WHY do I pay Adobe $10K a YEAR!?

[jasonvp]

17 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I took a look into it, and the Mac Mini is...all right, but it only comes out to about $500 cheaper than a 16" MBP.

The iMac comes in considerably more expensive at $600 more.

Unlike what the previous poster said about there being "no such thing" as a 13" MBP, that's... an interesting opinion.  Factually, it's incorrect, and we're not entitled to our own facts.   An included discrete GPU does not the Pro make.  The naming from Apple is all that matters in this case.

 

Now, with that out of the way, the iGPU in the new MBP 13" they just announced today may be able to handle what you're after.  It's worth considering, at least.

[FmPhenom]

16 hours ago, comander said:

The proportion of jobs paying in the top 2% overall for the nation is much higher in silicon valley. 

 

I.e. my room mate is 25 and makes 350k a year.

 

If I went to the middle of nowhere in say Texas, my living costs would go down by $5000-10000 but I would expect my pay to be 100,0000-200,000 lower. 

This might change in a post-COVID19 world but here and now if you want top pay you're almost always required to move. I literally had no choice on location when I accepted my offer... and I lived 3 miles from one of the company's offices... nope, several hundred mile move. 

Why the f*** does someone making 350k a year have a "room mate"? Is that code or something?

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, jasonvp said:

Unlike what the previous poster said about there being "no such thing" as a 13" MBP, that's... an interesting opinion.  Factually, it's incorrect, and we're not entitled to our own facts.   An included discrete GPU does not the Pro make.  The naming from Apple is all that matters in this case.

 

Now, with that out of the way, the iGPU in the new MBP 13" they just announced today may be able to handle what you're after.  It's worth considering, at least.

Unfortunately the 13" only comes with a quad core processor, so it's drastically down in performance for not all that great of a savings.

 

20 minutes ago, FmPhenom said:

Why the f*** does someone making 350k a year have a "room mate"? Is that code or something?

Some people just like having the companionship. Or, they're cheap as fuck.

[FmPhenom]

7 minutes ago, dizmo said:

 

 

Some people just like having the companionship. Or, they're cheap as fuck.

I guess that's why linus is bitching in the video about paying to use software tools that makes him money...……….

[dizmo]

19 minutes ago, FmPhenom said:

I guess that's why linus is bitching in the video about paying to use software tools that makes him money...……….

We have a winner.

[GDRRiley]

28 minutes ago, FmPhenom said:

I guess that's why linus is bitching in the video about paying to use software tools that makes him money...……….

it was about questioning if they or some other people should be paying for it. He clearly isn't cheap.

 

9 hours ago, dizmo said:

I don't think a Mac Mini is going to have anywhere near the power of a Macbook Pro. Probably, but Final Cut runs insanely efficiently on a Mac. Beating most programs for render times etc. She already has one of my old cameras, and she doesn't really need lights as she does mostly car stuff.

it is going to have as much as a macbook pro with no GPU.

[dizmo]

26 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

it is going to have as much as a macbook pro with no GPU.

Yeah, but price wise it just doesn't make sense.

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Yeah, but price wise it just doesn't make sense.

1300$ gets you a 1tb SSD a 6 core that won't throttle and 8gb of ram easy to upgrade to 16 or 32. 70$ less if you know someone in college. (refurbished 1tb and 16gb of ram is the same)

iMacs also can make lots of sense, the 27in top of the line is much faster than a base model 16in for around the same price.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

1300$ gets you a 1tb SSD a 6 core that won't throttle and 8gb of ram easy to upgrade to 16 or 32. 70$ less if you know someone in college. (refurbished 1tb and 16gb of ram is the same)

iMacs also can make lots of sense, the 27in top of the line is much faster than a base model 16in for around the same price.

I live in Canada. So, the 6c/16GB/1TB/ Mac Mini is $2,200 ($1,699 in the US). However, it's $3,100 once you factor in quality peripherals.

The 27" i9/16GB/1TB iMac is $4,100.

The MBP i9/16GB/1TB is $3,500.

[caincha]

15 hours ago, jasonvp said:

Unlike what the previous poster said about there being "no such thing" as a 13" MBP, that's... an interesting opinion.  Factually, it's incorrect, and we're not entitled to our own facts.   An included discrete GPU does not the Pro make.  The naming from Apple is all that matters in this case.

 

Now, with that out of the way, the iGPU in the new MBP 13" they just announced today may be able to handle what you're after.  It's worth considering, at least.

So what you're saying is that the earbuds pro are professional grade that could compete with Sennheiser (or whatever is the standard today) just because Apple threw a 'pro' in the name…? Nah you can't have a laptop with integrated graphics and expect it to do good video rendering like a laptop with dedicated graphics so nope it ain't a pro

[caincha]

18 hours ago, jasonvp said:

My ultimate recommendation, for what little I matter, is that folks should spend the time to migrate as much as they can away from Adobe.  Definitely more so if you're on a Mac, but even if you're on Windows.  As NLEs go, Resolve is just superb.  Its vastly more efficient in every measurable manner than Premiere Pro is (or ever likely will be).  Audio editors, effects editors, and page layout editors are a bit harder to settle on, and going back and forth between those apps versus using Adobe's dynamic linking is a time sink.  But I'll wager that once you get a process and workflow set up, you'll be able to overcome that hurdle.

 

I think LMG should set it as a long-term corporate goal to be Adobe-free.  Perhaps by the end of 2020, or sometime into 2021.

That I agree. If you read my previous post on that matter you'll see I was mentioning the video that LMG 'compares' Premiere with Final Cut and that was my point.

That being said LMG seems quite stagnant when changes are necessary… They're hardware focused and, you know, gamers! for whatever it means… 

[caincha]

11 hours ago, dizmo said:

The 27" i9/16GB/1TB iMac is $4,100.

The MBP i9/16GB/1TB is $3,500.

I would argue that the 27" gives you more upgrade options (if you're tech-savvy and could do it yourself) plus a HUGE 27" high-res display that would be immensely useful fo image editing (video or pictures). 

You won't be able to carry around in a bag though but I would also argue that it probably won't be dropped and definitely will not get liquid damaged - not by accident anyway

 

But yeah at the end of the day it's all about personal preferences. Except the 13" being 'pro' - no not with just an iGPU it ain't 

[jasonvp]

1 hour ago, caincha said:

So what you're saying is that the earbuds pro are professional grade that could compete with Sennheiser (or whatever is the standard today) just because Apple threw a 'pro' in the name…? Nah you can't have a laptop with integrated graphics and expect it to do good video rendering like a laptop with dedicated graphics so nope it ain't a pro

How you define "Pro" and how Apple does are two different things.  As a Professional network architect, I could absolutely and 100% do my job with a laptop that only had an iGPU.  I think your view of professional is a bit myopic here.

 

[caincha]

26 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

How you define "Pro" and how Apple does are two different things.  As a Professional network architect, I could absolutely and 100% do my job with a laptop that only had an iGPU.  I think your view of professional is a bit myopic here.

 

You could probably do it with a 2010 laptop then -or basically any laptop at all.

Same way a professional writer could do some great work using a netbook.

Would you call that a netbook pro?

 

I think you're the one a bit tunnel-focused on your own profession to realise that most pros who would by Apple are doing so to work with media: video/photo/audio editing which is what made Apple known in the biz.

 

So it's not that a pro writer could do his job using an iPad but can ANY pro use that tool therefore justifying it's nomenclature as 'pro' or should they market it to 'pro writers' or 'pro office' or 'pro network architect' and so on? If they call it a 'pro' it's for all pros not just the ones with lower demanding hardwares (I'm sleepy don;t know if that last sentence made sense but I'm done arguing this anyway - seems moot  )

[jasonvp]

Just now, caincha said:

I think you're the one a bit tunnel-focused on your own profession to realise that most pros who would by Apple are doing so to work with media: video/photo/audio editing which is what made Apple known in the biz.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.  "Most pros"?  Do you have the faintest idea of how many Macbook Pros Apple currently sells to non-media companies?  Geeks and engineers love using Macbook Pros because of the instant access to the BSD CLI.  Five of the last 6 companies I worked for all provided Macbook Pros to their employees; all of which were systems engineers, programmers, network guys, etc.

[dizmo]

7 hours ago, caincha said:

I would argue that the 27" gives you more upgrade options (if you're tech-savvy and could do it yourself) plus a HUGE 27" high-res display that would be immensely useful fo image editing (video or pictures). 

You won't be able to carry around in a bag though but I would also argue that it probably won't be dropped and definitely will not get liquid damaged - not by accident anyway

 

But yeah at the end of the day it's all about personal preferences. Except the 13" being 'pro' - no not with just an iGPU it ain't 

Haha yeah, not interested in upgrades, she wouldn't be doing that herself and it would probably void any kind of Apple warranty.

 

[spartaman64]

On 5/2/2020 at 4:07 PM, Streetguru said:

CS2 photoshop works fine

 

On 5/2/2020 at 4:08 PM, GDRRiley said:

photoshop may do okay but good luck with older versions of PP and AE both will crash and struggle to do any 8k work.

 

[GDRRiley]

5 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

 

oh god 2015 was so bad.

[TerraCraft64]

 

dAtS wHy I pIrAtE!!!

[brandoncool32]

On 5/2/2020 at 12:13 PM, RILEYISMYNAME said:

It's ridiculous. Can we make our videos without touching a SINGLE Adobe Product?

 

Apps we used:

Kyno: https://lesspain.software/kyno/

Davinci Resolve / Fusion / Fairlight: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/

Affinity Photo: https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/

 

 

 

 

 

gimp, getpaint.NET ,Inkscape(vector) are 100% free image editors

[mmaridev]

One question here for @LinusTech: have you ever thought of what a $10k contribution could bring to the development of an OSS? Lightworks or other projects trying to build a professional open source video editing software. Just curious.

[Kilrah]

48 minutes ago, mmaridev said:

One question here for @LinusTech: have you ever thought of what a $10k contribution could bring to the development of an OSS? Lightworks or other projects trying to build a professional open source video editing software. Just curious.

Would depend on the project, but usually pretty much nothing. It'll support the devs going at their pace towards the goal they've set themselves for a while, but not do anything towards ensuring you'll end up being able to use it for your purposes.

[mmaridev]

On 11/14/2021 at 4:11 PM, Kilrah said:

Would depend on the project, but usually pretty much nothing. It'll support the devs going at their pace towards the goal they've set themselves for a while, but not do anything towards ensuring you'll end up being able to use it for your purposes.

Wait, I'm not talking of donating the money but putting it into the ecosystem. See LibreOffice as example: you can pay a member of the ecosystem in order to get support or development of features you need.

[tikker]

16 minutes ago, mmaridev said:

Wait, I'm not talking of donating the money but putting it into the ecosystem. See LibreOffice as example: you can pay a member of the ecosystem in order to get support or development of features you need.

It's undoubtedly pointed out, but a major part of the problem is that, for better or for worse, standards have been set. it will take an immense, immense amount of effort (and money) to convince the studios, professionals, users etc. using these standards now that the open-source software is a better option than what they currently have, "It's open source" is not an argument that'll convince many to ditch their current workflow and re-implement it using the new software at the moment. It also doesn't help that e.g. LibreOffice (in my opinion) still just doesn't cut it until the world decides on a universally compatible format (which will probably never happen).

[Kilrah]

2 hours ago, mmaridev said:

Wait, I'm not talking of donating the money but putting it into the ecosystem. See LibreOffice as example: you can pay a member of the ecosystem in order to get support or development of features you need.

I get that, my point is that the open software offerings in that field aren't at the stage of "implement that one small missing feature" that you might be able to get for $10K, but more like "major overhaul that'll take 10 people a year" to be really competitive. That is supposing you manage to get people to actually agree that the required changes are what they should be doing.