Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Mira Yurizaki said: I don't really care for what the EU says or doesn't say, considering they've let Apple get away with all this crap that they'll fine anyone not Apple for and they command a non-trivial amount of the market share. You don't care that's great. Neither the EU nor the US would approve this. I was granting his hypothetical to explain it wouldnt work ANYWAYS. Intel and AMD would care what the EU says if they want to not get literally rekt. The US isnt the only country in the world you know? MOAR COARS: 5GHz "Confirmed" Black Edition™ The Build AMD 5950X 4.7/4.6GHz All Core Dynamic OC + 1900MHz FCLK | 5GHz+ PBO | ASUS X570 Dark Hero | 32 GB 3800MHz 14-15-15-30-48-1T GDM 8GBx4 | PowerColor AMD Radeon 6900 XT Liquid Devil @ 2700MHz Core + 2130MHz Mem | 2x 480mm Rad | 8x Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-PS Black Edition 120mm PWM | Thermaltake Core P5 TG Ti + Additional 3D Printed Rad Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Author 3 minutes ago, System32.exe said: What? Pretty sure AMD went fabless years ago when they spun off GloFo. "Real men have their own fabs" I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Donut417 said: WHY? AMD was originally a second source for Intel Chips back in the day. Then they started doing their own. But for the most part Intel and AMD pretty much just do some the product. I mean yeah there are slight difference in performance and capabilities, but does AMD really stand out that much? The only thing I could see is Intel possibly buying Radeon Group, as Intel has shown interest in getting in to GPU's. Not to mention a merger like this wont get past the DOJ, FCC, FTC, or possibly even congress if they have any powers in the matter. I mean look at the hard time TMobile is having with the Sprint merger. AMD and Intel chips aren't that different? What on earth are you talking about? Intel has 10nm, AMD has 7, AMD buys from TSMC while Intel makes their own fabs, their architectures are DRASTICALLY different, they operate on different chipsets and sockets, AMD has physically larger chips with Threadripper, AMD uses Infinity Fabric.... The list goes on. "uhhhhhhhhhh yeah id go with the 2600 its a good value for the money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 2020: Intel buys AMD 2022: Apple buys Intel 2025: Apple CPUs will only work with Apple's own motherboard lineup, dooming the boards manufacturers 2028: The era of PC enthusiasts has came to an end, the remaining survivors struggle to browse the internet using ancient components, a new era of darkness has begun. 2037: Disney buys Apple and transforms it into a quadrillion dollar console manufacturer, gaming as we know it has ended. ASUS X470-PRO • R7 1700 4GHz • Corsair H110i GT P/P • 2x MSI RX 480 8G • Corsair DP 2x8 @3466 • EVGA 750 G2 • Corsair 730T • Crucial MX500 250GB • WD 4TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 32 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said: Imagine if only verizon and AT&T existed as telecoms and then verizon went to acquire AT&T. That situation is actually more likely than this by a long shot. But that could happen in Kenya or Nigeria, goes to my point before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, 2SidedPolygon said: AMD and Intel chips aren't that different? What on earth are you talking about? Intel has 10nm, AMD has 7, AMD buys from TSMC while Intel makes their own fabs, their architectures are DRASTICALLY different, they operate on different chipsets and sockets, AMD has physically larger chips with Threadripper, AMD uses Infinity Fabric.... The list goes on. Im not talking tech specs. They both do x86, they both do x64. Does it matter if you run Intel or AMD when installing Windows? Games? Other software? NO, so they are not that different. They are both multicore, have some form of hyper threading and in some cases have Integrated GPU's. They are comparable products. THe only difference is AMD has radeon group, which would be the only thing Intel might want. I just want to sit back and watch the world burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, Donut417 said: Im not talking tech specs. They both do x86, they both do x64. Does it matter if you run Intel or AMD when installing Windows? Games? Other software? NO, so they are not that different. They are both multicore, have some form of hyper threading and in some cases have Integrated GPU's. They are comparable products. THe only difference is AMD has radeon group, which would be the only thing Intel might want. They've already gotten the big players in Radeon Group. That'd be a pretty weird move if they were just going to buy the whole damn division anyway. "uhhhhhhhhhh yeah id go with the 2600 its a good value for the money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, Donut417 said: They both do x86, they both do x64. Does it matter if you run Intel or AMD when installing Windows? Games? Other software? NO, so they are not that different. To be fair, achieving the same thing versus being the same thing is pretty different. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 How did the story go with Intel and AMD a long long time ago. Did not Intel lease something to AMD like graphics or something and thats how AMD got its start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Author 1 minute ago, Canada EH said: How did the story go with Intel and AMD a long long time ago. Did not Intel lease something to AMD like graphics or something and thats how AMD got its start. Actually, AMD licenses x86-64 to Intel. Although, pre that I'm not certain if that's what you mean. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, fasauceome said: Actually, AMD licenses x86-64 to Intel. Although, pre that I'm not certain if that's what you mean. Yeaup something like that, which way dont matter but I can atleast google it now. 2015 article, first paragraph https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/amd-x86-license-agreement-with-intel-cannot-block-our-merger-or-acquisition/ Quote cross-license pact with Intel Corp. Many industry observers believe that a bigger company cannot acquire AMD since this will terminate the deal with Intel and will leave AMD without an x86 license immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Today in "This ain't happening". This would be illegal in the US and EU because it means that Intel would have a monopoly on the CPU market. No way in hell would the regulators in the US and EU be okay with one company controlling 100% of the CPU market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Makes sense IF you the stories are true that Intel are ATM making new GPU to contend with AMD and Nvidia in the next few years. Eliminate one rival. Just leaves green team. No more Red And Green, turned into Blue And Green. Of course my personal option. Bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tristerin said: @fasauceome there are TONS of monopolies in your life, power company, water company, Wal Mart, just to name a quick few. Its what they do that makes it illegal, after they are the monopoly. Walmart's not a monopoly, and the other ones you mention are quintessential natural monopolies subject to strict regulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said: Intel isnt going to want to pay $5 billion. But here's the thing, they wouldnt be fined they would be denied from purchasing AMD's global holdings. 5 billion for " The European Commission says Google has abused its Android market dominance in three key areas. Google has been bundling its search engine and Chrome apps into the operating system. Google has also blocked phone makers from creating devices that run forked versions of Android, and it “made payments to certain large manufacturers and mobile network operators” to exclusively bundle the Google search app on handsets. " You dont bankrupt a company for doing shit like that, $5 billion is pretty fair It wouldn't be allowed to happen, except for AMD's graphics division I doubt that Intel has much interest in buying out AMD. And since the EU can fine Google $5 billion for bundling their search engine and Chrome, no a complete buyout making Intel a monopoly would be definitely be stopped by the both the US and EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Not gonna happen. Specs: CPU - Intel i7 8700K @ 5GHz | GPU - Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming | Motherboard - ASUS Strix Z370-G WIFI AC | RAM - XPG Gammix DDR4-3000MHz 32GB (2x16GB) | Main Drive - Samsung 850 Evo 500GB M.2 | Other Drives - 7TB/3 Drives | CPU Cooler - Corsair H100i Pro | Case - Fractal Design Define C Mini TG | Power Supply - EVGA G3 850W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Nowak said: Today in "This ain't happening". This would be illegal in the US and EU because it means that Intel would have a monopoly on the CPU market. No way in hell would the regulators in the US and EU be okay with one company controlling 100% of the CPU market. There are precedents for monopolies like these and not much is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 In case people were curious, here is the EETimes article that HotHardware based theirs off of: https://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1334179 This article is more focused on the perceived lack of showing from Intel at CES vs a stronger showing from AMD and the idea that Intel without a strong CEO may be interested in trying to acquire AMD's CEO... A couple of key sentences in the article: Quote Asked about the potential of an Intel-AMD merger, Krewell told us to “file it under fiction.” He noted, “It would give Intel complete dominance of PCs and servers and be considered anticompetitive.” Jon Peddie, President of Jon Peddie Research, also told us, “Not in a million trillion light years.” Both noted that the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC) would never allow it. However, one CEO who teased the Intel-AMD deal begged to differ. “The semiconductor market today is no longer limited to CPUs for PCs,” he said. With Nvidia’s strength in GPUs for AIs and data centers, the Intel vs. AMD duo play is no longer monopolizing the market. ... Kathleen Maher, vice president at Jon Peddie Research and the editor-in-chief of JPR's TechWatch Report, told us, “Obviously, the idea of Intel acquiring AMD is something that bubbles up from time to time, as does the idea of Nvidia acquiring AMD. But in that [latter] case, forget the FTC, Europe would have a cow (or whatever).” However, even those who don’t buy the Intel-AMD rumor are open to the suggestion that Intel wants Lisa Su more than it wants AMD. ... The Intel-AMD merger rumor that swirled among C-level executives at CES might be just the predictable tech speculation that happens when industry types gather. But one thing’s for sure: CES last week put the weakening of Intel in plain sight, for everyone to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said: Google $5 billion I doubt that will be paid anytime soon. Will take 10-20 yrs before its settled, even then they wouldnt bring out their wad and pay in full. If they were smart, just $100k every month. I've done that with traffic fines and such, $10/m for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, S w a t s o n said: You don't care that's great. Neither the EU nor the US would approve this. I was granting his hypothetical to explain it wouldnt work ANYWAYS. Intel and AMD would care what the EU says if they want to not get literally rekt. The US isnt the only country in the world you know? 5 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said: It wouldn't be allowed to happen, except for AMD's graphics division I doubt that Intel has much interest in buying out AMD. And since the EU can fine Google $5 billion for bundling their search engine and Chrome, no a complete buyout making Intel a monopoly would be definitely be stopped by the both the US and EU. Whislt I believe this will not happen, I believe it will not happen due to laws in the US, as both companies are US companies. The EU has no authority over such a merger, the best they can do is fine for anti consumer/antitrust cases in the EU if they emerge after the acquisition. Being a company that exclusively provides a service/product is not illegal, even in the EU, but using that position unfairly to prevent other companies from entering the market space is. Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge. Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 I gotta laugh here, its like a bunch of kids in a school yard picking daisies and shooting the shit. LOL I believe No well I believe Hey now come on I believe One article! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, mr moose said: Whislt I believe this will not happen, I believe it will not happen due to laws in the US, as both companies are US companies. The EU has no authority over such a merger, the best they can do is fine for anti consumer/antitrust cases in the EU if they emerge after the acquisition. Being a company that exclusively provides a service/product is not illegal, even in the EU, but using that position unfairly to prevent other companies from entering the market space is. If you want to do business in the EU you need the EU's permission basically. For Intel to absorb AMD's European holdings it would need the EU's blessing for sure. If AMD and intel have any stock on any EU exchange too. I never said it was illegal I said it would be blocked, it 100% would be. Even if it's just because the EU threatens to make intel's life a living hell in the EU region MOAR COARS: 5GHz "Confirmed" Black Edition™ The Build AMD 5950X 4.7/4.6GHz All Core Dynamic OC + 1900MHz FCLK | 5GHz+ PBO | ASUS X570 Dark Hero | 32 GB 3800MHz 14-15-15-30-48-1T GDM 8GBx4 | PowerColor AMD Radeon 6900 XT Liquid Devil @ 2700MHz Core + 2130MHz Mem | 2x 480mm Rad | 8x Blacknoise Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-PS Black Edition 120mm PWM | Thermaltake Core P5 TG Ti + Additional 3D Printed Rad Mount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, mr moose said: The EU has no authority over such a merger, the best they can do is fine for anti consumer/antitrust cases in the EU if they emerge after the acquisition. Yet when Disney was trying to acquire 20th Century Fox they had to pass antitrust approval decisions from Mexico, Brazil, EU Commission, India and China and of course USA. Dunno how that translates to the type of business Intel and AMD do but I just thought I'd throw it into this hypothetical discussion CPU: i7 6950X | Motherboard: Asus Rampage V ed. 10 | RAM: 32 GB Corsair Dominator Platinum Special Edition 3200 MHz (CL14) | GPUs: 2x Asus GTX 1080ti SLI Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1 TB M.2 NVME | PSU: In Win SIV 1065W Cooling: Custom LC 2 x 360mm EK Radiators | EK D5 Pump | EK 250 Reservoir | EK RVE10 Monoblock | EK GPU Blocks & Backplates | Alphacool Fittings & Connectors | Alphacool Glass Tubing Case: In Win Tou 2.0 | Display: Alienware AW3418DW | Sound: Woo Audio WA8 Eclipse + Focal Utopia Headphones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Author 19 minutes ago, Canada EH said: I gotta laugh here, its like a bunch of kids in a school yard picking daisies and shooting the shit. LOL I believe No well I believe Hey now come on I believe One article! You don't have to be a kid in a schoolyard to shoot the shit. I already said, I don't know if this is likely, possible, or realistic, had to ask. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted January 16, 2019 Plot twist: Qualcomm is buying them both /s Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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