Let's settle this once and for all! Is a hot dog a sandwich?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Is a hot dog a sandwich? What about a burger? Is a ice cream sandwich technically a sandwich as it doesn't have bread in it? What even is "bread" - does brioche count?

 

All this and more in this thread, maybe

[Dissitesuxba11s]

From Merriam-Webster:

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Definition: frankfurter; especially : a frankfurter heated and served in a long split roll

The word hot dog refers either to the sausage that you buy squeezed in a plastic package with 7 or so of its kind, or to the same sausage heated and served in a long split roll.

When it's served in the roll, it's also a sandwich.

We know: the idea that a hot dog is a sandwich is heresy to some of you. But given that the definition of sandwich is "two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in between," there is no sensible way around it. If you want a meatball sandwich on a split roll to be a kind of sandwich, then you have to accept that a hot dog is also a kind of sandwich.

You could hinge your anti-hot-dog-as-sandwich argument on whether the hot dog sausage qualifies as a "filling," but if you choose to interpret filling narrowly as only "a food mixtureused to fill pastry or sandwiches," rather than broadly as "something used to fill a cavity, container, or depression," then you're not going to allow any single-item filling to qualify a food item as a sandwich—which means there can be no thing as a peanut butter sandwich or a bologna (or even baloney) sandwich.

Hence, a hot dog is a sandwich.

 

If we use the definition that I bolded, then would that mean that a taco is also a sandwich?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

26 minutes ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

From Merriam-Webster:

 

If we use the definition that I bolded, then would that mean that a taco is also a sandwich?

But see, the definition is "two or more pieces of bread" but a hot dog bun is a continuous bread thing. The same goes for tacos I think

[jiyeon]

1 minute ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

But see, the definition is "two or more pieces of bread" but a hot dog bun is a continuous bread thing. The same goes for tacos I think

Here in the UK (Scotland for sure) we have a bacon butty which is basically a burger bun cut in half with filling in the middle. I would say it's still a sandwich despite the bread being continuous.

 

[Dissitesuxba11s]

1 minute ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

But see, the definition is "two or more pieces of bread" but a hot dog bun is a continuous bread thing. The same goes for tacos I think

They also consider a split-roll as a qualifying option, so po' boys and subs are still considered sandwiches.

[minibois]

8 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

But see, the definition is "two or more pieces of bread" but a hot dog bun is a continuous bread thing. The same goes for tacos I think

So if you cut the bun a little further, it's two pieces.. So at that point it is a sandwich?

 

Anyways, I think it's a sandwich by definition, but you wouldn't refer to it like so in practice. Just like a hamburger isn't a sandwich either; even if it has the properties of one.

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Knowledge is knowing tomato is a fruit,

Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.

 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Should a sandwich need to be square- or round-ish? Because that would eliminate hot dogs but also some subs

[Blademaster91]

No, a hot dog is a hot dog.

But is pizza an open faced sandwich?

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

No, a hot dog is a hot dog.

But is pizza an open faced sandwich?

No, obviously not, it's pizza. An "open face sandwich" is a contradiction in terms anyway

[Dissitesuxba11s]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

But is pizza an open faced sandwich?

No, a pizza is a vegetable. Just ask the US Congress.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Why the heck does anyone even care? It's like the old question, "Which came first: the chicken or the egg?" There is no one answer. Not to mention that languages, especially a bastard language language like English, which devolved from several other languages, tend to lose the original definitions of many words over time for various reasons, usually due to ignorance.

 

Look at awful. It originally meant someone or something who was viewed as being awed by people and was a term of respect and wonderment. Now it means something that is terrible.

 

Factoid has changed in recent times. It originally meant a false statement or small piece of misinformation presented as being a true fact. In roughly forty years or so of time, it's definition has completely reversed from the meaning intended by the person who first coined it.

 

Enervate is another one. It means to deplete someone of physical or mental energy. Now people use it as giving energy.

 

One the computer industry has abused is the initialism RMA. It stands for Material Return Authorization and originally was used as a noun, not a verb. It was a document and/or reference number that was used with a product that was being returned to the vendor or manufacturer to enable the recipient to know why the product was being returned and that the return had been authorized by the recipient. The act of returning the product was called a return. Before retiring the first time, I worked 30 years in warehousing, which included frequent, extended stints in shipping and receiving, and at no time was RMA was used as a verb like it is now. 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

1 minute ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

No, a pizza is a vegetable. Just ask the US Congress.

Are you kidding me? The U.S. Congress doesn't know its collective backsides from holes in the ground and can't agree on anything.

[minibois]

5 minutes ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

Should a sandwich need to be square- or round-ish? Because that would eliminate hot dogs but also some subs

That's just introducing arbitrary rules into the mix. Bread can be made in whatever way, including a rounded, square, or even a mix of both (cylinder) way.

1 minute ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

No, obviously not, it's pizza. An "open face sandwich" is a contradiction in terms anyway

Are Calzones a sandwhich? Piece of dough (that's basically bread) with stuff inside (including stuff you could put on a sandwhich like cheese, tomato and peppers).

It's also actually 'closed'. If that doesn't count, you could only count sliced bread pieces. That however would be another arbitrary rule..

 

 

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

15 minutes ago, minibois said:

That's just introducing arbitrary rules into the mix. Bread can be made in whatever way, including a rounded, square, or even a mix of both (cylinder) way.

Are Calzones a sandwhich? Piece of dough (that's basically bread) with stuff inside (including stuff you could put on a sandwhich like cheese, tomato and peppers).

It's also actually 'closed'. If that doesn't count, you could only count sliced bread pieces. That however would be another arbitrary rule..

 

 

I'd argue that a calzone isn't a sandwich because the bread wraps all the way around, making it more akin to a burrito

[minibois]

Just now, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

I'd argue that a calzone isn't a sandwich because the bread wraps all the way around, making it more akin to a burrito

So if I get a bun and do not cut it all the way around, but only say.. 75% around.. Can I not consider that a sandwich anymore? What is the cutoff-point?

Also, burritos are more akin to pancakes (Dutch pancakes/crepes) than calzones, since they do not actually close up

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

42 minutes ago, minibois said:

So if I get a bun and do not cut it all the way around, but only say.. 75% around.. Can I not consider that a sandwich anymore? What is the cutoff-point?

Also, burritos are more akin to pancakes (Dutch pancakes/crepes) than calzones, since they do not actually close up

Whatever the case may be with burritoes, your point about the 75% around bun is worth addressing; If you consider a hot dog a sandwich, then it is, but i'd argue that it isn't personally

[Silentprototipe]

No, Since its served in a bun if it happens to break it still doesnt make it a sandwich. It originally was a single piece of bread and thus not a sandwich 

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

From Merriam-Webster:

 

If we use the definition that I bolded, then would that mean that a taco is also a sandwich?

A taco doesn’t use bread or a roll, ergo no, it isn’t a sandwich. 

1 hour ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

But see, the definition is "two or more pieces of bread" but a hot dog bun is a continuous bread thing. The same goes for tacos I think

You’re ignoring part of the definition which includes a split roll (of which a hot dog bun is). 

 

The simple fact is yes, technically a hot dog is a sandwich. So is a hamburger. 

 

In daily practice, few people refer to them as such though. 

[Flying Sausages]

I would like to order 2 hotdogs, one coke, and one large french fries, and to go. Thank you.

[Rohith_Kumar_Sp]

idk, we don't have hot dogs here 

[TVwazhere]

This really should have a Poll....

I'm in camp Not a Sandwich

[Dissitesuxba11s]

55 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

A taco doesn’t use bread or a roll, ergo no, it isn’t a sandwich.

I was just being a bit facetious but I agree.

[Murasaki]

In my mind "sandwich" just means a food item stuck between bread so logically a hotdog would be a sandwich yes.

[John_Trollinski]

yes it is a sandwich. It is basically two pieces of bread connected.

[Tristerin]

It can be.  Its a hotdog, until you cut two down the middle of the length and create 4 half moon hot dogs on 2 pieces of bread.

 

Hotdog buns are not Sandwich bread /s

 

Time to take a stand.