and will reach equilibrium faster. Spoiler CPU Ryzen 5900X - Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX X570-E - RAM 16GB of G.SKILL NEON 3600 - GPU EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 - Case Mastercase H500p mesh - PSU Seasonic Focus Gx-850 - Corsair MP600 NVME 1 Tb, Samsung 960 PRO 500 Gb & 2 Seagate Baracuda 7200 RPM 2TB in stripe - Display two VG27AQ 2K monitor - Cooling Corsair H150 Pro - Keyboard G-910 W/ Romer G tactile - Mouse G 502 Hero (wired) - Sound Logitech X-530 and Razer Tiamat headphones Operating System Windows 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, Fasauceome said: huge AIOs have more surface area, just can't be beat. as for thermal absorbance: yeah it takes longer to reach steady state but if we're talking after that point the discussion does change. In the highest stage, air coolers will beat an aio right? If you compare nh-d15 and h100i platinum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SyedHamed said: In the highest stage, air coolers will beat an aio right? If you compare nh-d15 and h100i platinum air coolers beat AIOs, for the price. But something like an EVGA CLC 360 doesn't have an air cooling competitor, it's just too massive. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Author 2 minutes ago, Quickstrike said: Not really hotter. It's about the peak when the heat created by the CPU and the heat dissipated by the cooler reach a balance. Water can absorb more heat and that's why it takes longer to reach peak heat. Under similar load from one cooler to another, the the peak is more a function of ambient temp and air flow over surface. So for the same AIO pump under the same load and ambient, a 120 mm will be hotter than a 360 mm because the 360 had more surface and will reach equilibrium faster. From a performance perspective, if I want to squeeze every bit off my cpu, I have to get a beefy air cooler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Both are better in certain applications, both have their reasons for why they may or may not make more sense, in general I have seen high airflow cases affect my CPU temps WAY more than going from air to AIO. So really just getting a good adequate cooler for the specific CPU and a good arilfow case is best in my opinion, this makes the biggest difference. A large air cooler and a good 240/280 AIO are going to be close enough with regards to thermal performance in most cases, so it does not matter much. AMD Motherboard Tier List ‖ GPU Cooling Tier List ‖ PSU Tier List ‖ A Dive Into Custom Keyboards & Mechanical Switches NEWCOMERS Remember to ' Reply ' to comments in order for people to see them, this is done by clicking the arrow icon at the bottom of a comment (Quote). My Builds: MEGA Desk Build Blueberry Pi ‖ R9 3950X ‖ Asus X470 ROG Crosshair VII Hero Wi-Fi ATX ‖ Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 4x16GB 3200MHz CL16 ‖ EVGA GTX 1080Ti SC Black Edition 11GB ‖ EVGA P2 850W w/ Blue Sleeved Cables ‖ Cryorig R1 Universal (Blue) ‖ 2x Corsair Force MP510 4TB w/ Asus Hyper m.2 V2 ‖ Corsair ML Pro Blue LED Fans ‖ Fractal Design Meshify C TG ATX Mid Tower ‖ Asus ROG SWIFT PG348Q 100Hz IPS G-Sync UW ‖ Dell UltraSharp U3419W 60Hz IPS UW ‖ Custom TOFU96 ‖ Corsair Scimitar Pro RGB Work Rig ‖ ThreadRipper 3970X ‖ Asus Prime TRX40 Pro ATX ‖ G.Skill RipjawsV 8x32GB 3200Mhz CL16 ‖ Nvidia Quadro RTX 6000 24GB ‖ Corsair HXi 1000W ‖ EVGA CLC 360 AIO ‖ 8x Sabrent Rocket 2TB w/ 2x Asus Hyper m.2 V2 ‖ Arctic P12 Fans ‖ Phanteks P400A ATX Mid Tower Plotting Machine 1 ‖ ThreadRipper 2990WX ‖ AsRock X399 Taichi ATX ‖ Kingston HyperX Fury 8x16GB 2666Mhz CL18 ‖ Nvidia Quadro K600 1GB ‖ Corsair RMx 850W ‖ EVGA CLC 360 AIO ‖ 2x Sabrent Rocket 2TB & 2x Sabrent Rocket 4TB w/ Asus Hyper m.2 V2 ‖ Arctic P12 Fans ‖ Rosewill RSV-L4500 4U ‖ 5x Dell DS60 60-bay JBOD w/ 1.2PB of HDD Storage ‖ HP 22U Half Rack Plotting Machine 2 ‖ R9 3950X ‖ Asus TUF X570-Plus Wi-Fi ATX ‖ G.Skill RipjawsV 4x16GB 3200Mhz CL16 ‖ Nvidia Quadro K600 1GB ‖ Corsair RM 650W ‖ Noctua NH-D15s Chormax ‖ 4x Corsair MP600 Force 1TB W/ Asus Hyper m.2 Gen4 ‖ Arctic P14 & P12 Fans ‖ Silverstone FARA R1 ATX Mid Tower J.A.R.V.I.S. ‖ R9 3900XT ‖ Asus B550-I ROG STRIX Wi-Fi ITX ‖ G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 3600MHz CL16 ‖ EVGA GTX 1080 SC2 iCX 8GB ‖ Corsair SF 750W Platinum ‖ Corsair H100i Pro AIO ‖ Noctua NF-A12x15 Chromax Fans ‖ FormD T1 SFF ITX Case ‖ LG 75UM8070PUA 4K UHD 120Hz IPS HDR TV ‖ Corsair K63 Cherry MX Red Special Edition Wireless ‖ Corsair Ironclaw RGB Wireless Archive Server ‖ R3 2200G ‖ Asus B450-I ROG STRIX Wi-Fi ITX ‖ Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 2x8GB 3200MHz CL16 White ‖ Vega Integrated Graphics ‖ EVGA P2 750W ‖ Prism Wraith Cooler ‖ ITX Open Bench ‖ 2x HP SAS Expander ‖ LSI-SAS9211 ‖ 220TB of HDD Storage SFF ITX Home PC ‖ i5-7500 ‖ MSI B250I Gaming Pro Wi-Fi AC ITX ‖ G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8GB 2800MHz ‖ Intel Integrated Graphics ‖ Seasonic SSP Flex ATX 300W PSU ‖ Cryorig C7 ‖ Velka 3 rev 1.2 SFF ITX Case (Grey) Laptop ‖ Dell XPS13 2-in-1 7390 (2020) ‖ i7-1065G7 ‖ 32GB 3733MHz LPDDR4x ‖ Intel Integrated Graphics ‖ 1TB NVME M.2 ‖ UHD+ (3840 x 2400) InfinityEdge Touch Display Keyboard Collection ‖ GMMK Full Size ‖ TOFU96 90% ‖ KBD8x MKII TKL ‖ Drop CTRL High Profile TKL ‖ KBD Bella 75% ‖ GMMK Pro 75% ‖ XD84 Pro 75% ‖ KBD67 V2 MKII 65% ‖ KBD67Lite 65% ‖ TOFU65 65% ‖ KBD Blade 60% ‖ Drop Carina 60% ‖ Southpaw75 60% w/ Left Numpad ‖ OLKB Preonic V3 Ortholinear ‖ CosPad XD24 ‖ KBDPad MKII Key Cap Collection ‖ GMK Boba Fett ‖ GMK Red Samurai ‖ GMK Laser CyberDeck +Novalties ‖ GMK Arch ‖ MaxKey B&W ‖ Drop MT3 Camillo ‖ Matt3o MT3 /dev/tty ‖ KBDfans Biip Torii Ext-2048 ‖ ePBT Less But Better +Novalties ‖ EnjoyPBT Dolch ‖ WinMix Mustard ‖ Drop Skylight Horizon & Slate ‖ Glorious Black Aura ‖ Mechanical Key Switch Collection ‖ Zealios V2 65g ‖ Zealios V2 78g ‖ Zilents V2 67g ‖ Tealios V2 67g ‖ C³ Kiwi ‖ C³ Tangerine ‖ Invyr Holy Panda ‖ Durock T1 67g ‖ Kailh Box Thick Jades ‖ Kailh Box Royal ‖ Kailh Box Heavy Dark Yellow ‖ Kailh Box Heavy Burnt Orange ‖ Kailh Box White ‖ Kailh Box Red ‖ Kailh Pro Purple ‖ Kailh Pro Burgandy ‖ Gateron Ink Black V2 ‖ Gateron Black ‖ Gateron Yellow ‖ Gateron Brown ‖ Gateron Green ‖ Gateron Blue ‖ Cherry MX Black ‖ Cherry MX Brown ‖ Cherry MX Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SyedHamed said: From a performance perspective, if I want to squeeze every bit off my cpu, I have to get a beefy air cooler? You have to do custom water cooling with some serious radiator surface area. But since that's not a very economical option, very large radiators are what you'd want to consider. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Author Just now, TheDailyProcrastinator said: Both are better in certain applications, both have their reasons for why they may or may not make more sense, in general I have seen high airflow cases affect my CPU temps WAY more than going from air to AIO. So really just getting a good adequate cooler for the specific CPU and a good arilfow case is best in my opinion, this makes the biggest difference. A large air cooler and a good 240/280 AIO are going to be close enough with regards to thermal performance in most cases, so it does not matter much. So with an even playground, it's a neck and neck between them. And if cost is a thing, air coolers are always better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Author Just now, Fasauceome said: You have to do custom water cooling with some serious radiator surface area. But since that's not a very economical option, very large radiators are what you'd want to consider. Just now, SyedHamed said: So with an even playground, it's a neck and neck between them. And if cost is a thing, air coolers are always better. Is it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 what do you mean "run hotter" with an AIO? the CPU will be hotter? the room will be hotter? heat is going to come off of the block faster, and get to the fins faster, until the liquid reaches it's heat capacity. at that point it becomes more of a surface area game. liquid cooling has really always been a heat capacity (on startup) and surface area game. liquid setups generally keep your CPU cooler because they can even out your heat dissipation over a larger area. that being said, new solid coolers are getting really good at dissipation, because they reach heat capacity so fast, and because really good ones are able to crap a lot of surface area into a small-ish package. We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Just now, SyedHamed said: Is it right? if it comes down to cost vs performance, then yes. a custom loop will always outperform air, but it will be way too expensive. We can't Benchmark like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to shove more GPUs in your computer. Like the time I needed to NV-Link, because I needed a higher HeavenBench score, so I did an SLI, which is what they called NV-Link back in the day. So, I decided to put two GPUs in my computer, which was the style at the time. Now, to add another GPU to your computer, costs a new PSU. Now in those days PSUs said OCZ on them, "Gimme 750W OCZs for an SLI" you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had two GPUs in my rig, which was the style at the time! They didn't have RGB PSUs at the time, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big green ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SyedHamed said: Is it right? An NH-D15, as good a cooler as it is, won't beat 560mm worth of radiator space, not even close. Is price a factor in your question or not? I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, SyedHamed said: So with an even playground, it's a neck and neck between them. And if cost is a thing, air coolers are always better. No, stop using the word "Better". If cost is a thing, air coolers are CHEAPER usually. They each do a job, and they each have a purpose. Just anything, you weigh how well they do a thing vs their price vs other things you deem important. You wouldn't say a Hyundai is better than a Ferrari, would you? No, it's just cheaper. "Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself. Onyx : AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Fractal Design North XL (black mesh) / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502 7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU - Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L - Samsung 27" 1080p Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p Steam Deck 512GB OLED OnePlus: OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green Other Tech: - 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified. - Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen - MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti - Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Author Just now, Fasauceome said: An NH-D15, as good a cooler as it is, won't beat 560mm worth of radiator space, not even close. Is price a factor in your question or not? Economically and also with the same spec catagory like dual tower 240mm air cooler vs 240 mm aio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SyedHamed said: From a performance perspective, if I want to squeeze every bit off my cpu, I have to get a beefy air cooler? Is noise a concern? If not then a big AIO or custome water cooling cranked to the max in a case that support it (more surface = more heat dispersal) will give you better performance. A beeffy cooler will only have two fan pushing air the same way and gulp the air already in your case. An AIO can take air strait from the outside. The noise will be ungodly because of static air pressure. Spoiler CPU Ryzen 5900X - Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX X570-E - RAM 16GB of G.SKILL NEON 3600 - GPU EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 - Case Mastercase H500p mesh - PSU Seasonic Focus Gx-850 - Corsair MP600 NVME 1 Tb, Samsung 960 PRO 500 Gb & 2 Seagate Baracuda 7200 RPM 2TB in stripe - Display two VG27AQ 2K monitor - Cooling Corsair H150 Pro - Keyboard G-910 W/ Romer G tactile - Mouse G 502 Hero (wired) - Sound Logitech X-530 and Razer Tiamat headphones Operating System Windows 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Just now, SyedHamed said: Economically and also with the same spec catagory like dual tower 240mm air cooler vs 240 mm aio A quality air cooler will outperform many 240mm AIOs. There are quality 240mm AIOs that will punch above high tier air cooler class performance, but they get expensive, so if we're talking cooler for your dollar, they do lose the battle. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fasauceome said: A quality air cooler will outperform many 240mm AIOs. There are quality 240mm AIOs that will punch above high tier air cooler class performance, but they get expensive, so if we're talking cooler for your dollar, they do lose the battle. A high quality air cooler rival high quality AIOs. For example an ND-D15 will perform quieter, and basically the same as an H115i. And the temperature difference between a 240mm AIO like the H115i, and a 360mm AIO is slim to none. EDIT: This is coming from someone who prefers AIOs and water cooling. Gaming Build: CPU: Ryzen 7 3800x | GPU: Asus ROG STRIX 2080 SUPER Advanced (2115Mhz Core | 9251Mhz Memory) | Motherboard: Asus X570 TUF GAMING-PLUS | RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 3600MHz 16GB | PSU: Corsair RM850x | Storage: 1TB ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro, 250GB Samsung 840 Evo, 500GB Samsung 840 Evo | Cooler: Corsair H115i Pro XT | Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Peripherals: Monitor: LG 34GK950F | Sound: Sennheiser HD 598 | Mic: Blue Yeti | Keyboard: Corsair K95 RGB Platinum | Mouse: Logitech G502 Laptop: Asus ROG Zephryus G15 Ryzen 7 4800HS, GTX1660Ti, 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz, 512GB nVME, 144hz NAS: QNAP TS-451 6TB Ironwolf Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, Kilrah said: LTT made several comparison videos and the conclusion was always that a good beefy air cooler was typically cooler and quieter than an aio. These test comparisons are generally done in test benches not actual cases. When you take into account case airflow (especially in smaller cases) I would bet AIOs generally outperform the beefy air coolers. That’s is unless the air cooler is in a well ventilated case. This sadly is becoming rarer as companies try to throw tempered glass on every side of the computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 This topic has been brought up repeatedly for like a decade lol, at the end of the day it always boils down to so many variables such as your case layout and most of all your own preference. Personally, I just dislike the look of AIOs and prefer an air cooler. "Rawr XD" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 Author 2 minutes ago, Statik said: A high quality air cooler rival high quality AIOs. For example an ND-D15 will perform quieter, and basically the same as an H115i. And the temperature difference between a 240mm AIO like the H115i, and a 360mm AIO is slim to none. EDIT: This is coming from someone who prefers AIOs and water cooling. 1 minute ago, Sorenson said: These test comparisons are generally done in test benches not actual cases. When you take into account case airflow (especially in smaller cases) I would bet AIOs generally outperform the beefy air coolers. That’s is unless the air cooler is in a well ventilated case. This sadly is becoming rarer as companies try to throw tempered glass on every side of the computer. I'm about to build myself a 3700x/3900x workstation slash gaming rig. It's gonna on full load most of the time and also I'm gonna oc it. Money isn't a fact, my question is how much higher does a good aio run compared to a good air cooler at the highest load scenario? If a good aio is costly but can beat a good air cooler,i'm going for it and vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sorenson said: When you take into account case airflow (especially in smaller cases) I would bet AIOs generally outperform the beefy air coolers. That’s is unless the air cooler is in a well ventilated case An AIO needs a well ventilated case just as much as an air cooler. All the air that goes through the rad goes through the case as well (setting aside unconventional cases/builds obviously). F@H Desktop: i9-13900K, ASUS Z790-E, 64GB DDR5-6000 CL36, RTX3080, 2TB MP600 Pro XT, 2TB SX8200Pro, 2x16TB Ironwolf RAID0, Corsair HX1200, Antec Vortex 360 AIO, Thermaltake Versa H25 TG, Samsung 4K curved 49" TV, 23" secondary, Mountain Everest Max Mobile SFF rig: i9-9900K, Noctua NH-L9i, Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX-AC, 32GB, GTX1070, 2x1TB SX8200Pro RAID0, 2x5TB 2.5" HDD RAID0, Athena 500W Flex (Noctua fan), Custom 4.7l 3D printed case Asus Zenbook UM325UA, Ryzen 7 5700u, 16GB, 1TB, OLED GPD Win 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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