YouTube - Bad Comments Can Demonetize Your Video

[imreloadin]

26 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Guys! Can you please stop blaming youtube for actions advertisers are MAKING it do?

I will when they stop putting that obligation on creators. They obviously have an algorithm for finding these comments so it wouldn't be very difficult to modify the system to just remove those comments...but nooooooo let's just demonetize entire videos instead.

[duncannah]

Good, hopefully this will keep the problematic ones in check.

[harryk]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Guys! Can you please stop blaming youtube for actions advertisers are MAKING it do?

Except Youtube is in a very key, and very powerful position. Essentially I'm frustrated they aren't taking a stronger stance. Being an 'open' platform which will host controversial content, there will always be a battle between Youtube and those who are buying ad spots. Rather than bend to the advertisers whims, they could've drawn a line in the sand and said 'hey, you can buy ad spots but let us determine the best way to serve them and manage the community'. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect the Youtube market is too big for the advertising industry to just ignore.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, duncannah said:

Good, hopefully this will keep the problematic ones in check.

It won't.

 

It'll just demonetize more videos.

[duncannah]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

It'll just demonetize more videos.

That's how you keep them in check

[Drak3]

6 minutes ago, duncannah said:

That's how you keep them in check

That's not going to stop these commenters, it's just going to incentivize them.

[TetraSky]

Fully expect to see a lot of channels outright disabling comments... or heavily filter them out.

All because parents are unable to monitor what their kids upload to youtube. 

 

And so, once again, the majority is punished because of the few.

[duncannah]

Just now, Drak3 said:

That's not going to stop these commenters, it's just going to incentivize them.

Uploaders have control over the comments, so having them accountable for the comments makes sense. People are clearly overreacting about this.

[Lurick]

Just now, duncannah said:

Uploaders have control over the comments, so having them accountable for the comments makes sense. People are clearly overreacting about this.

So uploaders now need to constantly police EVERY single comment? And what do you do when you have an army of angry assholes spamming garbage and you're asleep?

[Drak3]

Just now, duncannah said:

Uploaders have control over the comments, so having them accountable for the comments makes sense.

It's extremely unreasonable to hold uploaders accountable for the actions of others.

 

1 minute ago, duncannah said:

People are clearly overreacting about this.

Not really.

[duncannah]

3 minutes ago, Lurick said:

So uploaders now need to constantly police EVERY single comment? And what do you do when you have an army of angry assholes spamming garbage and you're asleep?

The rule is obviously not that strict, y'all forgetting what caused this rule to be created in the first place. If they are too lazy to take action, there's an option to disable the comments.

[Lurick]

Just now, duncannah said:

The rule is obviously not that strict, y'all forgetting what caused this rule to be created in the first place

Sure, maybe not that strict, yet. Advertisers are forcing this and I can see it getting to that point. Yes, what triggered it is disgusting stuff but it's easy to move far beyond just that stuff if YouTube doesn't push back and say they won't go after anyone who has a distasteful comment on their video. For now it's a wait and see how they handle generally distasteful comments going forward.

[imreloadin]

41 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

All because parents are unable to monitor what their kids upload to youtube.

Hell a lot of this is due to parents uploading shit like little kids gymnastic competitions and stuff that can very easily be made sexual.

[Megazero]

28 minutes ago, imreloadin said:

Hell a lot of this is due to parents uploading shit like little kids gymnastic competitions and stuff that can very easily be made sexual.

1 of the example in SidAlpha video on this topic is exactly that lol. A mother upload a video of her kid doing gymnastic, and got demonetized. When she complain to youtube they told her that even if the video itself isnt "bad" if the comment is then the video will get demonetized.

[imreloadin]

2 minutes ago, Megazero said:

1 of the example in SidAlpha video on this topic is exactly that lol. A mother upload a video of her kid doing gymnastic, and got demonetized. When she complain to youtube they told her that even if the video itself isnt "bad" if the comment is then the video will get demonetized.

Was the pennies she was getting from the video being monetized worth complaining? Who the hell watches kids sports (esp gymnastics) on YouTube that isn't some kind of pedo

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 hours ago, imreloadin said:

I will when they stop putting that obligation on creators. They obviously have an algorithm for finding these comments so it wouldn't be very difficult to modify the system to just remove those comments...but nooooooo let's just demonetize entire videos instead.

 

1 hour ago, harryk said:

Except Youtube is in a very key, and very powerful position. Essentially I'm frustrated they aren't taking a stronger stance. Being an 'open' platform which will host controversial content, there will always be a battle between Youtube and those who are buying ad spots. Rather than bend to the advertisers whims, they could've drawn a line in the sand and said 'hey, you can buy ad spots but let us determine the best way to serve them and manage the community'. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect the Youtube market is too big for the advertising industry to just ignore.

 

Because if youtube filtered out the comments they would be supporting Censorship and you'd see the exact same misguided people on this and every other forum bitching them out about it. More people even. We literally saw this in October with Tao being a stupid idiot and thinking his comments were being censored and then making a huge deal about it (turns out they weren't. He just had translation functions on. He also COMPLETELY REFUSED to take back his remarks when they were proven incorrect and demonstratively false.)

 

Even if they are in a position where the company could force advertisers to bend (which newsflash they are not), then the companies turn around and put further pressure on Governments to take legal action against it. Just like what is happening in the EU (and many other places. Like Russia and China. and some parts of the US) right now.

[imreloadin]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Because if youtube filtered out the comments they would be supporting Censorship

Tell me how that is different than disabling comments all together? Mass censorship is still censorship. If they're going to do it might as well use a scalpel instead of a chainsaw.

[crystal6tak]

2 hours ago, duncannah said:

Uploaders have control over the comments, so having them accountable for the comments makes sense. People are clearly overreacting about this.

What control? Does Youtube have an automatic system which flags bad comments for creators to take actions on them (e.g. Hide automatically and wait for approval)? As far as I'm aware this system doesn't exist.

 

The only viable control is outright disabling comments, reviewing every single comment individually to remove/report/hide is impossible for any big channels.

 

All the changes do is screw over content creator by having their videos demonetized over comments they can't control, and commentors ability to maliciously abuse the system to get videos demonetized.

 

Regular viewers lose as more channel chooses to disable comments, limiting our voice. Content creators loses as disabling comment section will likely drive viewers away. The only winners are trolls/haters for having a system they can abuse, and Youtube for getting more money by not having to pay creators and making the platform more attractive to advertiser.

 

I'd say our reaction is justified.

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[duncannah]

21 minutes ago, crystal6tak said:

What control? Does Youtube have an automatic system which flags bad comments for creators to take actions on them (e.g. Hide automatically and wait for approval)? As far as I'm aware this system doesn't exist.

Yes, this does exist:

 

They also have the option to block specific words and URLs:

 

Since they have control, they have responsibility.

[williamcll]

Bots and script writers will have a lot of fun.

I would also imagine a lot of corporate channels disabling comments.

 

Would be even funnier if youtube's own videos get demonitized.

[Unclescar]

On 2/22/2019 at 8:15 AM, ReggieGRS said:

Lets protest by wearing Make Youtube Great Again hats!

That might get you punched in the face by "champions of tolerance"

[CTR640]

Oh yeah! Lets demonetize clickbaits videos!

[yian88]

On 2/22/2019 at 4:33 PM, Minibois said:

*Audible gasp*
I can demonetize YouTube channels I hate?! This is better than the dislike button!

Finally, my curse vocabulary is helpful! I'm gonna post 'frick' everywhere!

This is a an even better idea than YouTube Heroes!

False, youtube will ignore radical left channels they will only demonetize anyone who doesnt agree with PC culture and radical silicon valley censorship.

So no this new measure youtube is implementing is to further oppress  people politically so they dont have an opinion.

People are so naive...

[Princess Twilight Sparkle]

Sounds like Google should hire teams of people to monitor comments.